Heavily abused Dysons

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No design or vacuum is 'Perfect.' Having a perfect piece of design is impossible, because we're human.

In a piece of design, say an AEC Routemaster bus, the design wasn't perfect, it didn't have a low-floor and had an engine at the front with a long transmission to the back axle, making it inefficient as time goes by.
 
My parents Church a Huge 5000 seater uses two dc14's and a dc23. The church is used daily and included many offices large entrance ways, smaller meeting rooms its absolutely massive. The had two vorwerks that were forever breaking before buying the dysons. almost 3 years on now and they are going strong.

I know of a few builders that use dc14's as there final vacuum to remove the fine dust the shopvacs leave behind
 
Matt - Thanks for an extremely well written and informative thread. I glossed over much of the "debate". One tends to need thick skin from time to time here on VacuumLand! I agree with what others have mentioned - any vacuum can and will likely be used to clean in a commercial setting. I saw it all the time when I spent 8+ years working in vacuum stores, selling and servicing machines. As long as it accomplishes it's duty of picking up the dirt, not much else matters. I'm sure the church is quite glad to have someone donating their time to help out with the maintenance, we all know what would become of those machines if you weren't! :-) I would love to have that much carpeting at my disposal to vacuum on my own time!

Best wishes for happy holidays, and I look forward to reading future threads of yours!

~Fred
 
Just about any vacuum can be used in a commercial cleaning environment. The only real difference between a commercial vacuum and a domestic is Longevity.
Many domestic vacuums will easily out clean commercial ones too. I had a customer bring in her Sebo 370 wanting to know what was wrong with it.Her Daughter had come to stay for a few weeks and had brought her New Bissel pet eraser. She was horrified at what the Bissell pulled out of her carpet. I checked the Sebo and it was 100% probably one of the best condition sebo's I have ever seen. I told her that its just a case of the Bissell been much more powerful with a more aggressive brush roll. The only consolation for her is that the Bissell will last 2 -3 years and here Sebo 20 to 30 years.

Commercial vacuums are designed to last. This means less powerful motors aswell. A domestic vacuum is designed to clean and make a good impression so they have massive motors high suction but may not last as long.

I know in South Africa many company are shifting to using dysons to clean their offices and churches. The main reason is they are bagless. No commercial vacuum company makes a bagless vacuum here and they wont because they make to much money off the bags. I just tell the customers to clean the filters more often.

The dc07 and 14 are the most popular when I put up a rebuilt dc07 for sale its quickly snapped up.

When we started our cleaning company 10 years ago we bought a range of sebo's x1's , 370's 470's and Karcher. The cost of the bags was Horrendous. We had 25 machines and would go through 5 packs of bags a week @ $20.00 a pack. We quickly had closth bags made.

Dry carpet cleaners have also switched over. One of my best friends owns a dry carpet cleaning company and he has been using 3 dysons for 4 years now no problems. what we did do though is convert them to the non clutch brush rolls as he prefers them. It all comes down to maintenance. look after it and it will last years no matter were you use it.
 
"No commercial vacuum company makes a bagless vacuum here and they wont because they make to much money off the bags."

No, but rather for the fact that bagged is the way to go for best hygiene - otherwise hospitals would have to double their efforts for airborne quality.

Dust bags aren't that expensive - its not as if the ones they sell for either the SEBO or Numatic ranges are expensive at trade prices.
 
Yep I could do that comparison in my shop and make the bosch the Looser very easily. The problem with Utube vids is that its very easy to make the vacuum you want to win win and the vacuum you want to loose, loose badly. Been there done that.

I did that recently with a Miele and made it loose horribly after a customer showed me a Utube vid where the Miele outcleaned the dyson. I love showing customers this and have one of every model of my competition to aid in this.

As for the vacuum bags $ 20.00 for a pack of 5 Thats to pricey for me. All the hospitals here in SA that are worth there salt have massive central systems with UM a cyclone on them. Infact I don't know when last I saw a Hospital with a normal vacuum in it.
 
Many UK hospitals

have reduced the amount of vacuuming they do as it was actually thought to be unhygenic due to what could be breeding in the cleaner and the dust bags. Carpets have all but been eradicated, but also the method of vacuuming hard floors was considered liable to unsettle dust in a way that made it airborne, to the extent that dust-mopping floors has been favoured. Hospitals here also prefer paper hand towels over electric dryers, again for the belief of moving around germ-borne air. That is of course excluding Dyson hand dryers which have been able to make a presence in some establishments.

As for that video and as for the comments that the Dyson can be made to look more favourable should one choose to, it has to be remembered that these videos are little more that the results of, say, a survey, where comments and statistics are gathered in such a way as to reflect only the aspects which the commissioner of the survey wishes to convey to the 3rd party. The video here was completely biased in favour of the Bosch, and in normal usage no cleaner would be expected to cope with that kind of debris. Indeed with any cleaner, I would be inclined to sweep the area first.

But this does not mean I am standing up for Dyson either. One only has to review their own official videos to see they too like to show matters from a certain angle. For instance, those cleaners which in tests are mechanically moved back and forth, and cleaners dropped from a height continually. What does this prove? It proves they held their own during rigid factory testing. It does not prove they will hold out in 'normal' use. That, as we all know, is an entirely different way of testing the durability of anything.
 
$20-00 is equivalent to roughly £12. For that you get double the amount of SEBO bags for the commercial BS36 series - 10 bags to you, compared to the 5 you quote - and that's taken from a Trader company AFTER VAT has been added. Numatic are even cheaper in some cases £5-95 which is half of U.S $20-00 gets you 10 bags for the Numatic.

Whilst SOME hospitals depend on wet cleaning to get rid of dust, several hospitals and department stores that have vinyl mix floors use a mix of dry polisher machines and some that have the combo suction bags on them to pick up dust. Other departments use Henry vacuums or more expensive commercial tub vacuums with even more elevated costs on dust bags, that aren't as mass available to buy such as Numatic or SEBO.

My point in all of this is, it doesn't really matter that much that dust bags have to be purchased in lieu of a bagless vacuum - after all - lets face it - if Dyson offered a much better built vacuum designed for commercial usage, I bet the sole plate wouldn't be so easy to scratch let alone have obvious external wear parts that wouldn't scuff or shatter that easily.

Matt - have you tried trundling your Hoover TP model up and down the stone flagstones of that church? See how long that lasts.
 
I'd not want to run a TP over those flagstones, wouldn't last a minute! Can't think of much that would really, apart from a kirby, which would probably level the whole area over a period of time, breaking down the raised corners...

The one win about the dyson soleplate is it's flared, so will ride up and over the top of the corners, and as it's got a large surface area just glides and absorbs the impacts for a time.

However, would love to run a TP over the carpet!
 

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