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Sebo X4

You can see why some question the Sebo x4's ability to deep clean. Like the Electrolux 502s
 
Interesting video - but Im unsure what it is you are trying to prove. Id have thought the TP2 would be better than that though. The good old Junior/Lark was good though - my favourite of the ones you've shown so far from the Hoover range - don't you have any other soft bagged uprights, though?
 
Ryan...

I wasn't trying to “prove“ anything really, I just wanted to show how well different vacuums in my collection grip to the carpet, the agitation bit just got thrown in with the deal, I guess.

It is pretty dissapointing from the Turbopower 2/3, the suction is powerful enough, I think it is because the cleaner head lifts up at an angle when it goes into the 3/4 possision and breaks the seal from the carpet, as the chassis is rather heavy.
I LOVE the juniors, I have 4, the U1012 you saw in the video, a Dirtsearche 1354, a refurbished 1346 and a Junior 1334E...the 4 Juniors, the Turbolite and the Kirby Legend ll make up my softbags. :)
 
I think you should get a Senior BTW - I had one for many years and adored the noise and the cleaning action. Only used it once with tools but wasn't that impressed. I also had a Powerplus upright but found them to be too bulky and a tad ugly- even though that one and the Ranger are all based on the Senior underneath.

Maybe its psychological but I much preferred the light grey colour of the Powerplus as opposed to the awful dark toffee and brown Powerplus.
 
I have used a Senior at my friends house, it is odd really because it is a cross between the powerplus and the ranger which I think both luck UGLY! I love the 652 in green, what a beauty, I can't wait to get my hands on one of those some day. The hose suction from what I have seen was pretty poor, although, I was quite impressed with the hose suction on the 70's Juniors, I thought it was very powerful for such a small motor.
I couldn't own a Senior Ranger for somewhat obvious reasons but I would love one of those gorgeous 60's, 652 Seniors, they are one of my all time favourites from Hoover.

Slightly off topic but I think the Hoover Turbomaster U5096 was the best cleaner Hoover ever produced!
 
Of course the Turbomaster was great - it was an American design.

Still I think you should invest in a blue Senior. They're pretty good and I find them to be faster at pick up due to the bigger floor head and probable, slightly higher motor.
 
I, too, would love to own a 652 but since they usually go up to around £60 on eBay auctions, I'm not going to be buying one any time soon.

Bottom line is though, the Senior 652 and Senior Ranger are both the exact same vacuum cleaner just with a different hood fitted, so you can't say one performs worse than the other.

As for the looks of it, that is down to personal preference entirely.
 
I don't think the Turbomaster was an American design, I imagine it was a British design, they only had two modles of Innovation and the Turbomaster was very similar in design to the Turbopower, it had the same motor, same on-board tools layout and similar bag compartment and bag, plus the Turbomasters were made over here...Sorry, Ryan but I don't buy it.
 
diffrences

The Turbomaster DIDNT have the same
motor it had a more powerful one. Nearly 50% more powerful.

It also had 2 belt drive system with one toothed belt whereas the tp had one flat belt.

The Turbomaster has a slightly wider suction channel creating better airflow.

The turbomaster also had a wider bag fill tube that also meant for better airflow and less blockages.
 
Motor sizes

The original Turbopower cleaners and the Turbomaster cleaners had an identical motor in all but wattage and pulley length. The suction power difference is largely due to the higher wattage. The only reason a motor from cannot be swapped from one to the other is because the TM pulley is too long for the TP cleaner, and conversely the TP pulley too short for the TM.
 
The suction power difference is largely due to the higher wa

I disagree entirely, Benny. The increase in suction power on the TM, I have always viewed as a combination of higher motor power and larger, more efficient airways with greater surface area.

I have also put a TM Total System and TP standard motor next too eachother. Whilst they're similar, they are actually a different design, especially around the top half of the motor - it's much wider than the TP standard motor.
 
The difference in suction power is a matter of opinion, as stated there were many factors affecting it.

The physical motor sizes were, however, identical. All the parts for the motor, excluding armature and field coil, were sold as being suitable for both cleaners. As I don't own either type of motor now, I can't say any more than that, but if anyone who does have these cleaners wants to compare the two then that's up to them.
 
Yes, Benny, I remember now!

The Pully on the Turbomaster was a good inch and a half, where as the Turbopower motors pully was only about an inch if that, I have held a Turbopower and Turbomaster motor in my hand and appart from the pully, they look identical! They also use the same fan.
 
Funny, I thought the original Turbomaster came directly from Hoover in the U.S I don't ever recall it being Made in Britain other than having the Queen's approval stamped on it or Made in Britain stickers.

End of the day Alex - it was an original design - and unlike the TP2 and 3 series, I rather liked the fact that there was a soft bag Turbomaster version too.
 

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