Hilariously angry sounding Electrolux turbo brush

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Firstly, even if a SEBO X4 can be picked up second hand, buyers want NEW. Very few will consider second hand.

Secondly, second hand SEBO uprights can often be abused. I've learnt my lesson there. I don't hook on every listing on EBay with the hope that the machine has been properly serviced. "Refurbished" to a lot of sellers means a new brush roll, a new filter and a new bag installed. They forget to check the drive belt though which is often missing teeth, let alone the rest of the machine inside.

SEBO parts have forever been available via their national telephone number - but most buyers of " generation " that prefers bagged vacs these days don't tend to like passing their credit/debit card details on a phone or even online.

As for the 2.4 kg SEBO PN. Well that's just the PN weight itself Marcus. No point in considering that alone if the weght of the additional cylinder model behind it OR the Felix isn't taken into consideration as well!

Generally the people who have asked me on the recommendation of an upright bagged vac are looking for something light and easy. And they are not always the "infirm and elderly."

Light and easy usually translates to something like 4 to 5kg, in which the question of a cylinder vac soon arises because there aren't that many uprights that weigh that. Then for carpets, the option of a turbo brush comes in if those buyers concerned can't get past the heavier weight issue of the uprights..

That's the main issue these days where bagged uprights are concerned; there doesn't seem to be that very many of them unless you go down the premium route.
 
You can find Sebos that are only a year old or less.I think you will get many years of use, far more than a budget VAC.

You should be able to trust a company like Sebo with your credit card details I would hope so anyway.

When using a cylinder cleaner you only really feel the weight of the hose, wand and floor tool you are using. OK you have to pull the cylinder along but that's not so bad.


Anyway people are free to purchase whatever they want I'm just giving my opinions. Feel free to agree or disagree :-)
 
This reminds me of when I sold my Miele S6 Ecoline briefly 2 (or it may have been 3) years ago to a lady who was more or less a right pain in the A**. She was impressed with the cleaning ability of the Miele, she loved the ease of lightness, but oh no she wasn't going to pay any more than £50. She had already tried Bosch but didn't like the quality and noted bags for the model were hard to find at local nearby franchises (at the time) like Currys, Tesco or Argos.

She kept on at me periodically in the same month to reduce the price. No way. It was in good condition, the model hadn't picked up pet hair and of the use it did have, the body only showed up one scratch that could barely be seen.

It went on for another month with constant calls and meetings to keep trying the Miele.

She didn't want bagless because she has allergies.

She didn't want an upright because she lives with hard floors (cue the allergies again).

She didn't like the bent handle on the Miele as it wasn't grippy enough (but loved the Comfort handle on my S5 at the time and wanted that part),

She didn't want to have to clean filters ( another reason again to why she loved the Miele) but she also noted that the Miele tubes were a bit heavy.

She didn't like the standard double twin Eco floor head that came with the Miele as standard (she liked the older one fitted to my S5) - oh it went on and on!

Meanwhile Which had pasted a "Best Buy" on the model in question. That made it all the worse! She adores Which and awards in general.

She may have thought that the constant moaning about life and her lack of physical abilities may drain me down eventually but I didn't relent. There was no way I would sell my Miele S6 for £50!!

Then one day she phoned to say that whilst she really loved all the design elements, she probably wouldn't buy the vacuum because of her "poor back," she couldn't bend down to the floor to pull out the cord. Talk about being patient!

IN the end, she bought the Miele S6, but only on account that I gently reminded her that if she gets up "every day wearing a jumper," that usually lives under her bed since it has pull out drawers, then she was BENDING to the floor all the time!

Whilst I know that people CAN buy SEBOs and that SEBOs are good and hardy vacs, sometimes even the best in class can't always please everyone, cue the example above!
 
Oh this is true. You can't please all of the people all of the time.

I've had some pain in the arse customers but because I don't want to ruin my good reputation I do all I can to make the customer happy.
 
I found interesting turbo head comparison video.
Miele did a nice job, Dyson was weak, but Hoover was amazingly good.
 
Yes this is true Nar an Air driven turbo brush is different to an electric driven power brush. :)Which is why i prefer electric driven.

Their latest air driven powerheads are much improved too. And before you mention it Nar yes i have used them :)
 
Yes. For example powerhead can literally lift the carpet, turbine head not even close. This is just my own experience.
 
And mine Mike.When the power goes down to 900w max that's not gonna help the performance of turbo brushes.
 
the video of that hoover turbo brush ...

I love that video of the miele/dyson/hoover!

I have an inexplicable affliction for turbo brushes -- probably because I grew up with central vac with a turbo brush - so that's what I think of as a vacuum from my childhood.

In that video, the turbo brush is a "TK2". It is made by dupro in Switzerland (duepro.com). I have one of those - and would love a brand new one, but as far as I have researched, they are only sold in Australia anymore. I'm toying with importing one ...

Dupro also makes your electrolux turbo brush. I also have one that is very similar to the electrolux - and that is the "TK4" - the opening, turbine is pretty much the same.

In my unscientific observations with my central vac, the TK2 tends to be pretty consistent, doesn't easily stall or slow down, even on thicker / ultrasoft carpets. The TK4 seems like it spins faster, but pretty much only works on low pile rugs and frieze. It is like the TK2 has more torque.

(I also have 2 wessel werk turbines - a TK284 and a TK270).
 
The TK284 has the smallest orifice of all my turbo brushes - it is pretty much impossible to stall with my central vac. It sorta seals to the ultra soft carpet, but the brush still turns and it is usable.

The TK270 has a larger opening - so I presume more air flows through. It too doesn't really seem to stall - it like it everywhere except the ultra soft - it is difficult on the backstroke, but near impossible on the forward stroke. even though it is sealed down, it still is spinning.

I have been a bit OCD about these ;) Like seriously OCD - I've read patents from Wessel Werk and Dupro, learned about different turbines (e.g. the above electrolux and the TK4 from dupro use a Mitchell Turbine - which is supposed to do better with high flow low head (i.e. more airflow, less pressue), while the wessel werk and TK2 use a Pelton Wheel turbine - which doesn't need as much flow, but extract the energy from the pressure.

I do see that you can get different modular orifices for the TK284, but I have no clue where to start looking for these. I'm pretty sure mine has the smallest (I see a circle 3 in roman numerals in it).

I have a waterlift gauge. Measuring the pressure in the pipes via another valve, I found
- no hose, about 130+ IOW (motor rated for 134)
- hose only (1 3/8", smooth bore): 30 IOW
- TK2: 44-50 IOW (depending on if it is in the air or on the carpet)
- TK4: 38-44 IOW
- TK270: 40-46
- TK284: 48-52
- suction only carpet brush: 30-50

Now, the permanent filter had seen some use. I cleaned it out and tried again - the numbers were about 3-4 IOW higher, but I didn't write them down.

(This is with an old Beam 294, with a Lamb 116119 motor: specs are here http://dev.ametekfsm.com/Bulletins/116119-00.pdf )

Basically, more pressure in the pipe - approximately you can map the curves to airflow. BUT, the filter does restrict, so I'm sure the pressure readings would be higher above the filter, if I could measure it there.

Like I said, totally OCD :)
 

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