Hi Guys.. ok i did my own lil comparison with two vacs... my trusty ol hoover convertible u4411 and i had the privledge to try out a simplicity symmetry for a day.. well.. i was suprised! I put a clean bag in my hoover and vacuumed the whole house with the Simplicity ..took off the Simplicity bag and found it did quite well and picking up dirt that i THOUGHT my hoover left behind. WELL i go back over the same areas and vacuum again with my Convertible and was very suprised to find dust in the new bag i had just put on the convertible.. SO with that being said..Is the Simplicity not as great as said to be or could my Hoover just have been picking up loose fibers the Simplicity left behind? Becuase it was gray in color like dust...it wasnt tons.. but still the bag was dirty... is the Simplicity lacking anything because the guy at the vacuum shop swore by it.. that this would out clean ANY vacuum cleaner and just went on and on.. so that why i brought it home to try out. For such an expensive vacuum you woulda thought it woulda cleaned better? Could it be the design? the simplicity is a clean air bypass motor design, and my convertible a direct air design... any feed back? Hands down im just gonna save my $600 and stick with my trusty old convertible..
HOOVER U4411 vs BRAND NEW SIMPLICITY SYMMETRY
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sebo_fan
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Well if it doesn't have metal beater bars like the good old Hoover, that could well be the answer.
hooverboy81
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Save your $600
The agitator in the Hoover will always out clean anything on the market today.Hoover's "triple action" cleaning principle is simple, yet very efficient. The Convertibles were designed to clean carpets...that's it. No on board tools, hoses, or other nonsense. If you are wanting to keep your rugs clean, stick with the Hoover. I am willing to bet you will have it for the rest of your life, and it will keep beating, sweeping, and cleaning just as it did when it was new!
The agitator in the Hoover will always out clean anything on the market today.Hoover's "triple action" cleaning principle is simple, yet very efficient. The Convertibles were designed to clean carpets...that's it. No on board tools, hoses, or other nonsense. If you are wanting to keep your rugs clean, stick with the Hoover. I am willing to bet you will have it for the rest of your life, and it will keep beating, sweeping, and cleaning just as it did when it was new!
IMHO, Only the Sanitaire/Eureka F&G uprights, Hoover Convertible/Decade/Elite/Legacy/Concept/Innovation uprights, Royal All Metal uprights, Kirby uprights offer excellent agitation, excellent airflow, excellent suction.
Nothing beats a dirty fan upright for cleaning carpets/rugs! 
squarehandle
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Nothing cleans carpet
Like a Hoover Upright, my friend!
Like a Hoover Upright, my friend!
sebo_fan
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The metal bars on my old Senior is the one reason (and of course the style) to why I kept it for so long before donating it to a local school for the staff rooms who now use it constantly whenever the carpets get really dirty. The bars are second to none. Its another reason to why I keep my classic Junior models.
myvacsrock
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Try a Tandem Air machine...You'll find better performance..
I have three tandom air Riccar uprights-the single motor dirty air machines listed above can beat the tandem air uprights-the tandem air machines need to be redesigned-the airpaths in them are too complicated and too many twists and turns-ditch the hose.Put on a bell type floor nozzle-then the tandem air machines could get somewhere-The "Tandem"air machine I use at present is a Kirby Sentria coupled to my NSS M1-you have to run this rig on two outlets-if you try plugging them into one 15A outlet-trips the breaker.Got the idea for my setup from some other Vacuumland members that coupled their Kirbys to a central vacuum system-THAT would also be another tandem air machine.The Riccar-Simplicity machines do perform MUCH better than clean air designs.When I can find my Royal metal upright hose-may try running my newer 10A Royal into the NSS M1.That might be interesting.
durango159
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I've been told that the vacuum cleaner to go last will always win. Granted I believe this is within reason of a decent vac.
I've seen it on many vac sites, youtube videos, etc. that when using a good vacuum cleaner the one to go last will win. It will find something.
What I would try next time is to run the Hoover first and then the Simplicity and see what you get up. Try to remember the previous test and see if you think the Hoover found more after following the Simplicity or if the Simplicity found more after following the Hoover.
I think that Eureka VGII & VG III equipped vacuums, many Riccar, Simplicity, Hoover Convertible/ Decade, Hoover Quadraflex agitators, Kirby and Royal Everlast series are the best deep cleaning vacuums on the market. A few others are excellent as well: Rainbow, Wessell EBK360, Miele SEB236, SEB228, Hoover Elite/ PowerMax style.
From advise I've seen and heard if you took two vacuums with different designed agitators and ran them one following the other, the last one to go would still find some. Granted whether its from design of a different agitator, different CFMs or whatever .
I've seen it on many vac sites, youtube videos, etc. that when using a good vacuum cleaner the one to go last will win. It will find something.
What I would try next time is to run the Hoover first and then the Simplicity and see what you get up. Try to remember the previous test and see if you think the Hoover found more after following the Simplicity or if the Simplicity found more after following the Hoover.
I think that Eureka VGII & VG III equipped vacuums, many Riccar, Simplicity, Hoover Convertible/ Decade, Hoover Quadraflex agitators, Kirby and Royal Everlast series are the best deep cleaning vacuums on the market. A few others are excellent as well: Rainbow, Wessell EBK360, Miele SEB236, SEB228, Hoover Elite/ PowerMax style.
From advise I've seen and heard if you took two vacuums with different designed agitators and ran them one following the other, the last one to go would still find some. Granted whether its from design of a different agitator, different CFMs or whatever .
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and to be honest the hoover didnt pick up TONS of what the simplicity left behind.. it was very minimal.. like maybe what i didnt pick up in one pass.. but thats what confused me too was Riccar/Simplicity have nothing but great reputation..and praise for they're sheer power.. to it i think they're what hoover USED to be. plus i like the face that the riccar/simplicity leaves the same type of track carpet lines as the hoover convertible.. so that was a main selling point to me too. LOL i know its weired but true.
and to be honest the hoover didnt pick up TONS of what the simplicity left behind.. it was very minimal.. like maybe what i didnt pick up in one pass.. but thats what confused me too was Riccar/Simplicity have nothing but great reputation..and praise for they're sheer power.. to it i think they're what hoover USED to be. plus i like the face that the riccar/simplicity leaves the same type of track carpet lines as the hoover convertible.. so that was a main selling point to me too. LOL i know its weired but true.
