Decisions, Decisions - Help guys!
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The Royal 4000 is an excellent machine-it doesn't need power drive-its practically self propelled as is-and these machines are robust and simple.Very effective cleaner.I have one in my collection.Actually it is more powerful than the Kirbys.Just make sure the belt and roller brush aren't worn down.The brush stiffeners on these make it possible to get up hardened mud from a carpet!Was a good dealer demo.
In my opinion, any of the self propelled models from G3 thru Sentria are fine regardless of the production date.
The G3's did have problems with the on/off switch, handle pivot spring and the transmission.
All G3 replacement parts are now same as Sentria with the exception of the color. The belt lifter, rug plate, emptor & fill tube have also been redesigned as well to Sentria specifications.
I am currently in the process of rebuilding my G3 and my sister's G4.
On my "early" G3, I am replacing the fan, transmission & rear wheels & caps, handle pivot spring, power switch, brush roll, cord, belt lifter, front wheels & caps, bag, emptor & fill tube.
On my sisters G4, I am replacing the fan, brush roll, cord, belt lifter, wheels & caps, emptor & fill tube.
I may replace the G4 transmission if still noisy when the machine is reassembled. I tore completely it down and cleaned & oiled the clutches, etc. so I will see how it performs under power.
On both G3 & G4 the inner fan case & nozzle are being sandblasted & buffed out. The other chrome parts are being buffed out. The labels are not being disturbed or removed.
Because I am extremely fussy, I would never purchase a "refurbished" model from a dealer. Everyone has a different opinion of what "rebuilt" means. I rather rebuild it myself completely using genuine updated Kirby parts and have the metal sandblasted & buffed.
When buying from a dealer, you don't know what has been replaced, who knows if genuine parts are used and whether the machine is spotless on the inside. A lot of dealers don't care or bother to clean the inside and whether the labels are removed. I've seen some junk people consider "rebuilds" with the inner nozzles painted silver over dirt, yuk!!
Rebuilding these machines have been really fun for me as I know they will be truly refurbished once I am done with them.
My sister also has a G3 and a G6, I'm sure she will want rebuilt after she sees her completed G4.
When Kirby manufactures replacement parts for their older self propelled models, they simply don't make the same part. The parts are brought up to the specifications of the current models. No other manufacturer that I know improves parts for their older models the way Kirby does.
I always was capable of repairing the Kirby, it was the polishing & sandblasting, I did not want to get into due to the mess. This problem has been resolved now that I found a metal polishing & sandblasting shop here in Las Vegas which was very familiar with Kirbys.
I know now that I can do a rebuild that I can be truly satisifed with and on par with the Kirby Rebuilding Dept.
If you have any questions regarding Kirby, don't hesitate to drop me a line.
Ray
The G3's did have problems with the on/off switch, handle pivot spring and the transmission.
All G3 replacement parts are now same as Sentria with the exception of the color. The belt lifter, rug plate, emptor & fill tube have also been redesigned as well to Sentria specifications.
I am currently in the process of rebuilding my G3 and my sister's G4.
On my "early" G3, I am replacing the fan, transmission & rear wheels & caps, handle pivot spring, power switch, brush roll, cord, belt lifter, front wheels & caps, bag, emptor & fill tube.
On my sisters G4, I am replacing the fan, brush roll, cord, belt lifter, wheels & caps, emptor & fill tube.
I may replace the G4 transmission if still noisy when the machine is reassembled. I tore completely it down and cleaned & oiled the clutches, etc. so I will see how it performs under power.
On both G3 & G4 the inner fan case & nozzle are being sandblasted & buffed out. The other chrome parts are being buffed out. The labels are not being disturbed or removed.
Because I am extremely fussy, I would never purchase a "refurbished" model from a dealer. Everyone has a different opinion of what "rebuilt" means. I rather rebuild it myself completely using genuine updated Kirby parts and have the metal sandblasted & buffed.
When buying from a dealer, you don't know what has been replaced, who knows if genuine parts are used and whether the machine is spotless on the inside. A lot of dealers don't care or bother to clean the inside and whether the labels are removed. I've seen some junk people consider "rebuilds" with the inner nozzles painted silver over dirt, yuk!!
Rebuilding these machines have been really fun for me as I know they will be truly refurbished once I am done with them.
My sister also has a G3 and a G6, I'm sure she will want rebuilt after she sees her completed G4.
When Kirby manufactures replacement parts for their older self propelled models, they simply don't make the same part. The parts are brought up to the specifications of the current models. No other manufacturer that I know improves parts for their older models the way Kirby does.
I always was capable of repairing the Kirby, it was the polishing & sandblasting, I did not want to get into due to the mess. This problem has been resolved now that I found a metal polishing & sandblasting shop here in Las Vegas which was very familiar with Kirbys.
I know now that I can do a rebuild that I can be truly satisifed with and on par with the Kirby Rebuilding Dept.
If you have any questions regarding Kirby, don't hesitate to drop me a line.
Ray
swiveltop
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Thunderhexed
I have a nice G4 that I was going to list for sale,I don't know if mentioning items for sale is allowed here so, slap me if it isn't. Mark
I have a nice G4 that I was going to list for sale,I don't know if mentioning items for sale is allowed here so, slap me if it isn't. Mark
thunderhexed
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Kirby G4
email me at [email protected] with a price... I'm still interested in finding a decent one... does it have attachments? Used much? Thanks for keeping me in mind!
email me at [email protected] with a price... I'm still interested in finding a decent one... does it have attachments? Used much? Thanks for keeping me in mind!
thunderhexed
Well-known member
Update
I did win the Royal 4000 from Ebay. It's my first Royal so I'm learning how to get used to it. It is definately smaller than a Kirby as well as lighter, but it still reminds me of using my Dual Sanitronic 50! I love how the brushroll grooms the carpet. I have been using hte HEPA type bags in it and they seems to be doing a pretty decent job of dust control so far... Being used, the only thing I had to do was clean the outter bag up. Whoever had it prior to me used it without bag inserts and obviously had a dog or cat (the beg smelled of rank frito chips) After SEVERAL good freshwater rinses and a lengthy air dry, it is amazingly odor and dust free! The only things I don't really care for is the height adjustment mechanism, It's push pedal is very easy to lower but difficult coming back up and the handle seems to lean back quite a bit when the height adjustment is all the way up and the cleaner is in it's "upright" position. I did notice at the vac shop the other day though that some of the other Royals were doing it as well, guess I'm just used to Kirby's leaning forward when upright.. Anyways, I'm farily happy, not bad for $50.00 and still having that showroom shine to it. A hose and few attachments were even included as well as a HEFTY supply of the HEPA type bags. oh yeah.. it's LOUD! It's a squeeler!
I did win the Royal 4000 from Ebay. It's my first Royal so I'm learning how to get used to it. It is definately smaller than a Kirby as well as lighter, but it still reminds me of using my Dual Sanitronic 50! I love how the brushroll grooms the carpet. I have been using hte HEPA type bags in it and they seems to be doing a pretty decent job of dust control so far... Being used, the only thing I had to do was clean the outter bag up. Whoever had it prior to me used it without bag inserts and obviously had a dog or cat (the beg smelled of rank frito chips) After SEVERAL good freshwater rinses and a lengthy air dry, it is amazingly odor and dust free! The only things I don't really care for is the height adjustment mechanism, It's push pedal is very easy to lower but difficult coming back up and the handle seems to lean back quite a bit when the height adjustment is all the way up and the cleaner is in it's "upright" position. I did notice at the vac shop the other day though that some of the other Royals were doing it as well, guess I'm just used to Kirby's leaning forward when upright.. Anyways, I'm farily happy, not bad for $50.00 and still having that showroom shine to it. A hose and few attachments were even included as well as a HEFTY supply of the HEPA type bags. oh yeah.. it's LOUD! It's a squeeler!
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