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This post is regarding a couple of models of the Chinese-made Fantoms, not the original Canadian-made machines. The Chinese Fantoms are made by Euro-Pro LLC. You cannot find out much about the company online except that in addition to Fantom, they make Euro-Pro, Shark and a couple of other brands. What you can see online are tons of complaints about marketing shenanigans and product quality issues.

I've worked on Euro-Pro to my frustration; I've examined many more as well as Shark and since my initial experience, have passed on them all. Both have issues with design and build quality in my own opinion.

So it was with some reluctance that I agreed to take a Chinese Fantom from a customer who bought a reconditioned Hoover from me. I told them that it wasn't my regular line of country and I couldn't give them anything for it but they said it made them feel better to give it to me rather than throw it in the garbage bin.

What they left with me was more interesting than most Chinese Fantoms. It is a Model FM 788 HG, and on the front it says, "Commercially Rated." It has a heavy, grounded cord and a 15 inch wide brushroll. The date of manufacture says 29/06. The original owners were getting rid of it because it had no power function.

Well, it sat around here for a while before I looked at it. When I got around to it, I opened up the area where the power switch and the cord are housed. Right away, I could see a burned fuse in the circuit. I didn't have any 12 amp 125 v fuses, so I left it as-is until I could get one. In the meantime, I came across a Model FM 741B Chinese Fantom, which is a similar, non-commercial model. The price on it was so low as to be almost free. Besides color differences, the floor nozzle is different (13 inch brushroll) and there are a few cosmetic differences. Also, the FM 788 HG has a rheostat on the power control panel to vary the induction motor speed, which the FM 741 B lacks. However, the plastic housing for the power switch also has a cord hook combined into the plastic housing and this was broken on the FM 788 HG. So, I used the plastic housing and the fuse assembly from the 741 B to make the repairs to the 788 HG.

I don't usually see in-line fuses like this near the power switch. If present, they might be near the motor or there might be a thermal breaker switch down there instead of a fuse.

Parts for Chinese Fantom, Euro-Pro and Shark are a kind of closely-held deal. Anything more complex than a belt or filter is hard to get. Finding contact info for the company is limited to an email address. One thing I was able to find for the 788 HG was a PDF doc of the owner's manual and there was a Plattsburgh, NY address contained in that. The ID decal on the machines makes no mention of who makes them.

So with the donor machine, I was able to get the so-called "Commercially Rated" Chinese Fantom back in action. I must admit that this 788 HG is of higher quality than the Euro-Pro and Shark that I've examined.

The burned fuse I believe was caused by high resistance in the power cord or one of the connections in that line. I replaced all the bad wire but who knows how long it's good for. On Chinese machines, I don't think the quality of wire is always the best. I've repaired similar product where there were obvious signs of excessive heat from high resistance and even broken strands at the strain relief fitting.

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Back of 788 HG. The empty attachment holder is for a dusting wand. Most of us are familiar with the Eureka Altima duster that fits in a container on the right side and may be vacuumed in situ with a flip of a lever. On this Chinese Fantom FM 788 HG, the duster fits onto the hose and actually gets vacuumed out while it's being used.

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Sanyo and Fantom? I got to say, Fantomvacuumfan had Euro-Pro Fantoms, but they all died. The Twister had the electrical problems they were known for, and the stick vac he had was donated to Goodwill citing bad filtration. He bought them back when he was in high school.
 
Well...

I have no sold info on that... But it does look like a cross between a Fury and Wildcat but it all depends when the LNP came out.
 
FantomLightning, thanks for the link to the HSN informercial. I took that big, metal brushroll all apart for cleaning. It's reasonably well-made. Today, I washed out the hose several times and it's drying now. I also washed out the lower hose -- dog smell. It's coming together nicely and should be finished soon. It's made well enough that I don't put it on the same low level with Euro-Pro or Shark. But if you're used to working on vacs made in North America, Chinese vacs are always good for surprises.

Here's an example. Today, thought I was finished with a Hoover (new) Elite, Model U5509-900. It was all done and running but seemed to have excessive noise and vibration from the brushroll. Turns out the brushroll was warped, apparently from friction from the belt. It was warped right on the bearing surface for the belt. :(
 
I had to laugh when I saw the fantom 788 commercial with that chrome stuck on the front, when I worked in vacuum design we often got sample machines from many chinese factory's , they would always send the domestic version and then a commercial version. 


Often the only difference between the two was a thicker cord on the commercial machine along with chrome sticker covering the front of the machine. Some how by pasting chrome all over the machine they thought it made the machine invincible.


Gareth 
 
Yes, the 788 has the Twister filter in it. Same part as the 740, diff color.

The heavy cord and the shiny metal decoration don't make it a "commercial" machine. However, the floor nozzle in general is more robust than the domestic model, plus the truly heavy duty brushroll is an upgrade. The 788 also has a metal shield on the plastic bottom plate but it's just a fascia. It will slow down the battering of the cross bars.

I've never been in the commercial cleaning business but I don't think of any bagless machine as being desireable nor worthy of commercial application. To my way of thinking, there would be too much wasted labor in properly dealing with a bagless system.

The HSN infomercial that was attached, above, says a lot about this. How many commercial cleaners are going to be buying equipment this way? At a price point of $200, you cannot expect true commercial quality.
 
$200 is not right for a commercially-rated vacuum. A commercial vacuum is better when it is made from the ground up, not from a household vacuum.
 
Actually William...

Some of the best commercial vacuums are just made from older domestic machines ex. The Sanitaire line are just Eureka F&G uprights, and Hoover commercials made from Elites, Decade 80/800, and Convertible domestic machines... Not to mention you can get a Eureka Commercial/Sanitaire for $140 and less... Which they are commercially rated...
 
Thank you Zach. Bissell does have commercial products, one of them is based on the Powerpartner, which started production in 1996 when the Singer line of Hoover Elite-style uprights were acquired.

I also like to point out that Riccar and Oreck have commercial products as well. You wouldn't go with them because of this: you blame your grandmother for owning an Oreck, which is something you wouldn't own in the first place, and thanks to your dislike for Riccar canisters, you wouldn't like their uprights (rip-offs of Oreck 8-pounders, or Panasonic uprights).
 
Wow...

You really need to stop assuming things about me William... First of all I don't really see how I can blame my grandmother for anything, she owns a Oreck big deal... And as for Riccar, well wrong again I'd gladly own any of their uprights they make some amazing machines I just wouldn't want one of their uprights.
 
My mistake. I was just interested to see if Riccars are better than Oreck. And commercial Fantoms are somewhat interesting, and not in a good way due to Euro-Pro's reputation of having horrible products.

Just wanted to make a point.
 

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