Hoover U1012
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seamusuk
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Interesting........
Hey Joe
Im guessing this is UK made?- we had the same model. Another example of Canada having the UK model while the US versions were different, Canada also had the UK Dirtsearcher (headlamp)model 1354A although no Dirtsearchers were ever sold in the US.
You might want to keep an eye on UK Ebay as Junior toolkits appear fairly often
Seamus
Hey Joe
Im guessing this is UK made?- we had the same model. Another example of Canada having the UK model while the US versions were different, Canada also had the UK Dirtsearcher (headlamp)model 1354A although no Dirtsearchers were ever sold in the US.
You might want to keep an eye on UK Ebay as Junior toolkits appear fairly often
Seamus
seamusuk
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My Two.....
The one on the left is very early in the run of this model-Feb 1976, a month into production. The coffee/brown version is fron June 1981 and was a mail order exclusive(making it very rare). The U1012 was replaced as the "national" model in 1978 by the new design flat belt U1036 in Agean Gold.
The one on the left is very early in the run of this model-Feb 1976, a month into production. The coffee/brown version is fron June 1981 and was a mail order exclusive(making it very rare). The U1012 was replaced as the "national" model in 1978 by the new design flat belt U1036 in Agean Gold.
seamusuk
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Top fill....
This system was also used on our U4014 Ranger Senior and all later Juniors.
This system was also used on our U4014 Ranger Senior and all later Juniors.
Yes, I confirmed and the label indicates it was made in Great Britain, not Canada or US. It is 110V so I suppose that the only difference is the motor as it is exactly the same machine as the one on the left in the top picture. I've never seen any others in Canada so I doubt they were sold here for very long or they just didn't ever take off. I tried to find an owners manual on the US Hoover site but could only locate similar older bottom fill models so it doesn't seem it was ever marketed south of the border.
It is actually a solid little machine and it does a great job at cleaning. I can't imagine that a bottom fill design would have worked as well.
I don't anticipate that suction with the tool kit is all that great and it doesn't look like it is that convienient to hook up. It would be handy to have however for corners, chairs & such so thanks for the tip and I'll watch UK Ebay.
It is actually a solid little machine and it does a great job at cleaning. I can't imagine that a bottom fill design would have worked as well.
I don't anticipate that suction with the tool kit is all that great and it doesn't look like it is that convienient to hook up. It would be handy to have however for corners, chairs & such so thanks for the tip and I'll watch UK Ebay.
seamusuk
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Junior tool kits.......
Hey Joe
I didnt have the tool kit handy, but will post a pic later. A converter fits directly onto the fan chamber and the hose attaches to that. Because of the virtually sealed design tool suction is actually BETTER than a rear conversion Convertible, despite the motor being under half the wattage!.
Seamus
Hey Joe
I didnt have the tool kit handy, but will post a pic later. A converter fits directly onto the fan chamber and the hose attaches to that. Because of the virtually sealed design tool suction is actually BETTER than a rear conversion Convertible, despite the motor being under half the wattage!.
Seamus
seamusuk
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Instructions......
With the exception of the top fill tube and a different height adjustor its the same cleaner as the 1346A that preceded it. See the instruction manual section for a scan of the instructions for this
Seamus
With the exception of the top fill tube and a different height adjustor its the same cleaner as the 1346A that preceded it. See the instruction manual section for a scan of the instructions for this
Seamus
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charles~richard
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Top Fill vs. Bottom Fill
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms here, but I am curious: Is there really a dramatic benefit to top-fill vs. bottom-fill?
Not being all that conversant with Hoovers, I ask the question in ignorance. It would seem that it wouldn't really make all that difference -- I mean, either way, the dirt ends up in the same place, doesn't it -- in the bottom of the bag. Or does the top-fill system somehow manage to defy gravity?!
And when you are vacuuming, doesn't the wind pressure blow the dirt up into the bag, I mean, as opposed to its lying in a clump at the bottom where it would clog up the air flow? So I don't see why top or bottom would make much significant difference.
One big advantage I =can= see, from the photo provided (thanks!) is that it looks like the top-fill bag would be easier to change since the plastic "bag neck" (whatever it's called) is at the top rather than at the bottom, so it would be more accessible. And it appears that the top-fill "neck" is larger in diameter. (Or is that an optical illusion?) That would certainly be better, as the air flow would be less restricted.
"Inquiring Minds Want To Know"
I hope I'm not opening a can of worms here, but I am curious: Is there really a dramatic benefit to top-fill vs. bottom-fill?
Not being all that conversant with Hoovers, I ask the question in ignorance. It would seem that it wouldn't really make all that difference -- I mean, either way, the dirt ends up in the same place, doesn't it -- in the bottom of the bag. Or does the top-fill system somehow manage to defy gravity?!
And when you are vacuuming, doesn't the wind pressure blow the dirt up into the bag, I mean, as opposed to its lying in a clump at the bottom where it would clog up the air flow? So I don't see why top or bottom would make much significant difference.
One big advantage I =can= see, from the photo provided (thanks!) is that it looks like the top-fill bag would be easier to change since the plastic "bag neck" (whatever it's called) is at the top rather than at the bottom, so it would be more accessible. And it appears that the top-fill "neck" is larger in diameter. (Or is that an optical illusion?) That would certainly be better, as the air flow would be less restricted.
"Inquiring Minds Want To Know"
seamusuk
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My opinion....
Having used both there dosent appear to be any signifiant performance advantage EXCEPT if you were to really overfill the bag in which case I would have thought the top fill MAY have a slight edge??.
The fill tube is indeed slightly larger in diameter than the bottom fill type.
Charles- as you state the main advantage IMO is the ease of replacing the bag without having a pile of dirt on the floor lol(Juniors dont have a quick release on the outer bag, so you cant easilly detach the whole assembly and turn it upside down like you can on a Senior/Convertible.
Seamus
Having used both there dosent appear to be any signifiant performance advantage EXCEPT if you were to really overfill the bag in which case I would have thought the top fill MAY have a slight edge??.
The fill tube is indeed slightly larger in diameter than the bottom fill type.
Charles- as you state the main advantage IMO is the ease of replacing the bag without having a pile of dirt on the floor lol(Juniors dont have a quick release on the outer bag, so you cant easilly detach the whole assembly and turn it upside down like you can on a Senior/Convertible.
Seamus
constellation86
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My two cents
I have heard that a big reason that Hoover went to top fill is: that when the bottom fill bag is full and the motor is off dirt can fall back down through the fan and onto the floor. With the top fill design there is no way you can tip the machine so that the dirt will fall out.
Nicholas
I have heard that a big reason that Hoover went to top fill is: that when the bottom fill bag is full and the motor is off dirt can fall back down through the fan and onto the floor. With the top fill design there is no way you can tip the machine so that the dirt will fall out.
Nicholas
I believe the theory over the allegedly improved suction on top-fill uprights works thus: On a bottom-fill machine, the dust already in the bag is disturbed whenever the cleaner is switched on - this means that small particles already in the bag are redistributed, and therefore clog the pores of the bag more quickly. On a top fill machine, as soon as dirt is collected, it falls to the bottom of the bag, and stays there. It doesn't get redistibuted so much, so the bag should take longer to clog up.
Nicholas - your two cents make a lot of sense - I always find heavy debris falls from Convertible/Senior type cleaner nozzles if you're not careful. Hoover Juniors tend not to have this problem, as a pipe slopes down to carry the dirt from the fan chamber to the bag, effectively trapping heavier vacuumings (is that a word?). I always change bottom fill bags over a sheet of newspaper, saves having to Hoover up a tiny pile of grit after you've changed the bag!
Hotpoint/Premier got there years before Hoover though - the 1930s Junior model (was that sold in North America at all?) had a top-fill fabric-only bag way back in the 1930s.
Joe, there's a set of Junior tools that can be shipped worldwide on Ebay right now - I've put the link in below. The tools are easy enough to fit - I've put a film of them being attached on youtube (search for Hoover Junior), and it takes about 15 seconds to do so - more work than a Convertible or Dialamatic, but easier than a Hoover 700 and its ilk!
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Vintage-Hoover-J...ryZ20617QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Nicholas - your two cents make a lot of sense - I always find heavy debris falls from Convertible/Senior type cleaner nozzles if you're not careful. Hoover Juniors tend not to have this problem, as a pipe slopes down to carry the dirt from the fan chamber to the bag, effectively trapping heavier vacuumings (is that a word?). I always change bottom fill bags over a sheet of newspaper, saves having to Hoover up a tiny pile of grit after you've changed the bag!
Hotpoint/Premier got there years before Hoover though - the 1930s Junior model (was that sold in North America at all?) had a top-fill fabric-only bag way back in the 1930s.
Joe, there's a set of Junior tools that can be shipped worldwide on Ebay right now - I've put the link in below. The tools are easy enough to fit - I've put a film of them being attached on youtube (search for Hoover Junior), and it takes about 15 seconds to do so - more work than a Convertible or Dialamatic, but easier than a Hoover 700 and its ilk!
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Vintage-Hoover-J...ryZ20617QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Hey Joe,
I had one of those. When my parents convertible from the 60's switch broke, they got rid of it and asked for the gold junior. I always liked using it because I lived in an old victorian home with small rooms. It was easier to manouver around. Where did you find yours?
Guy
I had one of those. When my parents convertible from the 60's switch broke, they got rid of it and asked for the gold junior. I always liked using it because I lived in an old victorian home with small rooms. It was easier to manouver around. Where did you find yours?
Guy
Hello All,
Thanks for the Ebay link. I'll contact the seller and find out what shipping would be. If it doesn't work out I might even see if I can just locate the converter piece and the hose end as I'm sure with those I can rig something together pretty easily.
It looks like from the video that attaching the tools isn't as awkward as I thought it would be and I didn't realize that it worked as a sealed direct connection. It must produce decent suction, at least good enough for general dusting and crevices etc.
The only issue mine has is it doesn't seem like the cover plate comes off as easily. When I need to change the belt, I end up unscrewing the clip as I don't want to force the plate off and risk cracking/breaking it. The clip must be bent or something as the cover really does't want to just snap off.
I'm not as familiar with the bottom fill design so I might have assumed wrong. I guess initially, when the bag is new, there probably wouldn't be that much difference. It does seem like a cleaner system however, as like you've all said, there wouldn't be as much dust blowing around in the bag once it starts to get full.
I actually got the machine at a 2nd hand store a few years ago. It only cost $10 and after I got it home and wiped some of the dust off, it had actually hardly been used at all. Your right about manouverability, I too find it easier to use with small rooms and where there is lots of furniture.
Seamus, thanks much for posting the manual link and the video and Simon, thanks much for the Ebay link again. I appreciate it.
Thanks for the Ebay link. I'll contact the seller and find out what shipping would be. If it doesn't work out I might even see if I can just locate the converter piece and the hose end as I'm sure with those I can rig something together pretty easily.
It looks like from the video that attaching the tools isn't as awkward as I thought it would be and I didn't realize that it worked as a sealed direct connection. It must produce decent suction, at least good enough for general dusting and crevices etc.
The only issue mine has is it doesn't seem like the cover plate comes off as easily. When I need to change the belt, I end up unscrewing the clip as I don't want to force the plate off and risk cracking/breaking it. The clip must be bent or something as the cover really does't want to just snap off.
I'm not as familiar with the bottom fill design so I might have assumed wrong. I guess initially, when the bag is new, there probably wouldn't be that much difference. It does seem like a cleaner system however, as like you've all said, there wouldn't be as much dust blowing around in the bag once it starts to get full.
I actually got the machine at a 2nd hand store a few years ago. It only cost $10 and after I got it home and wiped some of the dust off, it had actually hardly been used at all. Your right about manouverability, I too find it easier to use with small rooms and where there is lots of furniture.
Seamus, thanks much for posting the manual link and the video and Simon, thanks much for the Ebay link again. I appreciate it.
