Dyson knows....

[szymonrules]

Hey guys, went on my facebook today and saw this... what do you think?

 

[gsheen]

Dyson tried to sue but lost the battle, personally I think it looks more like a dc05 than 02 

 

[gsheen]

Funny thing is is that Vax was very proud of itself for winning the Court battle, Proud that its copying 15 year old tech ??? It would have been more interesting if they had copied the dc23 or even the dc19 and won that battle

 

[lunchboxsean]

The aesthetics of the machine are probably not part of the lawsuit. A lot of canisters look like that these days. What was probably in the lawsuit was the cyclonic technology.

 

[oreck_xl]

Personally, I think they should have the DC02 next to the Fantom Lightning. The two look even more alike...

- Hershel

 

[twocvbloke]

Vax also have the multi-cyclone dohicky design too in their uprights:



http://www.vax.co.uk/shop/product/u...ess-upright/Air-Force-2-Total-Home-U89-MAF2-T

 

[twocvbloke]

And their cylinder models have it too:



http://www.vax.co.uk/shop/catalogue/cylinder-vacuum-cleaners/air-bagless-cylinder

 

[szymonrules]

@twocvbloke,

Right, and we have the Hoover Windtunnel Air here in the US.

 

[twocvbloke]

Yup, same vac, different name (the TTI effect)...

 

[lunchboxsean]

Ok, so... Fantom was the first vacuum company created by James Dyson. Fantoms have a lot of the same technology and minor design features of Dysons because the same guy made them both. If you look at a Fantom, the black and the sharp edges don't exactly harken to a Dyson, but when you look at things like the hose on a Fury or Cyclone, it's essentially the same as Dyson hoses are. I don't think he would sue himself.

 

[twocvbloke]

"I don't think he would sue himself. "

It wasn't him suing himself, he was suing other manufacturers for making bagless vacs based on his cyclone design...

I think my dad used to have a vac with one of the bagless vacs that was sold just before they were forced to withdraw them from sale, possibly an Electrolux though I can't really recall... :&#92

 

[gsheen]

It was the Hoover hurricane that got pulled from the market due to James suing hoover

 

[twocvbloke]

Ah, wasn't a Hoover my dad had, I think it might have been a bagless Electrolux "The Boss" model, the only real thing I remember about it was it had a terrible whine at a specific frequency from new, you could hear that thing throughout the whole house, really irritating sound... :&#92

But then, most modern high-wattage motors tend to have whines or squeals that really get my goat, cos I have rather sensitive hearing and certain frequencies, like those produced by cheap vac motors, physically hurt, which ain't nice... :S

 

[gsheen]

Non of the electrolux bagless machines were ever pulled from the market due to dyson suing, but those boss bagless machines did have a terrible whine and not very good filtration at first untill they improved it a bit

 

[baglessball]

And a crap cyclone in them! Well, the first stage was, and the bearings in the brush rolls would always go!

Wasn't it a Hoover vortex? Not a bad machine, no dyson though! Haha.. I remember there selling point was 'no filter replacement'. As DC01's filters had to be replaced. Even some really early DC04's did too' Dyson soon fixed that!

I pretty sure that I read somewhere that the reason other company's had started copying dysons multi-cyclonic technology is because dyson didn't patent against the multi-cyclone being above the first main cyclone. Like how the multi-cyclones sit on a DC07 rather than inside a DC14's shroud. If you notice all other 'multi-cyclonic' machines cyclone units are taller because of this. They all jumped on that band wagon!

Personally I think the ZEN looks more like a DC05, look at where the hose connects, plus you can see the dirt in the middle chamber, like a DC05. I havnt had a ZEN apart though, so I do t know where filters an things are located!

It would be interesting to see those documents!!

 

[eurekaprince]

Just a note about Fantom and Dyson:

The Regina/Iona Appliances factory in Welland, Ontario legally bought the rights to the British Dyson cyclonic technology to design, produce and sell bagless 110 volt Fantom vacuums for the North American market. The US office was not far away in Buffalo, New York. That's why the Fantom canisters look so similar to the Dyson canisters.

Dyson started bringing their own 110-volt cyclonic vacs to Canada and the USA only after Fantom Technologies closed. I think the company went bankrupt sometime after 2002 or 2003.

 

[mysterymanbob]

quick question,
who ripped off of dyson first?
was it the 'Amway clear trak?', or the vax?

 

[baglessball]

Hoover UK.. Well yeah VAX (tti)

 

[twocvbloke]

"who ripped off of dyson first? "

It was the people who travelled through time into the future, took the cyclonic design and went back to their own time and made industrial cyclonic vacuums that work on the same principle as JD's "creation", just without all the excessive pipework...

(Plagiarism? What's that??)