Hoover Elite 5.0 LE converted to 12amp monster vac

[swiveltop]

I didn't consider an Elite Vintage but it is from 12/90, Years ago I gave this vacuum to my brother because it was the most disposable vacuum I had and he needed a vacuum,well when it quit picking up he said I could have it back,he's the cheapest person on earth so he never changed the bag, It was a brick when I got it back,the motor was ruined,In the meantime I found a really dirty Hoover twin chamber bagless 12 amp. I started looking at the design and the 12 amp motor was a direct fit for the Elite,Snapped off one plastic pin on the plug and it fit and the Elite was good to go again, This thing will pull the carpet off the floor,so much power I had to change the plastic belt side brush roll cap with a metal one from a convertible because it kept melting it. my best carpet groomer.

 

[bagintheback]

OOO

What a great idea. I have heard that those 12amp Elite motors are insanely powerful, and the original 5amp motors are great carpet cleaners anyway. Now you have a truly Limited Edition! One day I will have to track down one of these motors and this myself.

 

[vacuumfreak]

Well that sounds like one mighty vac! Sounds like it would be the ultimate carpet groomer!

Daniel

 

[twocvbloke]

And another example of people thinking that more amps means more cleaning power....

 

[swiveltop]

Thanks Daniel and Nathaniel for the reply, The Elite is a great carpet cleaner and groomer in it's original form, If you do find one of these early Bagless twin chamber Vacs save it for an Elite, The one I had found in the garbage was really nasty, so I first tried to put the Elite handle and bag on and it fit, so after that I found that the motor was the same and just put in the Elite.

 

[broomvac]

twocvbloke

I don't think that you realize that these 12 amp motors have a fan with something like double the number of blades vs the other motors, causing these motors to really perform much better.

Time for you to do a bit more research before you jump on people...

 

[broomvac]

vs old:

Have you ever even compared the two motor/fan assemblies before?

 

[vacuumfreak]

Thank you broomvac! I didn't even notice twocvbloke's post until now. The fans on those 12 amp motors create quite the suction power

Daniel

 

[twocvbloke]

"Time for you to do a bit more research before you jump

Why bother? It's only a hoover...

Plus I find that fans with more blades tends co cause issues with larger debris being deflected back out the way it's meant to go in, such as with my two juniors, I had two sets of fans, 7-blade and 9-blade, metal and Plastic, the 7 blade fans perform better than the 9 blades, and with my two Kirbys witht he metal fans, the 10-blade fans generate more airflow than the 11 blade models with the curved blades, and there's a reason why Eureka stuck with their 10-blade fans in their F&G type uprights, to put it in simple terms, "More is Less"...

What was that about research you say?

 

[vintagerepairer]

He said do some.

 

[twocvbloke]

"He said do some."

I didn't realise everyone had intimate knowledge of the contents of my mind and of what I do in my life, thus knowing that because I have an opinion of something, which they dislike, that therefore I know nothing and must "go do research" before I'm allowed to have an opinion...

Unlike some people, I don't blog my life on the web for all to see, I've compared plenty of vacuums over the past few years, and not documented it simply because there are so many ungrateful people out there who argue the toss over the results I and others find, so while I may not have a website full tot he brim of documented test results, I do have the knowledge I gained from those tests, and thus have formed the opinion that poorly designed high amperage motors are not as effective as well-designed low-amperage motors...

So, in response to "do some", I say "Do one", cos I HAVE done the research myself, and I have formed an opinion, and if you don't like it, then tough luck, cos I'm not changing it for the sake of a few who dislike what I say!!

 

[vintagerepairer]

Fair enough. I for one don't blame you for feeling that way.

 

[broomvac]

You seem to blog a ton more about your life than I (or many people here) do.

Also, I don't care at all what your little juniors do, I can tell you from comparing both motor/fan combinations in question that the 12 amp ones not only have a greater CFM but also pass debris just fine. You do not seem to have compared the two, and thus have no experience with them, so you cannot tell the people who do have experience with them which is better.

 

[broomvac]

"Why bother. It's only a hoover..."

Exactly. Why even bother criticizing good work other people here have done?

 

[thevacuumlover1]

Broomvac needs a life

Hey broomvac why don't you grow up, It's a vacuum cleaner? Is a fucking vacuum cleaner going to get you in to Harvard or Julliard? Uh, No So... Why don't to put the Hoover back in the closet and get a Clue?! Stop devoting your already worthless life to these dirt suckers and go back to college! Time to GROW UP sweetie pie!



Fyi, I gave up vacuums about 7 months ago, Best thing i could have ever done! Recommend you all should too... That is if you want NORMAL FRIENDS.

 

[twocvbloke]

"You seem to blog a ton more about your life than I (or

Believe me, what I post here is just a tiny fraction of 1% of my life, if you think that's my entire life, then you're highly mistaken...

And as for this:
"Why even bother criticizing good work other people here have done?"

I wouldn't consider overloading cabling and switches "good work", more "good source of an electrical fire", the damage already done is evidence that it is not a safe modification, and like I've said enough times, more amps do not translate into better cleaning performance, if you can't believe that statement, then you go right ahead and do such modifications, that's your choice, but I will criticise anything where I see a major flaw, and I see a major flaw here...

I'd just recommend keeping a fire extinguisher to hand...

 

[broomvac]

Again, you are needlessly creating problems...

To address the "fire hazard" misunderstanding:
The thing about these Elite vacuums is that the switch is actually located deep inside the cleaner and in the motor housing (there is a pushrods that runs all the way down the handle to reach it), so when you exchange motors , the switch inevitably goes with it, something you would have known if you had experience with these motors. So, his modified cleaner actually has the original 12 amp rated switch instead of the supposedly unsafe 5 amp switch.

As far as the cord, Hoover used the same cords for their 5 amp Elites as in their 12 amp elites, so the cord is not being over stressed as well.

I suggest you rethink what you just posted.

 

[twocvbloke]

Well fine, if that's the case, go ahead and modify away then, but I still question the safety of the modifications, at least when I try modifying things I ensure what I modify can take such things without self-destruction...

 

[stricklybojack]

great idea!

I just saw an Elite 500 ad on craigslist & your hotrod vac idea makes it worth snapping up, thanks for posting.

 

[broomvac]

I'm pretty sure these motors were not built to self destruct.

I will also add that I do have a huge respect for safety, so I can relate to your earlier concerns if this mod was performed under different circumstances. But since this is actually a perfectly safe mod in terms of electrical components limits and ratings, I just wanted to let you know before you said even more mislead things to the OP and possibly make him and anyone else nervous about issues that do not exist.

Now as far as the performance of various amperage and fan combinations, that is just something that varies from cleaner to cleaner. But, your statement that leads us to believe that amperage is independent from cleaning performance does seem incorrect in this situation as well as others.

To name another example, compare a 2 amp domestic dial a nap Eureka upright vs a 7 amp Sanitaire. Despite the fact they are virtually the same cleaner, the 2 amp cleaner moves a hell of a lot less air than the 7 amp Sanitaire, and has an equally extreme drop in agitation performance as well. I mean, you can easily stop the whole motor and brushroll assembly in the two amp cleaner with your bare hands, yet if you tried the same with a Sanitaire, you would either break your fingers or burn the belt very quickly, while the 2 amp motor just stops and buzzes.

 

[twocvbloke]

I wasn't referring to the motor alone self destructing, I quote:

"I had to change the plastic belt side brush roll cap with a metal one from a convertible because it kept melting it."

A sign that it's causing a lot of friction, which causes damage, if it's melting an end cap...


As for the comparison between a 2A Eureka and a 7A Sanitaire, fair point, but, compare a 3.5A Eureka and a 7A Sanitaire, and they're pretty evenly matched, the latter motor tending to burn out belts and bearings faster than the motor which is rated for half the amps, resulting in higher maintenance cost, and not getting any better cleaning performance, so therefore in that situation, more amps does not mean more cleaning power...

And then there's the 5A Sanitaires against 7A Sanitaires, same cleaning performance, but one uses more power...

Then there's other brands too, comparing same or similar models which have higher and lower capacity motors, and the cleaning performance being the same, or worse for the higher amperage motors, such as Royal metal uprights, the older lower amp and RPM models clean better than the more recent high amp high RPM models, despite apparently being "the same", or Kirbys, the Heritage series and the G series have about the same amperage, but the Heritages clean better...

Like it or not, more amps do not translate into better cleaning, and if you don't want to believe it, then that's your failing, not mine...

 

[vintagerepairer]

Ha, you guys are better than an episode of Eastenders!

 

[twocvbloke]

"Ha, you guys are better than an episode of Eastenders!&

Nah, we're not setting fire to the Queen Vic or burying each other in the square...

 

[vintagerepairer]

No but you're not far off. You don't half take yourselves seriously!

 

[twocvbloke]

Well, I just like pointing out errors that could compromise the safety of the owner, others just care about wanting more cleaning power, especially as these Elite models aren't particularly powerful machines according to someone I know who had one or two, and thus aren't designed to take the larger motors...

But each to their own....

 

[vintagerepairer]

You prove my previous comment quite nicely. Thank-you.

 

[twocvbloke]

Well, it's a vacuum cleaner collector forum, if you're not serious, you're not a collector...

 

[vintagerepairer]

You don't have to be a collector to enjoy the forum. And there is I feel a difference between taking the subject seriously and taking ones self seriously. I have drifted many an hour away looking through this superb website. But one thing is for sure, there will be a few early heart attacks if some of you continue with this 'energy' you radiate so easily.

 

[twocvbloke]

Believe me, the "energy" is only online, in reality I'm pretty relaxed (probably a tad too relaxed some days!!) and have other hobbies to play with...

As for heart attacks, maybe, I'm not strapped up with a 7-day heart monitor for no reason...