Electrolux Model 65 - England

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Just reieved this in the mail today - Instruction book for the model 65 Electrolux. Now I just need the vacuum itself :) . Anyone have a 65 that they would like to trade for a Canadian Electrolux?

Doug

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Just for the reference of those that havnt seen a 65 this picture is from the net and is of an earlier model as it has a telescopic wand. Later models had the one piece wand (Which is what is shown in this book.) It was the top of the line cleaner from 1960 to 1965 and was the last of the "Loaf" design machines (models 30, 55, 62)

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Not quite the last .....

Doug

The Lux 80, a marginally updated version of the 65, in navy blue & white would have actually have been the final version.

The 65 shown above is actually not quite right either. You are absolutly correct in your comments about the tool set, hose and wands being the eariest type, but the hose connector is (apparently) not. It looks like the "three peg" type of screw in connector - most, if not all of the 65s use he push-in ball bearing type, similar to that used in USA & Canada. I believe there was an adaptor ring that could be used to convert the push fit to three peg to facilitate the use of replacement hoses.

These cleaners turn up here on ebay almost as regularly as Hoover Constellations, they are amongst the most common vintage cleaners available here

Al
 
Hi Al:

Quite right - I didnt even notice the hose connection. I thought they didnt change that till the model 90 ? I also forgot about the 80 entirely.

Thanks

Doug
 
Model 90

Doug

The hose connection for the model 90 changed through its production run (dont know when) from a push in (different design to that of the 65) to three peg.

The thing I find curious is that the Lux 65 continued from 1960 to 1967 (the 80 having a short run of about 2 years to 1969) and yet from around 1965 or so, they produced the Trident models which have a very close resemblence to the 80, when they could easily have produced the 80 at the same time.

The biggest difference between the 65 & 80 (apart from integrating the cord storage into the rear panel of the machine as the adoption of a flat panel air filter behind the a flat grill, on the 65 it was a moulded shape held behind the chrome plate (also seen as pink plastic) just visible on the back 65 shown above

Al
 
If I am correct the filter on the 65 was the same as those used on the 30, 55 and 62 wasnt it?

Also these machines all still had the removable cord (I'm not certain if the 80 or trident ones did though)
 
Filter

Doug

I would need to check to be sure, but I think it was moulded plastic rather than cloth, but certainly the same shape. The UK versions (including tridents) all had removable cords, the fixed cord only came in with the 91 (80 replacement so MOL) and 87 (77 replacement BOL) models. Interestingly I have a German 65 and the flex is fixed - it attaches in the same place, just not removeable

Al
 
Hello. What is seen here is a very rare attempt at a high-quality repair to the original hose. The 3 peg fitting in the picture is not a genuine part. As already mentioned, an adaptor piece could be fitted to the machine end of the cleaner which converted the hose to the 3 peg fitting. Even though I used to buy these adaptors in, I cannot remember if they were a genuine part or not. I have converted several cleaners in years gone by, and supplied them with a non genuine 3 peg hose. Customer was always happy. What is odd about this 65 is that the hose end must have failed at some point, in order for a repair to be needed. Although I saw many of the early style 90 with this fault, I have never seen a hose end fault on this type of fitting. Usually the customer needed a new hose because the woven hose was losing air, or had sagged at the handle end. I can only think the hose must have become broken where it entered the metal fitting on the one in this picture.
 
Very Interesting!

Interesting to see that the exact same crevice tool and dusting brush were supplied to British Electrolux customers that were seen in America and Canada. And the radiator brush attachment for the crevice tool was also seen in Canada, though not usually in the States (and if anyone has one in turquoise, I'm all ears!).

Bit odd to see them in red; that was never a color available here in the States. But they're obviously the same tools we got, except for the rug tool.
 
Colours

The pink version if probably the most commonly seen as this ceaner was in production so long - 7 years of so. I have seen green versions which were supplied with the Lux 90, brown with the 345 and I THINK black with the 303. To the best of my recollection all the rest were white although Benny has noted in another thread that there was a mustard one too. Oh, and in checking for the picture below the 330 had a coloured one too.

I really miss this combination nozzle, I always considered it a supurb bit of design and if the cleaner has the clip on the back of the suction control on the hose handle (their hose handles were quite long and they only had a single wand about 1 1/2 the length of a "normal" wand) they were so convenient to use.

Benny, thank you for your insight. I wonder if perhaps the original owner used teh hanging loop with the hose connected to the cleaner as was so often shown in the manuals. Over time that could have caused wear and collapse of the hose at the cleaner end. I have not seen this on a Lux myself but on a Hoover 419 which had a similar hanging loop

The picture shows what i am talking about

Al

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Hello and thanks. Yes indeed this would have put wear on the machine end of the hose. The original 90 fitting was a very bad arrangement and one which was never to be repeated, although this cleaner is before my time. No not my time, my time spent involved in repairs. I am sure I read an instruction book which reccomended taking the hose off the machine first, maybe on a later model, but please don't hold me to that, as I never had the same interest as you avid collectors,therefore did not actively keep booklets and instructions. I applaud you for your passion. It was rare to see a box for an upright cleaner, but so many times a boxed cylinder came in for repair and instruction books & other paperwork would often be buried beneath all the squashed packaging. This was where I got to see most of the instruction manuals.

Regarding colour-matching of tools and flexes, all manufacturers seem to repeat this trick again and agian over the years, before reverting to black, white, or grey. History is always repeating itself. The Dyson machines are a casing point as they've come back to grey. I was never involved with manufacturers so I don't know the politics, but I have always assumed that different coloured parts would result in higher costs as the surplass stocks could not be used up on later models.

From the point of view of selling spares, it was rare for a customer to want the same colour. I sold mostly white parts, but did stock black and brown too where possible. Truth was, no one cared really, they just wanted to be able to use their cleaner. I too like the idea of the dusting tool attached to the Electrolux hose handle, but I did find it made the hose more bulky. I think on the whole few customers ever did this and I don't rememeber once being asked where the hook was by someone buying a none genuine replacment hose for their cleaner.
 
Hey Sandy:

The Crevice tool was exactly the same design as used in Canada and very similar to the US. If I remember correctly it first showed up on the 1957 models both in Canada and England then on the 1967 brown model G in the US. The combination brush from England is very different in style but the same in function as the US brush both of which appeared at around the same time (1956/57).

Doug
 
Exhausts

The 65 was the vac I saw most of in peoples houses, it combined the very modern aesthetic with contour and colour and offered the latest designed tools....in fact, my Grans 55 was used with a 65 floor tool, the local electrolux repair guy used to sell the flip over floor tool so upgrading the older vacs to the latest tools...

Doug, The 30 & 55 had the thick fleecy pad which acted as the filter, the 62 & 65 had the rigid box filter which the thin gauze was attached to....

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Lux

Hello Benny, welcome to the club, great to hear your stories from a vac repairer....did you used to sell many replacement filters for the electroluxs etc...in the 60`s to 80`s I never knew many family & friends that regularly replaced filters, always loved the smell of the Lux Z100 at my friends house, but thinking now it was the smell of an over used exhaust filter...Lol

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Hello there Mike and thank you. I must have stocked the filters - that is my honest answer. But I cannot remember much about them and I can promise you they were not what you would call one of my best sellers. My customers came in mainly for two things; bags or repairs. If it was bags they wanted, I had to try and sell up other items like new filters and attachments, even new cleaner. Heck, the customer was there so I may as well use the time as best I could. I rarely had anything to do with what you would call the older Electrolux models, because few people wanted paper dust bags for them, and if they did I would sell them a packet of Hoover junior bags as I was never one for holding too much variation in stock.

If they came in for a new hose for one which was not 3 peg, then I would have to send them home to fetch the front end cap so as to fit the adaptor, and with the removable lead people used to just bring that in to me if it needed replacement. Though many must have done lead repairs at home as I used to sell flex by the meter to lots of people. I used to sell lots of filters for the automatic 330 and 345 as there is a rear filter behind the bag which is never mentioned in the instruction book. It seriously reduces power over time. If there was a whiff of a suggestion that the customer might bring it in for a service then I would cling to that avenue. Failing that I would try to sell filters.

I do remember fitting one new filter to an Electrolux 65 though. Although my reputation locally was one of honesty, I was in business, and there were areas where one had to do what it took to look after the business I was running. Often this meant lying about what was wrong with the cleaner, although I must stress this was not like the cowboys do during a Trading Standards set-up, I mean I would sometimes say there was less wrong with the cleaner than there actually was. Burnt-out motors mainly. Say to a customer that the motor has gone, and that is it. End of story. Most customers won't have it done and even fewer came back to the shop in any great hurry to collect the dead machine, despite paying a deposit. And I would be left with a useless cleaner and time spent testing it. So, on cleaners where stock of 2nd hand motors were easily avaliable, like the Hoover Juniors, I would say it was just a poor connection or whatever, and then stick a 2nd hand motor in and charge for labour & service only.

So, back to the Electrolux 65, someone did once bring one in and the motor had well and truely gone. This was rare for this sort of machine and I knew the customer wouldn't want to pay a lot. Nor did I wish to waste time getting a new motor, fitting the convertor so that it fitted the 65, and all that went with it. So I sent the customer away and then took another 65 from out the back and put the customers front end-cap and mains lead on that. I'd taken a few pounds of a rebuilt cleaner in exchange for this 65 some months earlier, which for some reason had no lead or tools with it, and it sat out the back, I suppose in case it was needed. I put in a new filter and then telephoned the customer to say their cleaner (or what they thought was their cleaner) was ready. They paid the labour & filter charge, and off they went. It must have been at least two years later when it was bought back, with my sticker still on it, to have the mains lead replaced. The customer was very happy both times. So you see, it can be the right thing to do sometimes, everyone is a winner.

Too many people who had shops like mine were not able to view the bigger picture. They would say what was wrong with a cleaner and that would be it, a yes or no to do you want it doing or not. But then I had a good teacher as I had worked with the man who sold me the shop I owned and he would do anything for anyone, but business and money had to come first. I stocked very few genuine parts as no one cared what they bought at the margins on genuine parts were no greater. I also took every chance I had to sell more to the customer once they were inside. I sold a lot of cheap floor tools (the sort which look like the genuine Hoover oval floor tool with soft bristles) for Electrolux cylinders, just by asking the customer how they were finding the one they had. This was because the turn-over tools were liable to fall apart, the large tools like the one for the 65 were heavy and stuck to lino, and the automatic tools with self-moving bristles would always clog up and stick in carpet mode. Once asked, most customer would say that the tools had seen better days.

The pictiure of the Trident cleaner bought back a memory. A sketchy memory at that. They were sent over from Germany to be sold to UK home owners at their front door. I am not sure what the idea was, but I do know they were marketed as being Electrolux cleaners, yet being the very best that Electrolux had to offer. They were more expensive but did offer more as I am sure they came with an enhanced guarentee. In later years they started selling a very smaller compact canister type cleaner which was blue and had the automatic cordwinder. It looked like a small version of the commercial cleaners. The cleaner was no better than any other Electrolux but it was still a very good cleaner and the placement of the motor in relation to the dust bag meant that the cleaner could be very small, even though it had the same motor as the long cylinders. It was a lot easier to pull around but I did repair a couple of them and it was not so easy to get into. These cleaners had a turbine cleaning head. I am not at all certain that earlier Trident models did. I think probably not.
 

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