Central vac vs Portable vac.

[vacfan1982]

Silent master has two 5.7 bypass motors with 208 cfm at the unit.

Put that together with a very nice power nozzle.

Are you saying this isn't enough to deep clean your carpets?

 

[vacfan1982]

The Silentmaster S900r has 140 inches of waterlift and 191 CFM at the unit.

Personally I think that is more than enough power to clean any home

 

[vacfan1982]

These ratings don't look so special.

As Roger said the noise level exceeds the EU rating so they won't be able to be sold here unless they can get the noise level down to 80 db.

 

[vacfan1982]

We all know the good points of the Kirby and we also know the bad points. It is far from perfect as much as some like to think it is

 

[vacfan1982]

And Bill the hose is 35mm not 32mm so more airflow.

 

[vaclab]

Mark, I Can See You've Reposted A Fake Kirby Label

A Kirby Avalir does not score a "C" rating on carpet. BUT, feel free to generate any EU label you like as they have an online label generator here.

https://ec.europa.eu/energy/eepf-labels/label-type/vacuum-cleaners

And just for laughs, I made one up for the "new" Shark NV1000 (fake of course).

I have to wonder, how much power does your dual 5.7" fan central vac use? 3000 watts? 4000 watts? Does the new EU regs apply to central vacs (I haven't looked at this yet)?

Bill

 

[vacfan1982]

Mine uses 1800w but I'm sure there are central vacs that use more than that

Btw that is not a fake label Roger found it on the Kirby website. They tried hard to hide it though

 

[vacfan1982]

Read reply 61 Bill.

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?35988_65

 

[vacfan1982]

There is one MD Central vac that uses 3000 watts.

 

[sensotronic]

Vaclab

I do not post fake EU labels. Here is the whole page and a link to the online instruction book. If it's not viewable in the USA I hope a UK member using an ipad will be able to verify it for me. As you can see, you have to skip through to page 64 to find it.[this post was last edited: 3/24/2018-12:04]

http://kirbywhq.powweb.com/manuals/avalir_uk/ipad/ipad.html

 

[vacfan1982]

Naughty Bill I should put you over my knee and spank you for that!

I don't actually agree with a C rating on carpet I would have thought it would be an A. Maybe Kirby UK should ask for a retest and ask to be present when it's done. I did actually speak to the MD of Kirby UK about this and he was far from happy. His words to me were "Even a bloody Sebo got better ratings" Haha I slapped him down for that remark being a Sebo fan

 

[rolls_rapide]

Exactly how are these EU tests conducted?

You would think that an upright would remove more dirt per pass than a suction only machine.

Some of the El Cheapo machines on sale in Tesco had very poor pick up ratings for carpet. What is going on?

 

[vacfan1982]

The carpet test in done on a Wilton carpet. An A rating removes 91% of dust a B rating 87% and so on....

I think they need to improve the procedure. Some manufacturers do their own rests. Kirby had there's done in a test centre. I think there should be designated test centres and to use the highest standard of testing possible and test on different thickness of pile, and test for pet hair too.

 

[vaclab]

I am in shock then Roger...

that a machine over in the USA, rated by CRI as "gold" and highly by Consumer Reports for years and years does very poorly on European "wilton" carpet. That carpet must not be anywhere close to the typical USA medium pile carpet. If that's the case, then you would need different carpet cleaning machines for European households.

If that label is accurate, a Kirby would:

1) spew out so much dust ("F" rating) that it should make most people sick or at least cough/sneeze when running.

2) Not be worth more than $100-something Euros, because don't you have similarly priced machines that also score a "C" rating for carpet?

Here's a link to CRI's certified vacuums page. Top listing? Kirby Avalir.

http://www.carpet-rug.org/certified-vacuums.html

Again, if the EU's testing methodologies are to be believed, there would be no point in buying one because most inexpensive cheap plastic vacs would meet or beat a Kirby. We all that's simply not true.

Oh, and the KirbyWHQ website is now down. For UK Kirby browsing, go to www.kirby.com/gb

Bill

 

[vacfan1982]

The poor rating for dust emissions is carbon dust from the motor.

The Sebo X4 had a similar rating because the HEPA or S class filter is before the motor so it doesn't filter the carbon dust very well.

But like I said Kirby has good points and bad points like any vacuum cleaner.

It does get slightly annoying when Kirby fans keep bleating on about how superior they and everything else it a load of

 

[vaclab]

Silent Master 900R2 240V Specs

The Silent Master 900R2 (240V) uses 3288 Watts (1644 Watts per motor)

https://builtinvacuum.com/dealer/downloads/spec-sheets/md-silentmaster-s900r2-240v-spec-sheet.pdf

If you want to say that a car with TWO engines is faster than just one engine, go right ahead. My comparison was specifically with a central vac with ONE motor using no more than 1600 Watts.

BTW, the 120V version uses 3336 Watts (1668 Watts per motor).

https://builtinvacuum.com/silent_master/compare.html

Bill

 

[vacfan1982]

Yes I did say previously there was one model that uses 3000w. That is a lot of electricity!

All I'm saying is that not only a Kirby is capable of cleaning well there are plenty of other vacs that are capable of keeping your home clean

 

[mike811]

Central vacuums are powerhouses, but after all the piping and hoses it really needs to be. I was surprised that some portable clean air vacuums can be more powerful than some central vacs.

My personal measurement from one 2200 watt canister vacuum cleaner.
baird 9 = 108 cfm
suction 2800 mm H2O = 110 Inches Of Water
(suction release valve cut the suction)
500 airwatts*

*Suction power tested in accordance with international standard IEC 60312-1, tested by external test institute SLG Prüf- und Zertifizierungs GmbH (Philips Consumer LifeStyle B.V., August 2012)

 

[panasonicvac]

It basically depends

If they are lower end models, maybe not. But central vacuums over the years have improved the performances on the motors they've used. If they are top of the line models, it can easily out clean almost any portable vacuum there is on the market. It's true that Kirby is a good vacuum, but there are so many advantages why I rather use a central vacuum anyday over a Kirby. Easier and faster to use, quieter, better filtration and generally holds more dirt than a Kirby bag, and a better guarantee. With the Vacuflo MaxAir or the Aqua-Air 258 for example with it's two motors, you can actually have two people vacuuming with it at once. Since the Volt powerhead was recently updated with improvements, in the future it could actually out-clean any portable direct air vacuum on the market when Tacony masters it, especially the Royal which I think is the best vacuum when it comes to cleaning carpets.

 

[vacfan1982]

I agree Alex. With the Tandem air volt it must clean extremely well. And yes it's definitely easier to use providing you don't get caught in the hose and go arse over tit