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My first memory of our family vacuum cleaner was a 1205 Electrolux but I don't remember much after that ( curiously odd to my mind, that fact). My friend, who've I've referenced many times here is a vacuum technician since the 1970's with emphasis on Kirby's as well. He closed his doors this month and gave me several vacs....this model G among them. I"m not a big fan of tanks or canisters, for the most part, even though I own several, but I dig old stuff, as most of you all do as well. This was too nice to trash, so I took it, cleaning the plastic and metal...some good polishing etc, but there is a little plastic repair needed as I seem some cracks on the white power nozzle wand, I"ll get that soon.

So many here think so highly of these older Electrolux's, I had to share it. It works well with no bearing noises....but I still feel the suction /airflow is lacking as I was using a upholstery brush to clean up a mess on my couch. :-/ Thats why I was inquiring about HEPA bags for this machine on a different thread....hoping to keep what airflow it has longer....than a paper bag would. I saw a gold one of these last year at a Thrift shop but I didn't want it bad enough, even though it presented quite well....no accessories. Blue I am a sucker for...and FREE, so I couldn't say no! right??

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Great freebe......

but I wouldn't put a lot of time into that plastic wand, period or not. I have the PN1 that takes the metal tubes. I've never had that plastic wand, so I don't know how it's attached to the PN....maybe it only takes the plastic wand.....dunno.

They crack, they had trouble with them and the reason they went back to metal tubing.

I never cared for the plastic hoses the dealers re-fitted for the G and tying the electric cord back to the hose with those rubber type bands. I thought the whole affair was cheesy, to say the least.

In the early 2000's you could still buy a decent aftermarket hose with the electric built in and an adapter to click the hose to the tank. Really slick setup that I never had any trouble with and used it as my main vac for yrs & yrs.

Then the aftermarket hoses all went Chinesium. Doubtful you can get an original type hose even from Aerus for a Elux that old.

Kevin
 
I'm glad you kept it

They did come out with a bigger motor later in the run, I think when the brown G model was released. I have an AF and switching to an all vinyl hose made all the difference in the world. Nice price, hard to beat free!
 
Actually......

the bronze G started with a stronger motor....distinguished by different color brush holders. Physically, I don't think the motor was 'bigger'.

The bigger motor came with the advent of the Super J.

Kevin
 
Nice

Very nice condition G!

Those plastic power nozzle wands cracked and broke so the design was abandoned. They were mounted directly to the power nozzle. My sister had one and the wand broke to the Electrolux shop changed the neck to the short one that makes the power nozzle able to be taken off the wand and then set her up with The newer metal wand system with plastic sheath and never had a problem since.

Test suction of the hose with and without the hose on the machine. If the suction is far better with the hose off then suction loss is from the hose and you may need a new one. Measure how much air comes out the back when your hand is over the hose end versus just over the suction end of the vacuum with no hose. If there’s no air without the hose and air coming out with the hose on, then the hose is your cause of loss of suction. Sometimes also if the bag isn’t set in just right it can cause a leak at the gasket and you can hear air around the seam of the bag door when it’s closed. There should be no air sound if the bag is in right. The cardboard of the top of the bag for a a gasket between it and the bag compartment. The bag top must be flat and not old and bent.

Glad you are keeping this free gem and if you decide you don’t want it you can always try to sell it here on the supermarket listings or on eBay.

So you have more than just the hose and power nozzle?

Jon
 
Yes, those early PN1's were permanently attached to the wand. Not a great design, IMO. And I'll second what Jon said about the hose. No matter now nice it looks, if it's leaking, it's worthless except as a display piece. The rubber inside deteriorates and gets sucked into the bag and there's really little you can do about it. Kinda sucks (no pun intended) but there you have it. I have a couple of aftermarket electrified hoses with for 1205 and later canisters and have had very little trouble from them. The worst problem I've experienced has been the screws on the underside of the handle coming loose but that is easily solved with slightly larger screws (both length and diameter) that get a better bite into the plastic. The sliding suction control on top of the handle is also a less than ideal design feature but one of those thick, small diameter rubber bands off of a head of broccoli or a stalk of celery is a simple and effective fix.
 
thanks all

I did the test Jon suggested, there wasn't a difference on airflow from the housing opening and the hose end. But, that is with me pushing the housing lid close manually. The photos show there is a slight opening/not sealing.....is this a common problem? Easy remedy? That gap seems to be the only air leak...the hose is fine after inspection and testing suction.

Also, the cracking is at the back base of the PN as shown in the photo, I just don't want it to get worse by breaking off.

I guess the 4 ply paper bags are my only choice for better filtration unless I manually crafted a bag together

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attachments

I did not get any attachments...just the PN and hose, I used another, I think, Electrolux or someother brand, non powered wand and hooked up a floor tool to is. I ordered a new factory style dust/upholstery brush so I didn't have to pull out my Kirby attachments for it.
 
The bag door doesn’t seal

The bag door itself does not create the seal, the backside of the cardboard bag top and the rubber seal of the bag Compartment do as well as the bags rubber seal and also the conical rubber gasket around the air inlet on the inside of the bag door do. That conical gasket keeps the cardboard bag top against the rubber seal of the bag compartment. When you install a bag, stand the cleaner on its hind end and do it that way, this insures that you get the bag properly seated against the rubber bag compartment gasket and close the door still with the the cleaner in that position. Otherwise the bag may not properly seat if installed in the horizontal normal operation position. The conical gasket on the metal inlet tube inside the bag door is what keeps the bag pushed against the inner gasket so the bag door itself does not create a seal. It should definitely be there and if it is not, you will need to get one.

In fact you can run the cleaner with the bag installed but the bag door open by holding the power switch in the on position, it will not stay on with the door open because of a spring loaded plunger that turns the switch off when the bag door opens. It’s all mounted under the top trim and the plunger is located next to the clip for the bag latch. The plunger on the inside of the bag door prevents the bag door from staying closed without a bag installed and hence also prevents the machine from operating without a bag.

If the machine is sealing properly as well as the hose you should get virtually no air blowing out of the back end when testing the suction from both the front of the machines suction opening without the hose installed and also when covering the suction opening of the hose with the hose installed. Since your hose is rubber or plastic it probably is in good shape.

Check to make sure the automatic control system works, it monitors suction before and after the bag. If something has become disconnected it could be causing a leak. To make the automatic control work, set the dial on 1 and it will be most sensitive and should pop the bag door open and shut off the machine to indicate to check for a full bag. 1 is most sensitive to an imbalance of suction of suction due to the bag Clogging and filling with dirt . 6 is the least sensitive setting and will “retard” the operation allowing more dirt to fill in the bag and the cleaner to continue to operate at weak suction from a clogged bag.

A clogged bag will reduce suction. Is the bag a new empty bag? This could be the issue. If someone vacuumed up fine powdery dust and the cleaner is set on 6 it will run but with low suction and the motor will be strained but you could think the bag is empty. Set the dial on 1, if it pops open then try each number going up one at a time. Usually cleaning efficiency suction starts being significantly reduced after number 3 as those higher numbers allow the machine to run with a more clogged bag which creates the less efficient state so best to keep the dial on 3 or 4 for normal cleaning and change the bag if it pops open on those settings. Use a higher number only temporarily to finish a fine dust cleaning job, then change the bag and reset the dial to 3. If you have a lot of shedding pets your normal setting will be a lower number as pet hair doesn’t block suction so the bag will become packed before the suction goes down.

If the automatic control doesn’t activate at all ever on 1 and the bag has a significant amount of dirt in it Then one of the tubes for the automatic control system may be missing or broken or come disconnected. They are easy to fix as it uses clear plastic tubing. Also the sensor could have gone bad. Though I’ve generally found the automatic control system to be relatively non problematic and quite reliable.

Ultimately you should have fabulous suction with a fresh empty bag and if it is installed correctly no air will leak at the gap between the bag door and front of the cleaner.

There is another seal around the motor that could have gone bad but I’d check the above things first. It’s not as common for the rubber baffle of the motor to go bad but it has happened. A loose motor will also affect suction too. If the machine seems to vibrate while winding down when shutting off that’s an indication the motor mount screws have loosened over time. An Electrolux man taught me this.

Jon
 
Thought of something else

If the cardboard of the bag seems to be caving inward this could be compromising the seal of the bag cardboard back against the bag compartment rubber gasket. If the bag was sitting in the machine for a long, long, time and conditions were humid from time to time, the cardboard gives over time. Especially if the bag is generic, the generics don’t have nearly as thick of cardboard tops sometimes causing them to bend and warp over time. It needs to be pretty much completely flat all the way across and definitely not wrinkled or creased near the outer edge. I’ve seen even this happen.

If the bag top is not rigid and flat, replace the bag.
 
I'm not at home for 2 days so I can't check some of things that were offered to me on this issue. I do know the paper bag was basically new and the cardboard was rigid. The motor doesn't sound bad at all on the wind down either. I thought of a seal being the issue since you can see the photos I provided with me pushing on the door/lid so that the metal is flush touching...vs when I didn't and there was a gap. I will inspect it further though Thursday night!
@chris, thanks for the info on bags...those are HEPA and not the 4 ply?
 
At least thats was it says

It says they are h10 5 layer HEPA bags. They look like cloth bags in the pic. Im going to order some myself.
 
I would disassemble it and check the motor and gasket. The fans may also need to be washed. The motor could also be running slow and need new carbon brushes. When I get a new canister I usually disassemble it to the motor and blow out the motor and fans with my air compressor. Usually dust flies everywhere. Most canister motors are usually extremely filthy.
 

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