"Carpet Lifting" With Various Uprights

[alexhoovers94]

I don't think the Turbomaster was an American design, I imagine it was a British design, they only had two modles of Innovation and the Turbomaster was very similar in design to the Turbopower, it had the same motor, same on-board tools layout and similar bag compartment and bag, plus the Turbomasters were made over here...Sorry, Ryan but I don't buy it.

 

[turbomaster1984]

diffrences

The Turbomaster DIDNT have the same
motor it had a more powerful one. Nearly 50% more powerful.

It also had 2 belt drive system with one toothed belt whereas the tp had one flat belt.

The Turbomaster has a slightly wider suction channel creating better airflow.

The turbomaster also had a wider bag fill tube that also meant for better airflow and less blockages.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Yes, but the motor WAS the same design, it wasn't Elite like, I know it was 575 watt and not 410 or 450.
I said SIMILAR bag compartment.

 

[turbomaster1984]

Similar enough to be totally different. yes i get you.

The motor was not the same motor it was a totally different design.

 

[turbo500]

Robs right, Alex, you can't get a Turbopower motor in a TM and vice versa. They're completely different shapes and sizes.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Motor sizes

The original Turbopower cleaners and the Turbomaster cleaners had an identical motor in all but wattage and pulley length. The suction power difference is largely due to the higher wattage. The only reason a motor from cannot be swapped from one to the other is because the TM pulley is too long for the TP cleaner, and conversely the TP pulley too short for the TM.

 

[turbo500]

The suction power difference is largely due to the higher wa

I disagree entirely, Benny. The increase in suction power on the TM, I have always viewed as a combination of higher motor power and larger, more efficient airways with greater surface area.

I have also put a TM Total System and TP standard motor next too eachother. Whilst they're similar, they are actually a different design, especially around the top half of the motor - it's much wider than the TP standard motor.

 

[vintagerepairer]

The difference in suction power is a matter of opinion, as stated there were many factors affecting it.

The physical motor sizes were, however, identical. All the parts for the motor, excluding armature and field coil, were sold as being suitable for both cleaners. As I don't own either type of motor now, I can't say any more than that, but if anyone who does have these cleaners wants to compare the two then that's up to them.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Yes, Benny, I remember now!

The Pully on the Turbomaster was a good inch and a half, where as the Turbopower motors pully was only about an inch if that, I have held a Turbopower and Turbomaster motor in my hand and appart from the pully, they look identical! They also use the same fan.

 

[sebo_fan]

Funny, I thought the original Turbomaster came directly from Hoover in the U.S I don't ever recall it being Made in Britain other than having the Queen's approval stamped on it or Made in Britain stickers.

End of the day Alex - it was an original design - and unlike the TP2 and 3 series, I rather liked the fact that there was a soft bag Turbomaster version too.

 

[turbomaster1984]

Ryan I can see your train of thought - I just had to check the TM cleaners I have here as you rightly mention they dont have 'made in britain' on them.

Im quite sure they were made in cambuslang though.

i think it was american in design - considering the elite etc are very similar where tool fitments are concerned.

 

[sebo_fan]

Did I say the that Powerplus and others based on the Senior had less performance, JM? No. Don't add words to the topic please unless I've directly said it.

In terms of the Senior - I must point out one thing I forgot to mention - the hood though tall was enough to get under my parents bed for cleaning whereas the Powerplus got stuck. Where the Powerplus excelled was better edge cleaning - Hoover evidently improved on that design along with the redesigned Hoover Junior U1104. I might source out another U1104 at one point if I can get one - those ones are super machines IMHO.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Rob...I think your right, I am sure they were made in Cambuslang, although, like you say, it doesn't say "made in Britain" but, to be honest, I don't think any of them did and after checking all of my Turbopower 1's and 2's most of them say "made by Hoover plc, Great Britain" which is what your Turbomaster says there.


 


So, I would say that for deffinate, the Turbomasters where made over here, and wheather they were aimed at the American market or not, they are still British Hoovers.


 


Regarding the Tool cadys, well, the Turbopower Total Sytems and Turbomaster Total Systems had the same tools layout, apart from the hose end that plugs into the cleaner and the way you convert it was a little different...The Elites did have a similar hose set up too, but the Elites with hoses didn't come out until 91 or 92, I believe, but don't quote me on that, where as our Turbomaster Total Systems and Turbopower Total Systems came out in 87 or 88.


 


I know I didn't ask, but thanks, Rob, for the picture, that enabled me to confirm my theory.

 

[sebo_fan]

Rob has an excellent post on here with all his TMs. Very impressive and yes I must have got confused - the TM was made in Britain and sold in the U.S from the U.K under the "Innovation" tag.

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?12515

 

[alexhoovers94]

Ryan...

Don't worry, with so many models and varations of different cleaners it can be difficult to keep track.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Ryan, perhaps you were confused by the Turbolite, as that was the Elite 200 in the US and was designed and made there.


Notice how, the Turbolite has no Royal appointment on it, maybe that had something to do with it being made outside the UK.

 

[jmurray01]

"Did I say the that Powerplus and others based on the Senior had less performance, JM? No. Don't add words to the topic please unless I've directly said it." I assume you refer to the reply directly under yours?

If so, I did not read that - in fact it only appeared AFTER I had replied (I was typing my own at the same time you were) and it most certainly wasn't aimed at you.

I am very sorry if I inadvertently offended you.

 

[jmurray01]

Goodness me I didn't write that very clearly - what I mean is that I did not read your statement (regarding differences in cleaning heads) when I posted my message as it had not appeared yet.

 

[floor-a-matic]

Here's one of my canister vacuums that can really lift the carpet.

Shown here is a Lux model G with PN1. In real use, I use a PN6 with headlight; it even has the green bristle HPO brush roller & genuine Electrolux/Aerus coiled vinyl pigtail hose. The PN1's plastic wand, although it has no cracks, is too fragile for daily vacing, so I rarely ever use the PN1.