Dyson DC 41 MK11

[madaboutsebo]

You certainly can not beat SEBO for bagged vacuum cleaners!

I dont like the look of the DC50 brushroll think the full length nylon brushes are to thin compared to the normal brush turfs and I think they are not as stiff as other brushrolls. They could put a carbon fibre strip at the back of the soleplate to help reduce static on hard floors!

 

[sebo_fan]

See, I quite like the look of the combo brushes that Dyson have added here - they're not original - but rather reminds me of the first Electrolux Ergorapido ZB271 I owned back in the 2000s.

As you can see, the thin brush roll was made up of squeegee rubber strips and then paint brush like bristles. It was useless on carpets unless the rubber squeegee strips were taken out (and either could be done for cleaning purposes). What the ZB271 lacked was mains power and extra suction power, both of which the Dyson DC50 has.

Im all for soft bristles with a home full of wool carpets.

 

[super-sweeper]

lol Sebofan, you beat me to it, I was about to call un-original on Dyson! 

 


I hope that those brushes are for hard-floor use only, those bristles look like they wouldn't stand a chance on carpeting! but who uses an upright on hard floors? I have my Kenmore follow me anytime the tile needs a clean-up! 

 

[dys0nb0y]

 

[super-sweeper]

Yikes, how big is the brushroll in that cleaner head? looks huge, doesn't look good for airflow. i can imagine that would jam pretty easily if you ran over a pen or something! 

 

[parwaz786]

Lol then blame the Panasonic icon for the brush roll idea, it even ran slower!

 

[cb123]

Looks like it could spell a possible MONTER JAM....gridlock at its very finest!

 

[suctionselector]

Hang on

BLAME the Panasonic Icon? Blame it? The fact it was slower was a GOOD thing! The faster the brush spins the less deep down the brush agitates! The fact it went slower was a good thing.

 

[sebo_fan]

Actually I clean hard floors with a moving brush roll all of the time - unless the model I'm using has a brush roll on/off that actually works well with both functions. Here's where the joys of TTI's Vax Mach Air spring to mind again! Brush roll was terrifically soft, yet on hard floors with the brush roll off, impossible to move as it sucked down on the hard floor. Like moving a bag of potatoes with your feet!

 

[parwaz786]

I know, LOL but the faster it goes, the lesser the chance of it getting jammed, with similar brushbars
I do like the Panasonic Icon though

 

[tolivac]

Hard floors and spinning brushes--NOT GOOD-this can scratch the finish on the flooring esp hardwoods.Best to shut the roll off. The brush can kick larger things around rather than allowing the vacuum cleaners suction-airflow to pick them up.And on ceramic tile floors-the harder surface of the tile will wear the bristles on the brushroll.

 

[parwaz786]

They wont scratch the flooring, brooms use the same material- nylon bristles
They only say to turn the brushbar off because it scatters, but I never experienced that with the machines I used

 

[sebo_fan]

The only way a brush roll can damage hard floors in my experience is if the sole plate itself is damaging OR a beater bar like the old classic Hoover uprights. From exposed metal grids set across the brush roll to anything that sits on the sole plate means it isn't all that suitable for natural hard wood floors.

Not all brush rolls are the same though, Tolivac - some are made to clean tile and to withstand the wear and tear. Most EU vacs I have tried this year tend to have softer bristles and are able to clean hard wood and tile without damage.

 

[tolivac]

Nonetheless,won't use a brushroll vacuum to clean hard floors-carpets only.

 

[turbo500]

the lesser the chance of it getting jammed

What in the name of sanity are you talking about? Less chance of it getting jammed if it spins slower, how the hell did you get that?

The slower brushroll meant it groomed the carpet pile better and got deeper into the fibres without ripping them up, which on first impressions, is exactly what Dyson have done with the DC41mk2 and the reason it's proving to be a very good upright.

 

[marcusprit]

Dyson have increased the power on the brushroll by 25% it spins faster to clean deeper into the carpet.

 

[parwaz786]

No, I said the faster it goes, the lesser the chance of it getting jammed. Its obvious!
Plus the new brushbar design and brushbar motor spinning fast is the reason why the new DC41 agitates the carpet

 

[super-sweeper]

Hmmm, I think the faster-spinning brush would just give less time for a jam to take place. Faster spinning can cause carpet damage (I've read horror stories of carpets being MELTED, the cheap kind, by, well, guess! 

), carpet damage = melting or loose threads, loose threads or melting = jams! 

 


Either way, all brushes will jam. It all depends on design, the perfect pebble can bring a Hoover Convertible to it's knees, a sock can cause a Dyson to fry a motor, a thread can melt a Bissell's brush (Seen one melted to the point that the central rod of the brush was HALF AN INCH off from where it usually is! 

).

 

[parwaz786]

Dyson clutches belts are fitted with a mechanism which will cause it to make a ratchets noise instead of breaking the belt. The clutch less models have a belt snap which is easy to replace. The dysons with motorised brushbars have a reset button

 

[jaker15]

Funny you mention that

super-sweeper, I had the brush on my Wards Signature stop a couple of times once when I was cleaning, so I opened up the base plate, and what did I find? A piece of gravel from the road stuck between the belt and groove on the brush roll!

 

[super-sweeper]

oooooo, WARDS you said? You should totally post a thread.....reminds me of something i bought today!! 

 

[jaker15]

I will

post a video this evening or tomorrow, whenever I get the chance. I'm really lazy right now, lol.

 

[blakaeg]

Parwaz,

That's not correct. My DC24 doesn't have a reset button. This head spins slower than the older DC24 heads and it cleans just as well.

 

[parwaz786]

Oh, I forgot about that updated cleaner head, I wonder what happens if the brushbar on that gets jammed :/ it will either break or get automatically reset?not sure

 

[super-sweeper]

Well whatever it does, It'll send you running back to your Kirby, of course! 

 

[marcusprit]

Haha after using this Dyson there will never be any going back to the poor old Kirby

 

[sptyks]

Well Marcusprit, you'll be eating those words in about 2 yrears from now after the Kirby Avalir is a huge success and Kirby has sold many thousands of them. People will be dumping thier Dysons in droves to get ahold of the Avalir.

 

[marcusprit]

Haha as I've said before Kirby's are very well built reliable excellent performance on carpet but my wife found them too heavy to carry upstairs too bulky to manoeuvre around furniture and very noisy. But in a large home I'm sure they work very well providing you have ear defenders handy

 

[madaboutsebo]

While Kirby and the new Kirby Avalir are great vacuum cleaners and the new Avalir may be successful especially in America.

In the UK and probably parts of Europe people are leading more and more busy life styles be it family orientated or socially and spending a lot of time cleaning is not high on the list as it used to be years ago. That's not saying some don't spend some amount of time cleaning. People want quick, fast, effective cleaning that takes little or no time to keep theirs homes clean and tidy with minimal effort. Something that is lightweight too. That's why cordless vacuums have become more popular of late in the UK. They want convience, people don't want to be using their big vacuum cleaners with several attachments they have got to be changing to do a task, well not all the time. I noticed this reading online reviews UK users have posted. Some say their full size vacuum hasn't been used since using a cordless vacuum or a lighter corded vacuum. While they may or may not be as effective as some full size vacuums some will say, that's what people in the UK seem to want, light easy to use, cheap to maintain and run and quick and effective. Plus the bagless craze in the UK is still at large too.

That's not saying complete homecare systems like Kirby don't have there place.

Only time will tell as usual.

 

[super-sweeper]

Woohoo, let's throw a pool party, and have time left to Kirby up the mess! Take a holiday and join us,MadAboutSebo! The Kirby is waiting, and so is the sparkling lemonade!