Hoover Elite 5.0 LE converted to 12amp monster vac

broomvac · Feb 27, 2012

I'm pretty sure these motors were not built to self destruct.

I will also add that I do have a huge respect for safety, so I can relate to your earlier concerns if this mod was performed under different circumstances. But since this is actually a perfectly safe mod in terms of electrical components limits and ratings, I just wanted to let you know before you said even more mislead things to the OP and possibly make him and anyone else nervous about issues that do not exist.

Now as far as the performance of various amperage and fan combinations, that is just something that varies from cleaner to cleaner. But, your statement that leads us to believe that amperage is independent from cleaning performance does seem incorrect in this situation as well as others.

To name another example, compare a 2 amp domestic dial a nap Eureka upright vs a 7 amp Sanitaire. Despite the fact they are virtually the same cleaner, the 2 amp cleaner moves a hell of a lot less air than the 7 amp Sanitaire, and has an equally extreme drop in agitation performance as well. I mean, you can easily stop the whole motor and brushroll assembly in the two amp cleaner with your bare hands, yet if you tried the same with a Sanitaire, you would either break your fingers or burn the belt very quickly, while the 2 amp motor just stops and buzzes.

twocvbloke · Feb 28, 2012

I wasn't referring to the motor alone self destructing, I quote:

"I had to change the plastic belt side brush roll cap with a metal one from a convertible because it kept melting it."

A sign that it's causing a lot of friction, which causes damage, if it's melting an end cap...

As for the comparison between a 2A Eureka and a 7A Sanitaire, fair point, but, compare a 3.5A Eureka and a 7A Sanitaire, and they're pretty evenly matched, the latter motor tending to burn out belts and bearings faster than the motor which is rated for half the amps, resulting in higher maintenance cost, and not getting any better cleaning performance, so therefore in that situation, more amps does not mean more cleaning power...

And then there's the 5A Sanitaires against 7A Sanitaires, same cleaning performance, but one uses more power...

Then there's other brands too, comparing same or similar models which have higher and lower capacity motors, and the cleaning performance being the same, or worse for the higher amperage motors, such as Royal metal uprights, the older lower amp and RPM models clean better than the more recent high amp high RPM models, despite apparently being "the same", or Kirbys, the Heritage series and the G series have about the same amperage, but the Heritages clean better...

Like it or not, more amps do not translate into better cleaning, and if you don't want to believe it, then that's your failing, not mine...

vintagerepairer · Feb 28, 2012

Ha, you guys are better than an episode of Eastenders!

twocvbloke · Feb 28, 2012

"Ha, you guys are better than an episode of Eastenders!&

Nah, we're not setting fire to the Queen Vic or burying each other in the square...

vintagerepairer · Feb 28, 2012

No but you're not far off. You don't half take yourselves seriously!

twocvbloke · Feb 28, 2012

Well, I just like pointing out errors that could compromise the safety of the owner, others just care about wanting more cleaning power, especially as these Elite models aren't particularly powerful machines according to someone I know who had one or two, and thus aren't designed to take the larger motors...

But each to their own....

vintagerepairer · Feb 28, 2012

You prove my previous comment quite nicely. Thank-you.

twocvbloke · Feb 28, 2012

Well, it's a vacuum cleaner collector forum, if you're not serious, you're not a collector...

vintagerepairer · Feb 28, 2012

You don't have to be a collector to enjoy the forum. And there is I feel a difference between taking the subject seriously and taking ones self seriously. I have drifted many an hour away looking through this superb website. But one thing is for sure, there will be a few early heart attacks if some of you continue with this 'energy' you radiate so easily.

twocvbloke · Feb 28, 2012

Believe me, the "energy" is only online, in reality I'm pretty relaxed (probably a tad too relaxed some days!!) and have other hobbies to play with...

As for heart attacks, maybe, I'm not strapped up with a 7-day heart monitor for no reason...

vintagerepairer · Feb 28, 2012

Well I wasn't directing that at you as much as I was anyone on here really. It is certainly good to share the passion of the subject...but maybe sometimes I've noticed it gets a little too 'passionate', if you'll excuse me

Not that I'm suggesting this is the only website where emotions spill over, hell no, there are reasons why I won't go near moneysavingexpert...

twocvbloke · Feb 28, 2012

I'm on the MSE forum, well, in name only, haven't posted there in a while actually, just isn't my sort of forum... :&#92

vintagerepairer · Feb 28, 2012

Well i could find it useful, were it not for the fact that everyone gets a rocket up their behind the minute they dare to ask a question.

twocvbloke · Feb 28, 2012

Well, most people on the MSE forum are a bunch of cheapskates, the last time I followed their advice I ended up with a cheap DVD player that blew up (the other one I got has yet to blow up, but it tents to spend it's time without electricity)... :S

vintagerepairer · Feb 28, 2012

Well I cannot argue with that comment for sure. They are also at the forefront of many a campaign but what I don't get is how they cannot see that if we all followed the advice there would be even less money in the country.

bravokid · Feb 29, 2012

elites in a nut shell

i own about 10 elites i have a white hoover elite 2 that i did the exact same thing with. there are pros and cons with both motors. the 12 amp motor is a beast indeed with tons and tons of air flow. however i notice that the 12 amp spins the stiff brush almost 2 fast and makes it skip on the carpet sometimes hoover made a softer brush for this reason it has blue or green bristles these brushes ware out way faster. the 7 amp motor lets the brush do its work and dig. the 12 amp motor was to make the hose work better to compete with clean air models. the 20 bladed fan on a 7 amp motor will make the hose do just as good if you use the non stretch front mounted hose. the narrow stretch hose is pathetic with any motor. it also seems to me that the 7 amp with 7 blade fan runs much quieter and provide ample deep cleaning. and as nice as machines the legacy and dimension are badly sealed with the slide hose system and the carpet suction relies on to friction fit of the hose in the caddy if it pops out all is lost lol. it was a good idea to make the transfer to 12 amp swiveltop great for heavy thick carpet just be aware of the brush and fan chamber

bravokid · Mar 1, 2012

your elite is beautiful by the way i love the 90s grey color on any vac i have a twin fan and a decade 800 in the same colors. take great care of it they are getting harder and harder to come by

kloveland · Mar 1, 2012

Great modification!

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Congratulations on the modification. You have a real powerhouse there! It should filter better than the original bagless. Had one for a while, couldn't get the top dirt cup lid to seal. It blew dust out of the top! But it cleaned very well.
 
 I would like to get a Dimension or the Elite style power drive. Really like the hood style on those.

trebor · Mar 3, 2012

It stands to reason...

that if Hoover could have made money by building a cleaner as this one has been modified they would have.

1) How to justify the jump in cost for machines so similar?

2) How to keep people from replacing worn brushrolls with the cheaper one to save money?

3) How to make sure people did not use the stiff brushroll and rip their carpets?

4) The softer brushroll would wear too quickly at high speed, causing disgruntled consumers?

Oops, I just eliminated both brushrolls, didn't I? So R&D would have to create a new brushroll just for the 12 amp Elite, when the increase in price would not be justified in the consumer's mind.

5) If they did make it and price it accordingly, it would have competed against their higher price units of a different body style, thus competing against themselves, instead of only their market competitors There's a technical name for that phenomenon, it's called "pissing in the soup."

6) I think the idea has merit as a mid-priced highly effective bagged unit now, since the Elite body style is no longer made.

7)More amps do not always a more effective vacuum cleaner make, but I would have to say this modification would. The comparisons of fans differing by only a blade or two are different than going from 7 to 20 along with 5 amp to 12. Substantial difference, but moot since it will never be anything but an enthusiasts "Franken cleaner" Might be worth a shot at the cleaning competition at the convention, though.

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