Electrolux metal body motor weight comparison

[blknblu]

Some pics of the weight difference between an Olympia One motor (similar to Super J) & a later Diamond Jubilee motor.
3rd pic shows them with a plastic body motor.

As you can see, the bag housing has an extension on it, due to the DJ motor being shorter. This actually makes it easier to retrofit a newer Lamb motor than the Olympia One.

 

[blknblu]

For reference, here is the weight of the plastic body Ambassador III motor, with the plastic motor cover on.

 

[blknblu]

and here is the partial motor from my rebuilt Super J.
Motor is very similar to the Diamond Jubilee motor, but the plastic bag housing is just like the super J with no extension.
The armature went on this one.
This was a transition between the Super J and Diamond Jubilee motor.
don't know what metal body this would have come in.

 

[paul]

I read that the last of the Silverados had a different motor, so maybe that's it.

So did the Super Js, Olympia Ones, earlier Silverados, and brown & gray Deluxe Specials all have the same motor?

 

[blknblu]

I actually own a Silverado, I have not opened it up yet.
More thank likeley, the models you mentioned had the same or similar motor.
Those earlier motors had a different way of being mounted, being suspended by bushings. The mounting holes were on the side of the motor.

 

[real1shep]

 


The Super J motor was uniquely its own. It was bigger than anything Electrolux had used previously. They spent over a million dollars back in the day to refurbish their plant just to make the motor and extend the metal canister body a bit to accommodate it. After the Super J, Electrolux started to outsource their motors. To my knowledge, only the Super J's had that bigger/longer motor.....it didn't carry over into newer models.


 







 


You can't mix & match armatures, brushes and stators with the Super J motor.


 







 


Kevin


 







 


 

 

[blknblu]

I knew that. did not see the Super J in his list.
I actually had/have most of the models from the 1205 to the Dimanond Jubilee & UltraLux classic including the Super J, Olympia One % Silverado.

 

[paul]

Still looking for an answer to my question in reply #3. Tig21er? Dysonman1, Rugsucker? Anyone?

 

[real1shep]

I was answereing.....

this:<a name="start_33288.363388"></a>So did the Super Js, Olympia Ones, earlier Silverados, and brown & gray Deluxe Specials all have the same motor?


 


The Diamond J reputedly has the first completely outsourced motor. This motor was dropped after the Diamond J and another outsourced motor used, so I've been told....however, the particulars of the motors after the Diamond J, I don't know.



 


Kevin

 

[paul]

"After the Super J, Electrolux started to outsource their motors."

Thanks, Kevin. Your statement above confused me, because I knew the outsourcing didn't begin until after the Silverados--or possibly at the end of their production.

 

[blknblu]

Per Electro Motor's website:

"Our History:

Electro Motor purchased the motor business from Aerus, LLC (formerly known as Electrolux, LLC), and took operations on July 1, 2002. This former Electrolux motor business has built high quality floor care motors for over 60 years. This tradition of motor design and excellence with an emphasis on durability, quality, and exceptional customer support continues with the new Electro Motor ownership."
http://electromtr.com/about.htm
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It is very obvious when you look at the motors which are Electro Motor's.
They have a plastic cap on the end of them, and the brush holders just pop out.
The carbon brushes on the Diamond Jubilee's are the same as the Electro Motor's sold today. It is cheaper to obtain brushes for an Electro Motor than ones that specifically state for electrolux Diamond Jubilee. They are the same brushes, just no markup.

 

[paul]

@ blknblu ... Very interesting. So did Aerus make the VM3 motor first used around '04 in the Lux Guardian and Lux 6000 upright or did Electro?

Fyi ... Tig21er mentioned in another thread that Aerus has gone back to manufacturing its cleaners at its Bristol factory after outsourcing to The Eureka Company in 2003. I took for granted that that included the motors but maybe not.

@real1shep ...

Just to clarify, here's a timeline of the models we're talking about:

1975-79--Super J, model L (manual)
1979-82--Oly 1, model 1453 (manual)
1982-84--Silverado Deluxe, model 1453 (manual)
1984-87--DJ, model 1453 (manual)

 

[paul]

Just found on evacuumstore.com:

"18. October 2011 06:43
The VM3 motor was used in the following Aerus models: Classic, Legacy, and [l]ater model Guardian vacuum [c]leaners. The VM3 [m]otor has been replaced with the JEI motor which requires a slightly different installation process."

 

[paul]

JOHNSON U-8225 Motor

from evacuumstore.com ...

"When it comes to Electrolux upright replacement motors and Electrolux upright switches, most have remained fairly consistent from 1985 through the present, with the exception of the model U129Q [Lux Commercial]. After looking around the internet for any useful information on model U129Q, we realized a post on this topic was needed to clear some things up.

The Electrolux model U129Q came with a Johnson built motor, some of the markings on the motor are as follows: JOHNSON u-8225 120v 60hz 7.4A 705Q50006600 10Q0051 CLA and on the fan housing: 1000051 3M3202.

In the left hand image below you see the upper motor (suction motor) from an Electrolux model U129Q on the left and a replacement motor for the normal 1985 to present upright Electrolux models to its right. Also in the right hand image is the U129Q switch. The difference is clear and unfortunately if your U129Q motor has failed, there is no available replacement motor or switch."

From an eBay listing: Fits Aerus Guardian That Used The Johnson U8228 Motor
5 Inc Diameter With A Taper Intake Hole
Single Fan Motor
Fits Aerus 9000 Canister

 

[blknblu]

I opened up my Silverado to take a look at the motor.
other motor is an Ametek Lamb I will be putting in something.

 

[real1shep]

The folks that sold these back in the day and worked at Electrolux have said that the Diamond J series contained the first fully-outsourced motors. That would make the <a name="start_33288.363629"></a>Oly 1, model 1453 and the Silverado Deluxe, model 1453 some sort of in-house or quasi-in-house motors, correct?


 


 <a name="start_33288.363621"></a>Thanks, Kevin. Your statement above confused me, because I knew the outsourcing didn't begin until after the Silverados--or possibly at the end of their production.



 


Not having owned those two models yet, I got my timeline a little screwy, sorry!



 


Kevin

 

[tig21er]

Outsource motor

Super J to Silverado used the same made in house motor. The only outsource during the Super J run was due to a fire at factory in the armature part of factory. The first recall of the Super J was on the K------S series( serial numbers). The armature was replaced as well as the carbon brushes. The outsource company was not up to Electrolux standard.
As far as the Diamond Jubilee the motor was not outsourced but made at the Piney Flats factory of Electrolux in Virginia. The motors had a problem in the western states where high heat was. Modifications were made to the commutator and other places in the motor and referred as HP motor . If a person had a problem in that first motor they were replaced free.
The motors on the early Specials were not the same as Super j to DJ .The armature and Carbon Brushes were same as 1205. Making the motor shorter and less powerful. The motor on DJ color Special is DJ style motor but not the power.

 

[paul]

Thanks for setting the record straight, John.

So, did the last Silverados have the same motor as the DJs, or did all the Silverados have the same motor?

I'm also wondering if you have a list of pre-1984 serial #s that would show the months/years of production. I called Aerus's main office, but their records apparently don't go that far back. Someone mentioned that there were lists of serial #s according to production that were published back in the day for rotating the stock, so that older stock was sold first. You mentioned in another thread that your dad was a Electrolux salesman in the 1950s, so I thought maybe you'd still have his paperwork.

By the way, do you have any idea where I could get some OEM used PN-1s, cords, tools, & hoses for 2 model CBs I have?

 

[tig21er]

silverado motor

never changed. DJ -60th anniversary machine had new motor. My Dad sold 1949- 1983.I am on 61st year of vacuum cleaner repair,thanks to Dad.
Somewhere I have a pamphlet I was given about HP Motor.
Branches kept track of their stock and did put out oldest 1st. We were responsible to keep machines and boxes in new condition. Old timers had no problem but newbies didn't really care because they didn't plan to work long.