future new thread "antiques"?

[vacuumssuck213]

it just came to me that in a few years we will have to induct hundreds of garbage bag less bin type vacuums into vintage a place where bags are still king and always will be but where will they go to stay segregated from these awful plastivacs?. or will the vast difference in whatever change in technology set us apart or will a antique forum become necessary

 

[fan-of-fans]

Well the first Dysons were made in 1992-93 so technically they already fit here, as they are just over 20 years old. Also early Fantoms and Amways can as well.

I can't really see them as vintage though.

 

[LionKCommander]

Just one more thing to remind me I'm getting old.

 

[DesertTortoise]

There is plastic, and then there is plastic. Some old Panasonic, Hoover and Kenmore canister vacs from the 1980's are plastic, yes, but the plastics are outstanding, thick and more compliant, not brittle like too many modern vacs. They hold up very well under hard weekly use. Nothing stress cracks, hinges are solid and operate smoothly. The plastics in my Electrolux "shop vac" are equally excellent (except the wands feel cheap, sorry all you Electrolux fans, but they do) and that is a much more recent vac (1997 or so I think). The plastics in my mid 1980's Little Gray Mouse Singer/Ryobi/Kenmore thingie are not so nice. It's a cheap vac built to a price point so Sears could compete against Monkey Ward's Electric Avenue. It shows in the poor fit of the body and the hard squeaky feel of everything. Even cheap Panasonic vacs of that era like the Jet Flow are better made.

 

[dysonman1]

Not everyone hates plastic vacuums. And not everyone hates bagless vacuums. Assuming that everyone feels the same way about bagless as well as modern cleaners, is like people thinking everyone shares a Christian religion. The atheists go "no, wait, I don't believe that and I'm not going to have it shoved down my throat".

It really bothers me when people talk trash about certain types or brands of vacuums, on a Vacuum Collector forum where all brands and types are to be celebrated.

 

[kirbyloverdan]

Thank you again

Tom this always bothers me since plastic has been around for MANY years used on many vacuums through out history .

I usually just ignore people like this but sometimes we need to stand up for plastic and some bag less machines . I have been stock piling all these plastic vacs NIB so that when future collectors want them I will have them to sell .

Dan

 

[DesertTortoise]

Have to disagree. Bagless is BS, a fad. When I see professional janitorial services and housekeeping staff, particularly in hospitals, ditch their HEPA bagged commercial machines for bagless ones, I might change my mind. But for jobs where productivity and employee health matter, or patient health in a hospital, what do you see? HEPA bagged vacuums, not bagless. Now fire away, the Desert Tortoise has a hard sun baked shell.

Btw, I don't want to nuke my trash cans with dust from a bagless vac. Everything that goes in the trash can is bagged and I wash them periodically so they don't reek in the hot desert sun, the same sun that bakes my shell hard, heh, heh, heh.

 

[super-sweeper]

lol Desert guy, if the dust-cloud is bigger than your thumb, it's time to evacuate!! 

 


Not all bagless and not all plastics are terrible. We still have Filter-Queen and Rainbow as excellent bagless competitors, and we many older vacuums that use durable plastics. think of the older plastic base Eurekas, or even the beloved Convertibles and their plastic hoods. Then we have the rest of the bagless cleaners-ew. then we have the cheapest, most flexible plastic there is (I could name a brand, but you know where I'm going with this!) 

 

[ronni]

I can see Tom's (dysonman1) point about Christianity wrongfully being forced on others; although I would take even it further and say it is wrong for any religion to do so. (Religion is essentially a set of beliefs of the origin of the universe, the purpose of life on earth, the existence of an afterlife, how we aspire to live and interact with others--morally and ethically, and how we correct our mistakes--which includes humanistic and atheistic beliefs.) Nonetheless it is true that each religion regards its world view as superior and desires to convert persons--presumably for their benefit. A person's or group's beliefs would be meaningless if it were to validate those that contradicted its own and compassionately bankrupt if it weren't concerned for unbelievers (e. g. My religion teaches that it is wrong to steal; but since his religion does not I will not impose my belief system on him and even congratulate him on his "acquisitions" when I see them).

Correspondingly, each religion has its own practices. Two examples are faith for the Christian and survival for the atheist. With that in mind, many Christians are being forced to go along with other religious world views including supporting them through taxation and insurance programs. Even though by faith they believe The Holy Bible, authored by God through humans, is the standard for living they are told that it is politically incorrect to say "No, wait ... I don't believe that" when it contradicts their religion. And if they do they're labeled as bigots, old-fashioned, uncaring, and other less complimentary (and inaccurate) terms. It gets even more complicated when religions such as Christianity have subgroups with divergent philosophies (e. g. not all Christians regard the Christian bible as holy).

Everyone has a right to his/her religion and opinion--including the right to disagree with others. It's HOW we disagree that is RIGHT or WRONG.

Applying that concept to the materials used in vacuum cleaners … If I disagree with someone that plastic vacuum cleaners are superior to metal ones and proceed to disparage them or become disrespectful in some other way I've crossed the line of human decency. However, if that person tries to silence me or label me as arrogant (or something else) because of my disagreement then he/she is equally at fault. That doesn't mean that we both can't try to persuade one another of our viewpoint--but that we do so within the boundaries of respect.

A case in point which illustrates the respect of differing opinions is a recent Vacuumland thread titled "Uprights or Canisters?" A variety of perspectives were shared that supported persons' choices, but overall I felt that the disagreements were friendly.

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Btw, "lexan", a thermoplastic polycarbonate, is what Electrolux uses for the bodies of its vacuum cleaners. I'm unsure what type of plastic is used for its electric wands, attachments, and triple-brush cleaners. I am also uncertain if its use began with Electrolux Ltd. (Canada) with its plastic-bodied machines in 1973 or with Electrolux Corporation's Renaissance/Model C104A tank vacuum cleaner in 1994.

 

[suckolux]

Desert Tortoise you sound as ocd and clean freak as me, no wonder I like reading your about your work.

 

[cb123]

Don't get me wrong, I use to like the old plastic Kenmore types, but I always noticed how they would kick up the sand and dirt, and soon it would lie all in stately repose over the top of my vacuum. Why, when you ran it across the rug, directly in front of it, you could see the debris doing "The lord of The Dance!" After which, after I finished vacuuming, I would have to take it outside and hit it with the leaf blower.

ronni...

Oh, that's all atheists can do is to think about God. They love bringing Him up so they can run their mouth and shake their little pigmy fists at Him. Not knowing all the while, that they must first crawl into His lap to slap His face...pitiful. This reminds me of a story about an atheist professor that went to Fiji and was giving a tour of the island by one of its leaders. All the while, the atheist apologized for the horribly Christian missionaries, on account, that he had seen so many ruins of churches all around. The atheist professor went on and on at the mouth, until Alas, the native leader pointed to him and said , " Do you see that big rock over there, that is where we use to bash the heads in of our victims. Do you see that cave over there, that's where we use to cook our victims, after we bashed their heads in. If it wasn't for those Christians, we would be eating you right now!" Upon hearing this truth, the dumbfounded atheist turned white and most wisely shut his mouth. You see, there really can be happy endings!

[this post was last edited: 8/2/2014-20:58]

 

[DesertTortoise]

I wasn't dissing plastic. I like the plastics of some older Panasonic, Kenmore, Hoover canister and Electrolux canister vacs. But my Hoover upright (U5133-940) is cheap in the extreme and my new Kenmore Progressive is only marginally better. Fit is better but materials are not, and neither come remotely close to machines two and three decades their elder in terms of quality and, I suspect, durability.

 

[vacuumssuck213]

plastivacs revised.

I think we caught off track here let me take a moment to say many vacuums I have and many I like are intact made of plastic material plastic is not nessasaraly the problem to me the definition of plastivac is (1) a term used to describe a vacuum of plastic parts or made entire of plastic. Usually of poor quality or craftsman ship. (2) garbage rubish hope this will clear up the intention and my preseption of the world plastivac. In no way do I condem the made from plastic Vacs of quality as a "plastivac"