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[turbomaster1984]

Ask us that in 3 or 4 years time.

Given your own admittance about Dysons ethics you of all people should be wary of his claims.

SO far this cleaner has not been in folks long enough to see if it does clog.

Basic sense to wait and see what happens in a real home with real people really.

 

[turbo500]

Marcus, have you actually used a Cinnetic?


 


Having not used one, I can't name ONE, nevermind another.


 


But that's a little irrelevant. Dyson can add as many cyclone refinements and bells and whistles to the cleaner as they like. The primary function of a vacuum cleaner is to clean carpets, hard floors and furniture and whilst a Dyson will do 2 of those things to an acceptable level, in 22 years, I have yet to find a Dyson that will clean a carpet anywhere near as well as an old Hoover Senior, Electrolux 500, any of the Kirby's or even Goblin Commander's and Moulinex Major's.


 


The fact that it has an efficient cyclone doesn't mean it cleans better.

 

[marcusprit]

I didn't say it did but we were discussing cyclones. The other turbonator said they weren't the most efficient cyclones but they clearly are.
And having no filters to wash will be a good selling point.As no filters to buy or wash is a good thing.

 

[turbomaster1984]

Your pretty poor at reading. I didn't say anything of the sort.

Re read what I said about waiting to see if they clog in a few years time.

No proof that they don't and certainly no proof that a pre motor filter isn't needed.

p.s Im finding your 'turbonator' comments a bit arrogant. I have a name if you can be bothered to check it out.

 

[marcusprit]

If Sebo or Kirby for instance came out with a good innovation people on here would be all over it like a rash but when dyson comes out with something good you just can't bring yourself to give them any credit.
And I'm sorry Rob it was just a joke.

 

[turbo500]

That's not true, Marcus, I've dished out plenty of criticism at both Kirby and Sebo. I've never found a vacuum that isn't deserving of it's fair share of critique.

 

[marcusprit]

Me neither. But I'm always happy to give credit to any company that come out with something good PS Dyson have now replied. Its in my other Dyson post.

 

[spiraclean]

Meh, something being the first of its kind doesn't necessarily imply that it's the best, or even any good. The outhouse earth closet came on the scene way before the modern indoor flush toilet, but I know which I'd prefer.

Look at the DC01 as an example. For the sake of argument I think we can all probably agree it was the first mass marketed vacuum in the UK with two different types of cyclone running in series, but for all that it was still a middling performer at best, even by early 90s standards. An awful lot of uprights we were selling at the time could run rings around the Dyson in terms of hose suction, brush roll agitation and carpet pickup. What the Dyson WAS good at was fluffing up the dirt and putting it on show to make people go Ooooh! At the time it was a novelty, an object of desire, but not automatically any better than the competition by a long shot, despite what the glossy brochure said (so, nothing new there then). They pointed out it had 100% suction, 100% of the time. What they didn't say was that it still had far less suction than a Purepower with a full bag, luckily Hoover had the sense not to let that "accidental" omission slide! I'm only surprised Electrolux didn't seize the opportunity to join the pile-on and give them a spanking of their own.

On the subject of the Cinetic, Dyson will of course have tested this in their labs to beyond buggery and back again, and are probably fairly confident it will perform as advertised. At least I hope that is the case, considering it makes a lot of promises and costs almost half a grand, but as they say in America, some folks could tear up an anvil. Once Joe Public gets his hands on it all bets are off, and they will find ways to screw this thing up that Dyson never even thought of. Yet. Any owner that suffers performance issues with this cleaner that cannot be rectified by simply emptying the bin is going to be absolutely furious, because as far as they are concerned that's all they should have to do with it. The advertising said so, and if it delivers anything less than that promise they will quickly come to the conclusion they'd have been better off buying a Vax, which does everything just as well but for 1/4 to 1/4 of the price.

 

[turbo500]

What they didn't say was that it still had far less suct

That also didn't point out that the 100% suction was reliant on the cleaner constantly having clean filters. The same applies to ALL Dyson's, apart from the Cinnetic. So none of them have 100% suction, 100% of the time because as soon as the filter gets dusty, the suction will decrease.


 


Complete agree about the DC01. It was a pretty crap upright, even the Goblin Laser's on sale at the time had better carpet pick up. But they tapped into a gap in the market and promoted the hell out of it. Clever marketing brought Dyson success and not actual product.

 

[marcusprit]

Well as you say it will have been thoroughly tried and tested. Only time will tell.

As for Vax they are ok i've owned a few of their uprights. Good value for money but i'd much prefer Dyson.

 

[marcusprit]

Chris i've been using the Dc41 for 4 months now and the filter is still extremely clean no loss of suction that i've noticed. But of course in time the suction will decrease and it will need washing, Thats not a problem to me but i may get a Cinetic in the future.

 

[turbo500]

The suction drop may still be negliable and unnoticeable without being computer tested, but it is still there even if you don't notice it.


 


Personally, aside from a few poorly designed machines, I've never noticed any particular suction loss on a vacuum with a full bag and never got the "100% suction" need/claim. I've certainly never found a bagged cleaner to lose enough to hinder the performance of the machine.

 

[marcusprit]

No providing you change the filter at recommended intervals. I change my Miele Hepa every year and the Sebo Felix every 10 bags.

 

[turbo500]

But those cleaners use bags and also don't claim to have no suction loss. It is inevitable that once dust hits the Dyson filter, the suction will decrease, even by an unnoticeable, negligable amount. The only way to stop this from happening is by putting a brand new, unused filter in the vacuum after every use. Even constant washing won't remove all the dust particles in the filter.


 


That's reminded me, I need to replace the S Class filter in my Sebo - thanks . I tend to replace it once a year. 20 bags last for yeeeeeeeaaaaarrsssss and after a year, the filters tend to look quite grubby.

 

[spiraclean]

The 100% suction claim caused a lot of confusion even then, when people were being told at the same time they needed to keep on top of filter changes or else risk losing suction. As I used to tell my customers, the cyclone only replaces the bag, but it does still have filters which work in exactly the same way as those on any other vacuum cleaner. In other words, they will still become soiled, and as a consequence, clog.

This was never mentioned in the brochure or on the TV ads. The first you ever saw it was in the instruction manual, after you'd already paid your money and gotten it home.

 

[marcusprit]

Yes but the cyclones have improved greatly so very tiny amounts of dust will escape from them now so the filter stays clean for long periods I find. and with cinetic nothing above 0.5 microns will get through. As I say after 4 months use if there has been any drop in suction it is miniscule and not affecting performance. Filters also get clogged on bagged cleaners.

 

[marcusprit]

Anyway I've said all this before so I'm just repeating myself which isn't good so I'll say no more on this subject.
I'm happy with my Dyson you're happy with your cleaners happy vacuuming

 

[parwaz786]

The late De rooted Dyson DC07's filters stay SPOTLESS even after a year. I know this because we got our origin on the 3rd January 2014 and it has hardly needed a filter wash TBH, apart from when I used shake n vac with it and the previous owner sucked up plaster, but TBH there's not really any hair etc. These cyclones are pretty good!

The early DC07's however, have inefficient cyclones. I don't really blame Dyson that this needed modifications because it was the world's first multi cyclonic idea. Dyson just launched it and one of the USP's were it's powerful suction from the root cyclone technology.

Regarding the DC01, I disagree with it being a crap vacuum. Not for a collector performance wise, but overall for a normal household, that is just what people want. The nice Dyson design and features (stretch hose, quick release wand, washable filters later on, performance which is good enough to remove all surface dirt and even deep clean a little, bagless, no loss of suction IF you maintain it when they do tell you).

People know about DC01 filters because it is very noticeable when you empty the vacuum. There is red writing that tells you to remember about the two filters which need to be "replaced" every 3 months with a diagram. I remember as a kid my Auntie pulled the filter cartridge out to check it when she finished using it. My family do not care to read the instruction manuals and look after the vacuums, but this was very noticeable, so they knew that is should be done. the white filter would get dusty, so it would either be cleaned or replaced. If the vacuum were to break, that's it. Throw it away and buy a new one.

 

[parwaz786]

A Dyson will never lose suction as long as it is emptied at the max line and has it's filters washed on time.

 

[dys0nb0y]

the dyson kinetic cylinder has bin doing quite well.what i have hear it's no problems and it's been out for quite a while and still no problems.