dysondestijl
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Ah well, mine was free, so I can't complain...
Heavily abused Dysons
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dysondestijl
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What happened there???
rootcyclone
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This is why I wouldn't use a Dyson in a commercial environment, even an 04 Constantmax, i still wouldn't put it through a commercial environment because most (if not all these days) are designed for domestic use.
Some of the best commercial machines are Numatics', I've said it before and I'll say it again; the All steel commercial models are some of the best out there in terms of solid build quality. Great for commercial environments!
Some of the best commercial machines are Numatics', I've said it before and I'll say it again; the All steel commercial models are some of the best out there in terms of solid build quality. Great for commercial environments!
matt8808
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This is why I wouldn't use a Dyson in a commercial....
What brings you to that conclusion? Yes they are designed for domestic use but as you can see they are standing up to commercial use and abuse very well.
I've considered buying them a Numatic machine a few times - however any other machine you can suggest would be less suitable than the Dyson for a number of reasons....
Firstly a cylinder machine's floor tool wouldn't last two seconds.
The Dyson soleplate only manages to last so long on the stone flooring because it has the small wheels on it - they help prevent the rough sandstone flooring wearing away the soleplate too quickly. A cylinder machine floor head in this setting, even one with a steel base, wouldn't last. People wouldn't adjust it when going from the carpet to stone and with no small wheels to help distance the base of the nozzle from the stone it wouldn't be long before the stone wore through it.
Secondly they vacuum up a lot of damp dirt - a bagged machine would basically act like a compost bin.
For example before weddings and funerals you find a lot of people go for a wander around the graveyard. They then trample in a lot of wet grass and leaves ect ect
Plus theres the flower arranging in the church - there are regular multiple large displays - by the time these are done there are flower heads, greenery and bits of cut flower stem all over the floor. And have you ever seen that green stuff they stick the flowers in when flower arranging? Its like huge blocks of green sponge that absorbs masses of water to stop the flowers dying so quickly - well this ends up all over too. Imagine a terrorist attack on a florists shop - I doubt that would make as much mess as they manage to make in the church when it comes to doing the flowers. This ALL goes up the vacuum. You can fill it just from tidying up after the flower arranging.
The Dyson then gets chucked back into the church tower - still full of damp flower cuttings and things. A bagged machine would end up festering a bit like a compost bin. Can you imagine what a bagged machine would smell like half full of decomposing greenery?
IN AN IDEAL WORLD - where people would adjust a cylinder machines floor tool when moving from surface to surface. Where people would avoid picking up damp dirt - and where they would clean out and empty the machine if they did accidentally pick up something damp or wet then yes a commercial cylinder machine WOULD be more suitable.
But until that day comes I can't think of anything that would be as easy and cost efficient as the Dyson is being.
They also need an upright to help care for the extensive wool carpeting.
What brings you to that conclusion? Yes they are designed for domestic use but as you can see they are standing up to commercial use and abuse very well.
I've considered buying them a Numatic machine a few times - however any other machine you can suggest would be less suitable than the Dyson for a number of reasons....
Firstly a cylinder machine's floor tool wouldn't last two seconds.
The Dyson soleplate only manages to last so long on the stone flooring because it has the small wheels on it - they help prevent the rough sandstone flooring wearing away the soleplate too quickly. A cylinder machine floor head in this setting, even one with a steel base, wouldn't last. People wouldn't adjust it when going from the carpet to stone and with no small wheels to help distance the base of the nozzle from the stone it wouldn't be long before the stone wore through it.
Secondly they vacuum up a lot of damp dirt - a bagged machine would basically act like a compost bin.
For example before weddings and funerals you find a lot of people go for a wander around the graveyard. They then trample in a lot of wet grass and leaves ect ect
Plus theres the flower arranging in the church - there are regular multiple large displays - by the time these are done there are flower heads, greenery and bits of cut flower stem all over the floor. And have you ever seen that green stuff they stick the flowers in when flower arranging? Its like huge blocks of green sponge that absorbs masses of water to stop the flowers dying so quickly - well this ends up all over too. Imagine a terrorist attack on a florists shop - I doubt that would make as much mess as they manage to make in the church when it comes to doing the flowers. This ALL goes up the vacuum. You can fill it just from tidying up after the flower arranging.
The Dyson then gets chucked back into the church tower - still full of damp flower cuttings and things. A bagged machine would end up festering a bit like a compost bin. Can you imagine what a bagged machine would smell like half full of decomposing greenery?
IN AN IDEAL WORLD - where people would adjust a cylinder machines floor tool when moving from surface to surface. Where people would avoid picking up damp dirt - and where they would clean out and empty the machine if they did accidentally pick up something damp or wet then yes a commercial cylinder machine WOULD be more suitable.
But until that day comes I can't think of anything that would be as easy and cost efficient as the Dyson is being.
They also need an upright to help care for the extensive wool carpeting.
commercial USE
I use a dyson dc01 as commercial vacuum been used for 2 years every day on thick black dust on the light blue carpet it is black every day and cleans it all up
the dyson dc01 is brill SO I SAY
the thing about cylinder vacuum's no beater brush
TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK?
I use a dyson dc01 as commercial vacuum been used for 2 years every day on thick black dust on the light blue carpet it is black every day and cleans it all up
the dyson dc01 is brill SO I SAY
the thing about cylinder vacuum's no beater brush
TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK?
ultimatevacman
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In my opinion, a Numatic is 10x better than a Dyson in a commercial environment. Here's why:
1. A Dyson needs in filters cleaning, it's very rare that people will wash them while used in a commercial environment, as people don't really 'maintain' the vacuums as such.
2. A Dyson will go through belts and clutches and soleplates very quickly, these part wear out when used domestically, imagine what it's like when used commercially?
3. A Dyson is a lot less reliable than a Numatic, it's rare to see older Dysons last more than 10 years in a domestic environment, and it's even less with modern Dysons.
4. Numatics are very reliable, most last 15-25 years if used with bags.
5. The floortool on a Numatic will last longer than a soleplate on a Dyson.
6. How often do you see Numatics with burnt out motors? It's rare if it's been used bagged.
7. How often do you see Dysons with burnt out motors? Very often, in my experience.
That's just my opinion though!
~ Joe
1. A Dyson needs in filters cleaning, it's very rare that people will wash them while used in a commercial environment, as people don't really 'maintain' the vacuums as such.
2. A Dyson will go through belts and clutches and soleplates very quickly, these part wear out when used domestically, imagine what it's like when used commercially?
3. A Dyson is a lot less reliable than a Numatic, it's rare to see older Dysons last more than 10 years in a domestic environment, and it's even less with modern Dysons.
4. Numatics are very reliable, most last 15-25 years if used with bags.
5. The floortool on a Numatic will last longer than a soleplate on a Dyson.
6. How often do you see Numatics with burnt out motors? It's rare if it's been used bagged.
7. How often do you see Dysons with burnt out motors? Very often, in my experience.
That's just my opinion though!
~ Joe
matt8808
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Joe, have you read this thread properly? I'm not saying Dyson are a better commercial machine than Numatic. However I AM saying that the Dyson in question is better suited to the demanding needs of the church.
However from the points you have made -
1. Yes the Dyson needs its filter cleaning - They need cleaning a lot less than a bagged machine would need a bag changing though and given I take care of the filters on these machines then it isn't really an issue.
2. DC01 soleplates were very weak, I've never seen a DOMESTIC use machine from the DC04 onwards have an issue with a soleplate though. If they have then it has been down to abuse. The churches old DC04 soleplate broke due to it becoming caught on a screw sticking out of an old floorboard between the pews and being 'torn' from the machine.
The DC07 has needed ONE soleplate replacement in 6 years.
That's 6 years of vacuuming massive areas of carpet, rough wooden floors and uneven SANDSTONE flooring.
Never had any real issues with clutches or belts - The DC04 never required a clutch. The DC07 had one new clutch under warranty - I don't foresee it needing another any time soon.
3. I've seen plenty of domestic Dyson machines last more than 10 years.
4. I've repaired TWO Numatic machines in the last 6 months. Both Hettys. Both less than 3 years old. Both used in a domestic environment. Both had the same fault. The circuitry for the eco mode had shorted out.
5. As stated in my reply to RootCyclone a Numatic floorhead wouldn't last two minutes in the church as nobody would bother to adjust it when vacuuming the stone flooring.
Lastly a lot of the time when you see a Dyson with a burnt out motor it is because the filters have not been cleaned often enough. Typical example being that when the DC07 in the church went 8 months without the filter being cleaned the motor burnt out. Other than that, when I go and change the filter for a clean one we have no issues.
That's why the church had a DC04 last 4 - 5 years without needing a repair - and the only reason it was replaced with the DC07 is because I deemed it not worth spending any money on given the huge amount of use it had received. The motor and clutch in that machine worked perfectly when it was replaced. In fact somebody from the church took it home and as far as I am aware still have it to this day - even though it has a damaged soleplate.
The DC07 is around 6 years old and has only needed the one repair. That's 10 - 11 years of Dysons being used in a demanding commercial environment with only the one breakdown.
Once again I'm not saying that Dyson are a better machine than Numatic - I'm just saying that they meet the needs of the church better and seem to be wearing a lot better than a Numatic machine would in this situation.
It is also unfair for you to basically say that compared to Numatic Dyson are cr@p. If used properly the modern Dyson machines should last just as well.
You can still see people with the original DC01 machines in their homes and they've never had any real issues with them after what? 18? 20 years?
Dyson have their fare share of faults, but trust me so do Numatic. ALL machines develop faults from time to time.
However from the points you have made -
1. Yes the Dyson needs its filter cleaning - They need cleaning a lot less than a bagged machine would need a bag changing though and given I take care of the filters on these machines then it isn't really an issue.
2. DC01 soleplates were very weak, I've never seen a DOMESTIC use machine from the DC04 onwards have an issue with a soleplate though. If they have then it has been down to abuse. The churches old DC04 soleplate broke due to it becoming caught on a screw sticking out of an old floorboard between the pews and being 'torn' from the machine.
The DC07 has needed ONE soleplate replacement in 6 years.
That's 6 years of vacuuming massive areas of carpet, rough wooden floors and uneven SANDSTONE flooring.
Never had any real issues with clutches or belts - The DC04 never required a clutch. The DC07 had one new clutch under warranty - I don't foresee it needing another any time soon.
3. I've seen plenty of domestic Dyson machines last more than 10 years.
4. I've repaired TWO Numatic machines in the last 6 months. Both Hettys. Both less than 3 years old. Both used in a domestic environment. Both had the same fault. The circuitry for the eco mode had shorted out.
5. As stated in my reply to RootCyclone a Numatic floorhead wouldn't last two minutes in the church as nobody would bother to adjust it when vacuuming the stone flooring.
Lastly a lot of the time when you see a Dyson with a burnt out motor it is because the filters have not been cleaned often enough. Typical example being that when the DC07 in the church went 8 months without the filter being cleaned the motor burnt out. Other than that, when I go and change the filter for a clean one we have no issues.
That's why the church had a DC04 last 4 - 5 years without needing a repair - and the only reason it was replaced with the DC07 is because I deemed it not worth spending any money on given the huge amount of use it had received. The motor and clutch in that machine worked perfectly when it was replaced. In fact somebody from the church took it home and as far as I am aware still have it to this day - even though it has a damaged soleplate.
The DC07 is around 6 years old and has only needed the one repair. That's 10 - 11 years of Dysons being used in a demanding commercial environment with only the one breakdown.
Once again I'm not saying that Dyson are a better machine than Numatic - I'm just saying that they meet the needs of the church better and seem to be wearing a lot better than a Numatic machine would in this situation.
It is also unfair for you to basically say that compared to Numatic Dyson are cr@p. If used properly the modern Dyson machines should last just as well.
You can still see people with the original DC01 machines in their homes and they've never had any real issues with them after what? 18? 20 years?
Dyson have their fare share of faults, but trust me so do Numatic. ALL machines develop faults from time to time.
hi-loswitch98
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You do find heck of a lot of Dysons on Carboots, the DC04 in particular butI am always worried about the soleplate, belt & clutch however on every Dyson DC04 I have bought I have never had a problem with, they all work fine but need a good clean in the cyclones etc.
matt8808
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You find a lot of Dysons for a few key reasons.
Firstly Dysons are much more popular in the domestic setting than Numatic machines. A lot of consumers would rather have the shiny new Dyson with all its new-fangled technology and promises of high performance.
After a few years people tend to stop maintaining their Dyson and when performance drops they go out any buy another.
This is why there tends to be such a high influx of used Dyson machines into the second hand market.
Firstly Dysons are much more popular in the domestic setting than Numatic machines. A lot of consumers would rather have the shiny new Dyson with all its new-fangled technology and promises of high performance.
After a few years people tend to stop maintaining their Dyson and when performance drops they go out any buy another.
This is why there tends to be such a high influx of used Dyson machines into the second hand market.
sebo_fan
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Not quite on the Dyson breaking down and owners buying another.
Lets not forget - Dysons are not cheap.
The reason to why so many exist on the second hand market is simply because so many refurbs have been built and also because some owners are fed up of Dyson bits breaking off.
There are five churches near me - and I've played organ in all of them. 1 out of 5 have two commercial upright bagged vacuums (NOT Sebo), another church has a Henry and an old SEBO BS36, another church has two Henry vacuums, another church has a Numatic James on its own and the last church in town has a Numatic "unbranded" grey commercial vacuum, based on the James design.
All of them are commercially based vacuums.
Lets not forget - Dysons are not cheap.
The reason to why so many exist on the second hand market is simply because so many refurbs have been built and also because some owners are fed up of Dyson bits breaking off.
There are five churches near me - and I've played organ in all of them. 1 out of 5 have two commercial upright bagged vacuums (NOT Sebo), another church has a Henry and an old SEBO BS36, another church has two Henry vacuums, another church has a Numatic James on its own and the last church in town has a Numatic "unbranded" grey commercial vacuum, based on the James design.
All of them are commercially based vacuums.
dysondestijl
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The church near me has....
A hoover junior and an old Electrolux canister....
But often, like you matt, people take their own vacuums. One person takes their Panasonic and one takes their SEBO X4 extra
A hoover junior and an old Electrolux canister....
But often, like you matt, people take their own vacuums. One person takes their Panasonic and one takes their SEBO X4 extra
davetranter
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Organist
Sebo_Fan.... You are an Organist??? (Reply#51) Kudos!!!!!
It's nice to see that this Dyson is surviving Commercial Duty, And thanks, Matt for maintaining it - and the church. Whether or not we use them, these buildings are an irreplaceable part of our collective heritage.
As for the endless Dyson-Numatic debate... They each have their advantages and disadvantages. If a particular machine is surviving in a particular environment, then (regardless of how it may perform elsewhere) it must be fairly well suited to the work.
All best, and thanks for a very interesting thread..
Dave T
Sebo_Fan.... You are an Organist??? (Reply#51) Kudos!!!!!
It's nice to see that this Dyson is surviving Commercial Duty, And thanks, Matt for maintaining it - and the church. Whether or not we use them, these buildings are an irreplaceable part of our collective heritage.
As for the endless Dyson-Numatic debate... They each have their advantages and disadvantages. If a particular machine is surviving in a particular environment, then (regardless of how it may perform elsewhere) it must be fairly well suited to the work.
All best, and thanks for a very interesting thread..
Dave T
sebo_fan
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Ty Dave - I play a lot of musical instruments besides organ. Im not an experienced organist though - show me a harpsichord and I'll be happier to play that!
ultimatevacman
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Matt, yes I have read this thread properly. In reply #44, you said:
"<a name="start_23229.260314">I've considered buying them a Numatic machine a few times - however any other machine you can suggest would be less suitable than the Dyson for a number of reasons.... "</a>
And you also said:
"<a name="start_23229.260314">But until that day comes I can't think of anything that would be as easy and cost efficient as the Dyson is being. "</a>
Then I stated why a Numatic would stand up better than a Dyson, and also why a Numatic would be more cost effective.
Like you said yourself, if it wasn't for you cleaning the filters in that DC07, it wouldn't last a minute. Whereas with a Numatic, it's very very rare you have to wash the filter.
In reply #48 you said:
"<a name="start_23229.260335">I've never seen a DOMESTIC use machine from the DC04 onwards have an issue with a soleplate though."</a>
You can't have seen many Dysons before then! I see them get damaged all the time. Cracks, splits, bits of plastic snapped off, you name it.
You also said:
"<a name="start_23229.260335">As stated in my reply to RootCyclone a Numatic floorhead wouldn't last two minutes in the church as nobody would bother to adjust it when vacuuming the stone flooring."</a>
It might not last very long, but I could guarantee it'll last longer than a Dyson soleplate.
"<a name="start_23229.260335">It is also unfair for you to basically say that compared to Numatic Dyson are cr@p. If used properly the modern Dyson machines should last just as well."</a>
I'm not saying that Dyson are crap compared to a Numatic, I'm saying a Numatic would be far better suited to a commercial environment compared to a Dyson which is a domestic machine. A modern Dyson wouldn't last 2 seconds. They're all cheap and flimsy now, the DC04 and DC07s are like tanks compared to the modern Dysons being made today.
But that's just my 2 pence.
"<a name="start_23229.260314">I've considered buying them a Numatic machine a few times - however any other machine you can suggest would be less suitable than the Dyson for a number of reasons.... "</a>
And you also said:
"<a name="start_23229.260314">But until that day comes I can't think of anything that would be as easy and cost efficient as the Dyson is being. "</a>
Then I stated why a Numatic would stand up better than a Dyson, and also why a Numatic would be more cost effective.
Like you said yourself, if it wasn't for you cleaning the filters in that DC07, it wouldn't last a minute. Whereas with a Numatic, it's very very rare you have to wash the filter.
In reply #48 you said:
"<a name="start_23229.260335">I've never seen a DOMESTIC use machine from the DC04 onwards have an issue with a soleplate though."</a>
You can't have seen many Dysons before then! I see them get damaged all the time. Cracks, splits, bits of plastic snapped off, you name it.
You also said:
"<a name="start_23229.260335">As stated in my reply to RootCyclone a Numatic floorhead wouldn't last two minutes in the church as nobody would bother to adjust it when vacuuming the stone flooring."</a>
It might not last very long, but I could guarantee it'll last longer than a Dyson soleplate.
"<a name="start_23229.260335">It is also unfair for you to basically say that compared to Numatic Dyson are cr@p. If used properly the modern Dyson machines should last just as well."</a>
I'm not saying that Dyson are crap compared to a Numatic, I'm saying a Numatic would be far better suited to a commercial environment compared to a Dyson which is a domestic machine. A modern Dyson wouldn't last 2 seconds. They're all cheap and flimsy now, the DC04 and DC07s are like tanks compared to the modern Dysons being made today.
But that's just my 2 pence.
dysondestijl
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Yes but a numatic would be far more boring to use in a place like that than a dyson 
In my local Mosque (Not church but still all carpeted and large area rooms) they use or went through the following vacuums;
Nilco bagged clean air upright like a sebo Design with the brushbar that needs to be fixed (not spinning)
Nilco dirty air uprights, they threw a few out and still use the dark blue ones.
Vax 6131 wash and vac orange, it had tape all over the motor unit, always got clogged, taped hose, etc etc
Eco Henry which is less than 2 years old. It currently has tape on the hose cuff.
I took my DC25 Animal there and ran around the hall and having fun with the ball, as if I was in formula 1
The Dyson got a bin full and still sucked ( I went past the max line) and there was fine white dust and normal dust!!!
The dirty air uprights (nilco) are used mostly there, and they get services a few times a year. One of them was clogged but I fixed it. I hate those though
The Dyson DC25 would be the best out of ALL the vacs I listed.
But it may burn out because it's a Malaysian, April 2011 made machine.
I got a DC04 lime a few years ago and vacuumed water up loads of times, it still worked.
Dyson is a good wet vac though, I used my DC14 blitz it for this:
I spilled soapy hot boiling water on the carpet, removed the valve pipe then ran over that spill with the brushbar to scrub the carpet. It worked well!
Next I vacuumed it all up.
the powerful 290 AW Dyson sucked all the water up but the carpet was still slightly wet obvs. It was dry the next Day
Thank you Matt. This is a wonderful thread
Nilco bagged clean air upright like a sebo Design with the brushbar that needs to be fixed (not spinning)
Nilco dirty air uprights, they threw a few out and still use the dark blue ones.
Vax 6131 wash and vac orange, it had tape all over the motor unit, always got clogged, taped hose, etc etc
Eco Henry which is less than 2 years old. It currently has tape on the hose cuff.
I took my DC25 Animal there and ran around the hall and having fun with the ball, as if I was in formula 1
The Dyson got a bin full and still sucked ( I went past the max line) and there was fine white dust and normal dust!!!
The dirty air uprights (nilco) are used mostly there, and they get services a few times a year. One of them was clogged but I fixed it. I hate those though
The Dyson DC25 would be the best out of ALL the vacs I listed.
But it may burn out because it's a Malaysian, April 2011 made machine.
I got a DC04 lime a few years ago and vacuumed water up loads of times, it still worked.
Dyson is a good wet vac though, I used my DC14 blitz it for this:
I spilled soapy hot boiling water on the carpet, removed the valve pipe then ran over that spill with the brushbar to scrub the carpet. It worked well!
Next I vacuumed it all up.
the powerful 290 AW Dyson sucked all the water up but the carpet was still slightly wet obvs. It was dry the next Day
Thank you Matt. This is a wonderful thread
In my local Mosque (Not church but still all carpeted and large area rooms) they use or went through the following vacuums;
Nilco bagged clean air upright like a sebo Design with the brushbar that needs to be fixed (not spinning)
Nilco dirty air uprights, they threw a few out and still use the dark blue ones.
Vax 6131 wash and vac orange, it had tape all over the motor unit, always got clogged, taped hose, etc etc
Eco Henry which is less than 2 years old. It currently has tape on the hose cuff.
I took my DC25 Animal there and ran around the hall and having fun with the ball, as if I was in formula 1
The Dyson got a bin full and still sucked ( I went past the max line) and there was fine white dust and normal dust!!!
The dirty air uprights (nilco) are used mostly there, and they get services a few times a year. One of them was clogged but I fixed it. I hate those though
The Dyson DC25 would be the best out of ALL the vacs I listed.
But it may burn out because it's a Malaysian, April 2011 made machine.
I got a DC04 lime a few years ago and vacuumed water up loads of times, it still worked.
Dyson is a good wet vac though, I used my DC14 blitz it for this:
I spilled soapy hot boiling water on the carpet, removed the valve pipe then ran over that spill with the brushbar to scrub the carpet. It worked well!
Next I vacuumed it all up.
the powerful 290 AW Dyson sucked all the water up but the carpet was still slightly wet obvs. It was dry the next Day
Thank you Matt. This is a wonderful thread
Nilco bagged clean air upright like a sebo Design with the brushbar that needs to be fixed (not spinning)
Nilco dirty air uprights, they threw a few out and still use the dark blue ones.
Vax 6131 wash and vac orange, it had tape all over the motor unit, always got clogged, taped hose, etc etc
Eco Henry which is less than 2 years old. It currently has tape on the hose cuff.
I took my DC25 Animal there and ran around the hall and having fun with the ball, as if I was in formula 1
The Dyson got a bin full and still sucked ( I went past the max line) and there was fine white dust and normal dust!!!
The dirty air uprights (nilco) are used mostly there, and they get services a few times a year. One of them was clogged but I fixed it. I hate those though
The Dyson DC25 would be the best out of ALL the vacs I listed.
But it may burn out because it's a Malaysian, April 2011 made machine.
I got a DC04 lime a few years ago and vacuumed water up loads of times, it still worked.
Dyson is a good wet vac though, I used my DC14 blitz it for this:
I spilled soapy hot boiling water on the carpet, removed the valve pipe then ran over that spill with the brushbar to scrub the carpet. It worked well!
Next I vacuumed it all up.
the powerful 290 AW Dyson sucked all the water up but the carpet was still slightly wet obvs. It was dry the next Day
Thank you Matt. This is a wonderful thread
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