Electrolux G 88/89 Replacement Electric Hose

[drewdlekins]

Hi folks! First post here. Nice to find a forum on old vacuums that's frequented by other enthusiasts.

I've got several machines in various states and I'm more of a practical collector than a museum collector, both for space and monetary reasons. I was given two Model G machines, an 88 and an 89 as seen in the picture, both have electric plugs for a power head. I'd like to use them both (different colour depending on my mood, because why not?) however both came with weave style hoses and they leak really bad, especially right by where they connect to the canister.

Anyway, I've found non-electric hoses with the right connector (forgive me I have no idea what the style is called but it's different than the plastic LE machine I own), but electric is harder. Apparently after the G models Big E built the electrical contacts into the hose end instead of using a pigtail, but the physical hose connector remained the same, so this is the hose I see a lot of online. I've found one, maybe two, listings for a replacement hose with electrical pigtail and a matching canister connect, but I have no idea if they're any good.

For a weekly use kind of schedule, what would you fine folks do? I've read you can seal up the hoses with various methods but I'm not sure I'm ready for the mess. If I could use these machines with their full power connected to my PN-2 head I'd be super stoked.

If this question has been asked before, apologies. Glad to hear your suggestions. Thanks.

 

[kirbylux77]

Drew

If you already have these straight suction hoses for your Electrolux 88 & 89, what you can do is buy a set of cord straps & a Rainbow Outboard Cord, for the D4 model. That gives you a hose cord with a plug on one end & a receptacle on the other. The other option you could do, if you know how to repair stuff yourself, is if your 89 hose has the plastic machine end & pigtail cord, you can buy a genuine Electrolux plastic canister hose, take off it's machine end, & transplant the 89 end onto your new hose, in essence making a new hose for your vacuum.

I have linked the parts for the cord straps & Rainbow Outboard Cord if you decide to give the first option a try. Hope this helps you out.

Rob

http://www.goodvac.com/AFT_Cord_Strap_for_D3_D4_p/r-prt-78560561.htm
http://www.goodvac.com/Aftermarket_extension_cord_R_p/r-prt-pn-ec.htm

 

[compactc9guy]

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Now this is interesting if i could find a new motor and hose for my model 86 whit power head id be set yall keep me posted

 

[paul]

You can repair your braided hoses. I used a liquid product called Rubber Dip (aka Plasti Dip). The toughest part for me was removing the goose-neck grip ends. I got them off using an ice pick to remove the retaining rings.

Here are the directions I followed: http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?22656

By the way, Model G was a US model which was similar in design to your Canadian models. It was produced from 1960-68.

Your red model ZB88 (Jamaican bronze) one was produced from 1957-68, and the ZB89 (moss green) was produced from 1968-70 (the 89E with the electric hose ran from 1970-73).

Also, check out this website from another Canadian, Doug Smith: http://smithcollection.altervista.org/

 

[drewdlekins]

Thanks so much for the responses!

Paul, thanks for redirecting me to smithcollection. I could not for the life of me remember where that site was, and that's where I got the preliminary information/vague dates of the two machines some time ago. However, I thought the G was the same as these, very cool to find out they are unique Canadian machines. "Jamaican Bronze" is one hell of a cool name for this colour. Both machines have a fair amount of scuffs and scratches, the picture doesn't show it well, and if I could ever paint-match the colours I'd give them a sand down and touch up. Redo the beige details in the lettering too. I'll correct my signature/profile with the information you provided. Thanks for this! I'll read into the plasti-dip procedure and see if I can get a handle on it.

Compactc9guy, I have two great shops near me and I'll keep an eye out for what you're after. These two E's came from AAA Vacuum Doctor in Nanaimo. They said parts are hard to source now on a reliable basis so they don't resell or guarantee machines this age anymore. That's how I got mine free. Right place at the right time.

Kirbylux77, thanks for the tip! I was wondering if anyone sold the power extension cable as this could be used with a straight hose/chrome pipes setup and zapstraps I suppose. Not a great look, but functional. I'll keep it in mind. I don't have the standard suction hose yet, just the two weave hoses and a vinyl hose for the LE which of course will not fit. I would be totally up for the "transplant" procedure as I have the plastic connector on the end of the electric hose that fits flush to the 88/89's face, with indents for the rubber bumpers and everything. Would love to keep that part if I could and there's nothing wrong with the pigtail (although this could be easily replaced I suspect). Would you recommend any particular vinyl/power Electrolux hose for this conversion?

I could butcher the LE's hose I suppose. But the LE is soon to be dispatched to mom's apartment as she doesn't have a good machine right now, so unless that plan dissolves, it's kind of spoken for.

 

[collector2]

Hey Drew. The red and white powernozzle was used with both the 86 and 88. They never did have a power hose. It was always the cord down the outside of the hose. Power hoses didnt come out till half way through the run of the 89.

(And yes smithcollection.altervista.org is my site)

Doug

 

[drewdlekins]

Hi Doug!

Your site is incredible. In the group picture I posted you may have noticed I have the correct hose for the ZB88 (red with the white stripe like in your pictures). I would have no issue with an external cord on a replacement hose for instance, or the red one if I can get it fixed using the above methods, but the Rainbow/Rexair replacements that were linked above are black. And replacement hoses are ivory/white. So kinda ugly even for a practical usage case.

My powerhead I *believe* is a PN1/PN2, in dark green, similar to one of your pictures of a late model ZB89 and that's where the weave electric hose must have come from as well. I don't mind if the powerhead is green and the vacuum is red for daily use. Or I may just get a non-electric hose for the 88 and set up the 89 for electric duty to keep them closer matched.

Having a nice sleek ivory power hose on the ZB88 would be nice but ideally to keep it looking close to original I need to find a Jamaican Bronze PN1/PN2 head. I have most of the other attachments for the ZB88 in the correct colour save the crevice tool.

Thanks for pointing that out about the hose. The search continues.

 

[collector2]

Hey Drew

Thank you. I've put quite a bit of work into the site. It makes a good reference.

If you check with the vacuum shops they can get ivory hose cords.

The red / white powernozzle was a PN1. The lime green one (same style) was the PN 2. The Lime green Powernozzle with the elbow that could be put straight up was the PN 3 and the Dark green powernozzle was the PN 4.

 

[drewdlekins]

Ah, that would make mine a PN4. Dark green with the little metal strip and "Electrolux" in cursive justified left? I'll get a picture.

I've seen brown/bronze/silver colored heads that look like they belong with the 1205 and later models. The PN1 was the only color match to the Jamaican Bronze ZB88?

The plot thickens.

 

[collector2]

Take a look at my web page - it shows what power nozzles went with what machines

 

[paul]

No problem, Drew.

Doug, were the motors in the models ZB83, ZB86, 87(ZB & E), ZB88, 89 (ZB & E) the same as the G? If not, what was the wattage or amps? I'm interested in knowing about other motors in the Canadian line, too.

Also, did Canada ever make a hospital version of the 80-series?

 

[felix1stv]

electrolux 88/89

do these vacuums use the standard nonelectric hose like for L..e...and so on can not tell from the pictures can not see front of units.....
Ron

 

[kirbylux77]

Paul, the motors used in the Canadian Electrolux 80-series were NOT the same motors as the American Electrolux Model G used. The 80-series motor was a 5.0-amp, double stage motor produced at Electrolux Canada's plant in Pointe Claire, Quebec. When you compare it to the power a Model G produces, the 80-series is a LOT more powerful in comparison, & when put on a waterlift gauge usually pulls about 80" Waterlift. That same motor was modified for use in the 1970's in the AP100, 200 & 280, & modified once again in the early 1980's for the E2000. I personally feel that motor used in the 80-series is one of the best double-stage canister motors ever produced....nearly impossible to kill that motor!

And no, Electrolux Canada never did produce a "Hospital G" like version of the 80-series....there was no need for it. The 80-series, when first introduced, did have a rather thick after filter.

 

[collector2]

Yep Rob is quite correct. The Canadian Electrolux's all had the exhaust filter built in, while it was removed from the machines in the US after the model AE. Speaking of use in hospitals, our hospital here used a model 89 for years to clean the main waiting area (It was one of the few sections with carpet)



Ron - no the Canadian Hose connection is totally different from the US hose connection.

 

[paul]

Doug,

Thanks for the information. So did the modified 80-series motors have more amps?
Were they ever used in the US cleaners when the US & Canada companies merged?

Regarding hospital use, I noticed in my ZB89 manual that there was a special filter called the Diffusor which was made for them, so your hospital's ZB89 was probably equipped with one.

 

[collector2]

Hey Paul

No the Us never used Canadian motors.

Yes the last of them in the E2000 and the early 2100's were a more powerful motor but I couldn't say what the amperage was off the top of my head.

The same filter was used in all the 80 series machines.

Doug

 

[paul]

Doug,

My manual lists two different filters: the Elux Air Purifying filter, and the Diffusor.

 

[collector2]

Hi Paul:

I went through the manuals and found the one you are referring to. That appears to be the only one that mentions that though. Wonder what they were like.

Doug

 

[paul]

I hope you'll be able to get at least one at some point. I'm wondering if it would have been something like the USA's hospital filter or the CB filter made of the same material?

Come to think of it, were the regular after filters used in Canadian Electroluxes the same as the ones in the USA Electroluxes?