Dyson: Can they really live up to what they say?
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kirbyeureka95
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i think dysons work relatively for the price, and they are some of the best bagless machines. i like my mieles alot better than my dysons, but they either dont have the same features (such as a powerhead) as the dyson and are they same price, or have similar features and cost twice as much
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Erm, what "tests" were these? Just sounds like you're trying to stir up a Kirby vs. Dyson battle... wonder which brand the fair-and-balanced-as-Fox-News forum will side with!!!
Suction power, cleaning performnce, easiness to use, (dyson won that one), convenience, and price (dyson won those two.) But kirby won: cleaning performance, suction power, and easiness to use. (its self propeed and the dyson i was using wasnt. But i think cleaning performance is the most importnt.
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But i think cleaning performance is the most important...
...agreed! You have to bear in mind that the Dyson is a fraction of the price of the Kirby. In some cases (NOT ALL!), it is true that you get what you pay for. Personally, I only have 2 problems with Dyson - I find emptying and cleaning the filters messy, and the brushroll is utter garbage - it has the deep cleaning power of a worn baby's hairbrush (although I understand the US machines are better for deep cleaning)
...agreed! You have to bear in mind that the Dyson is a fraction of the price of the Kirby. In some cases (NOT ALL!), it is true that you get what you pay for. Personally, I only have 2 problems with Dyson - I find emptying and cleaning the filters messy, and the brushroll is utter garbage - it has the deep cleaning power of a worn baby's hairbrush (although I understand the US machines are better for deep cleaning)
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The Dyson doesn't need to be self-propelled because it weighs so much less!
Could you share a little more detail about how you've arrived at your conclusions?
Could you share a little more detail about how you've arrived at your conclusions?
DysonAnimal
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Chris - which Dyson brushbar are you talking about? The current upright range uses at least 3 different designs. Ask Jon to show you his Overdrive sometime 
turbo500
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Dyson brushroll...
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Kirby brushroll...
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Now, using common sense, which one of these brushroll's is going to clean better?
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Nice pics... what are you trying to demonstrate? Carpet cleaning depends on a number of factors:
- suction
- airflow
- bristle stiffness
- bristle length
- tuft arrangement
- carpet type and pile length/density
- drive system (direct drive, belt, cogged belt, etc)
- rotation speed
- torque
For all these reasons, you can't just post a pic and expect people to be able to make a judgement based on that! Following that logic, I guess an Oreck will outclean the Kirby?
- suction
- airflow
- bristle stiffness
- bristle length
- tuft arrangement
- carpet type and pile length/density
- drive system (direct drive, belt, cogged belt, etc)
- rotation speed
- torque
For all these reasons, you can't just post a pic and expect people to be able to make a judgement based on that! Following that logic, I guess an Oreck will outclean the Kirby?
That dyson brushroll is prone to breaking-- The guy at the vac shop told me that dyson brushrolls break real easy, and he cant count how many times he's had to put a new brushrollon a dyson because the it broke. As fo the kirby, on the other hand, has a strong wooden brushroll thats nextto impossible to break.
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Actually Jack, the Oreck brushroll, in my experience, is pretty excellent. The Oreck has so little suction so the brushroll has to make up for that and it does pick up surface little pretty effectively. Don't be mistaken though, I still don't like Oreck lol.
As for the 2 pics above, you can clearly see that the Dyson uses very short and sparsely spaced bristles - the Kirby uses longer, thicker and very dense bristles. Like I said, any fool can clearly see which brushroll is going to have better deep cleaning action and better grooming of deeper pile carpet. With all Dysons statistics and impressive use of ever-changing technology, a half decent brushroll seems to have missed them completely. I've seen carpet sweepers that could groom a carpet more than that lol.
As for the 2 pics above, you can clearly see that the Dyson uses very short and sparsely spaced bristles - the Kirby uses longer, thicker and very dense bristles. Like I said, any fool can clearly see which brushroll is going to have better deep cleaning action and better grooming of deeper pile carpet. With all Dysons statistics and impressive use of ever-changing technology, a half decent brushroll seems to have missed them completely. I've seen carpet sweepers that could groom a carpet more than that lol.
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Why wood? Were they all out of granite?
When you say "break", how so? A metal axle runs all the way through, so it's not like it snapped in half!
You still haven't answered my previous question about how you arrived at your "test" results...
When you say "break", how so? A metal axle runs all the way through, so it's not like it snapped in half!
You still haven't answered my previous question about how you arrived at your "test" results...
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Well, I guess I'm just a fool, then! How lucky you are to be able to 'see' how well appliances will work. Have you sought work with any vac companies, you could save them a fortune on RDD!
turbo500
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Yeh, alright! No need for that! It's just my opinion Jack! You don't have to take criticism so personally, you know. It seems "open discussion" isn't quite that anymore.
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'..any fool can clearly see...'
I stated:
'Following that logic, I guess an Oreck will outclean the Kirby?'
You said you liked the Oreck brushroll, but you didn't say that you felt the Oreck outcleaned the Kirby. Why? Because there's more to cleaning carpet than the brushroll alone, which was the point I was trying to make.
And yes, if you imply I'm a fool for having a different opinion to you, I will respond in kind.
I'm not censoring your opinion or anyone else's. If there was only one way to make a brushroll, why doesn't every manufacturer use the same one?
I stated:
'Following that logic, I guess an Oreck will outclean the Kirby?'
You said you liked the Oreck brushroll, but you didn't say that you felt the Oreck outcleaned the Kirby. Why? Because there's more to cleaning carpet than the brushroll alone, which was the point I was trying to make.
And yes, if you imply I'm a fool for having a different opinion to you, I will respond in kind.
I'm not censoring your opinion or anyone else's. If there was only one way to make a brushroll, why doesn't every manufacturer use the same one?
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Nothing to break up!
If someone shares an opinion - that's wonderful and very welcome, but others have the right to ask 'Why? What leads you to that conclusion?'. Particularly if that opinion is being presented as unquestionable fact.
The last thing I'd ever want is to censor or stifle discussion on this forum, but if I'd started a thread saying 'I've done some tests, and Dyson is DEFINITELY better than Kirby', or 'Dyson is the best of all the vacuum cleaners', I don't think people would have stayed quiet about that. The word 'lynch-mob' springs to mind...
I don't generally take criticism personally, but if someone says 'this is clearly better, and only a fool can't see that', yes, that's making things personal! I don't care whether the majority of the forum agrees with me or not; I don't care that I'm sticking up for the underdog. But I will put my point across.
If someone shares an opinion - that's wonderful and very welcome, but others have the right to ask 'Why? What leads you to that conclusion?'. Particularly if that opinion is being presented as unquestionable fact.
The last thing I'd ever want is to censor or stifle discussion on this forum, but if I'd started a thread saying 'I've done some tests, and Dyson is DEFINITELY better than Kirby', or 'Dyson is the best of all the vacuum cleaners', I don't think people would have stayed quiet about that. The word 'lynch-mob' springs to mind...
I don't generally take criticism personally, but if someone says 'this is clearly better, and only a fool can't see that', yes, that's making things personal! I don't care whether the majority of the forum agrees with me or not; I don't care that I'm sticking up for the underdog. But I will put my point across.
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And for the record...
...Chris, if I offended you with my sarcasm I apologise.
...Chris, if I offended you with my sarcasm I apologise.
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Nope, no fight.
I'm withdrawing from this discussion, you're all free to say what you like!
I'm withdrawing from this discussion, you're all free to say what you like!
@DysonAnimal: You dont have to go, i was enjoying your opinions.
And i forgot to mention one more test: Durability. THis test plays a HUGE rol in vacuums. The Kirby is made of high-grade aluminum. If you kock it into a wall, the wall needs repairing. The dyson was made out of cheap plastic. If you knock it ino a wall, the vac needs repairing.
Kirbys can last up to 70 years , or longer. I have a D-50 that i use almost every other day. Dysons usually last 5-10 years, based on whatother people say.
And i forgot to mention one more test: Durability. THis test plays a HUGE rol in vacuums. The Kirby is made of high-grade aluminum. If you kock it into a wall, the wall needs repairing. The dyson was made out of cheap plastic. If you knock it ino a wall, the vac needs repairing.
Kirbys can last up to 70 years , or longer. I have a D-50 that i use almost every other day. Dysons usually last 5-10 years, based on whatother people say.
turbo500
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Don't worry, Jack - I think we both got the wrong end of each others point, and I certainly didn't intend to imply you're a fool.
ANYWAY, back to the actual point of the conversation...
I agree that the deep cleaning performance of a machine does depend on a number of factors, but IMO, the brushroll is one of the biggest of those. Even a carpet sweeper can remove surface dust and dirt and I think we would all agree that the machines known for their deep cleaning ability are the ones with thick, dense, relatively stiff bristles. The suction is obviously another factor, and I've said before, I have no issues with the suction power of Dyson cleaners, just the messy emptying, filter washing (both being unfortunately unavoidable) and brushroll (which is why I prefer Dyson's cylinder machines to the uprights).I would certainly like to see a brushroll more in the style of a Kirby, Oreck or Sebo brushroll as these have all proved for years that they do groom the carpet to a very high standard. The short, sparse bristles are not for me, I'm afraid.
Having said that, one does have to bear in mind the current market. In the UK, thick carpets are out and hard-wearing, low pile carpet and laminate floors are in, obviously eliminating the need for such a deep cleaning brushroll. On the other end of that scale, many people did buy very good quality deep pile carpets and have not replaced these (my Mum and several friends parents, for example, still have carpets fitted in the 70's and 80's). Perhaps Dyson could develop and market a specific machine specifically designed for homes with thicker carpet with a more dense brushroll? Sort of like the animal, all floors, allergy etc variations on the same model, a Dyson "deep clean" would certainly have a market I think.
ANYWAY, back to the actual point of the conversation...
I agree that the deep cleaning performance of a machine does depend on a number of factors, but IMO, the brushroll is one of the biggest of those. Even a carpet sweeper can remove surface dust and dirt and I think we would all agree that the machines known for their deep cleaning ability are the ones with thick, dense, relatively stiff bristles. The suction is obviously another factor, and I've said before, I have no issues with the suction power of Dyson cleaners, just the messy emptying, filter washing (both being unfortunately unavoidable) and brushroll (which is why I prefer Dyson's cylinder machines to the uprights).I would certainly like to see a brushroll more in the style of a Kirby, Oreck or Sebo brushroll as these have all proved for years that they do groom the carpet to a very high standard. The short, sparse bristles are not for me, I'm afraid.
Having said that, one does have to bear in mind the current market. In the UK, thick carpets are out and hard-wearing, low pile carpet and laminate floors are in, obviously eliminating the need for such a deep cleaning brushroll. On the other end of that scale, many people did buy very good quality deep pile carpets and have not replaced these (my Mum and several friends parents, for example, still have carpets fitted in the 70's and 80's). Perhaps Dyson could develop and market a specific machine specifically designed for homes with thicker carpet with a more dense brushroll? Sort of like the animal, all floors, allergy etc variations on the same model, a Dyson "deep clean" would certainly have a market I think.
turbo500
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Kirbys can last up to 70 years..
..yes, but that is the difference between paying £2000 and £200 for a vacuum cleaner.
Kirby16, as much as I agree with you in regards to the performance and durability, testing a Dyson against a Kirby is like comparing a 3 course lobster dinner with a pot noodle. You pay for the Kirby to last 70 years. If I was to pay almost £2000 for a vacuum, I'd expect it last that long, and clean the house by itself whilst I sat with my feet up and a cocktail.
You really need to compare the Dyson with an opposite cleaner in the same price range - a Sebo, Miele S7 or Vax Mach (Hoover US, I believe, although Jack will be able to confirm if that is within the same market price range).
..yes, but that is the difference between paying £2000 and £200 for a vacuum cleaner.
Kirby16, as much as I agree with you in regards to the performance and durability, testing a Dyson against a Kirby is like comparing a 3 course lobster dinner with a pot noodle. You pay for the Kirby to last 70 years. If I was to pay almost £2000 for a vacuum, I'd expect it last that long, and clean the house by itself whilst I sat with my feet up and a cocktail.
You really need to compare the Dyson with an opposite cleaner in the same price range - a Sebo, Miele S7 or Vax Mach (Hoover US, I believe, although Jack will be able to confirm if that is within the same market price range).
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