Can't figure Royal Metal uprights out

[97widerider]

You’ve been a tremendous help, thanks a million!

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

No problem. I just gave incorrect answers and I didn't want you to get wrong parts.
Les

 

[madman]

Just a note of warning, if you try to use an 1156 bulb - which has a single contact on the bottom - in a socket for a bulb with two contacts on the bottom, it could end really badly. Before putting any bulb in, LOOK into the socket and see if it has two contacts on the bottom or one, and match the bulb to it. As long as you match the number of contacts in the socket, you might blow the bulb, or it may not work if the bulb is wrong, but your vac will be safe. Make CERTAIN. If you put an 1156 in a two-pin socket for a 12v light bulb, if could short out the windings in the motor.

Of course, I don't know which bulb you need. It's always best to look before you leap. Would be nice if it was an 1156, though. Because those can be had by the dozen, from ebay, amazon, or any car parts store, for very little money.

 

[97widerider]

The bulb in it actually works, I don’t want to take it out because with my luck that would jar something loose and it wouldn’t work upon putting in back in. I figure once it’s shot, I will pull it and hopefully there will be a number on it. Really I don’t need a light on it because the weak little bulb doesn’t really put out enough light to serve a real purpose anyway , especially with standard house lighting.

 

[madman]

Fair enough.

But anyhow, I was rummaging around some junk in my shop today, and I found a 1004 light bulb. Two contact base, single filament, 12 volt. It *should* sub for the 2-pin 12v Royal bulb. It's a very old fashioned automotive light bulb, but you can still find them online for very cheap. RockAuto.com wants only $0.23 each (plus shipping). Just thought I'd let you know.

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

My numbers are off but dual bayonet bulb from 505 fits up to d80. The royal vacuums from my 1949 up to my 1996 the dual bayonet bulb fits. So my number is but 1650 is oem correct bulb. So being logical as you say would you recommend 1004 bulb or 1650 oem to Kirby. I was off on number but like meant dual bayonet bulb. I didn't mean single bayonet. I wouldn't recommend 1004 bulb either it could short out a vacuum just as good as a single bayonet bulb would.
So
I'm just messing with you madmen but you know I meant double bayonet as 505 through classic 1 take double bayonet bulb. So my intention was good. I also retracted my recommends for motor.
The vacuum cleaner is a beast. When you vacuum raise nozzle to Max height. You will still be sucking up quarters 10 ft away. Keep it away from throw rugs. Keep away from animal toys. We had like a 4-5 inch rat and it frappeyet it. So be careful it eats everything.
Les

 

[97widerider]

I have a coworker who orders from Rock Auto all the time and will have him order me a few bulbs for later. That is good info, thank you!

Lesinutah, I was at a Peddlers Mall today and found a Kirby Vacuette in great shape for $10.00. I didn’t buy but was researching it and found an older post where you were looking for one. I’m thinking about going back to get it but am curious as to your opinion , or anyone’s, on them. I need one to vacuum my stairs that is a medium pile carpet. I need something with some power.

Thanks

 

[aaron158]

@lesinutah u said u couldn't find an led that worked. the ones u tried were they 12v ac or dc. when i was looking for a replacement led for my kirby heritage the first one i got only supported 12 dc power when powered on it did work but the light was very dim and flickery. the Kirbys actually use a 12v ac bulb i'm betting these royals do as well.

here is a link to one on amazon u can get for 6 bucks https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008I0CRLO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

The reason I couldn't get it to work was the bulb was right there was a piece stopping the bottom of the bulb from connecting. The screws to get to the bulb are on verge of stripping out. I have the bulb just not in a rush to put led in as barely got 2 others screws loose that we're almost stripped.
If it's this thread Kirby vacuette buy it for $10. It is a great hand vacuum it agitation and suction are very good. I have a good 10+15 hand vacuums and this and my Iona dirt raider are best ones. Iona is like twice the size of other hand vacuums. $10 is a steal.
Les

 

[madman]

The (stupid) idea of using a 12v light bulb in a 120v appliance works because they put a secondary winding into the motor that works either like a generator (alternator, technically) or a transformer to create 12 volts. ((tfw when I realize there may not be a difference.)) Either way, it'll be AC. And the typical LED replacement 'bulb' for automotive use is designed with the notion that it'll be receiving good DC. So such an LED bulb won't really behave properly on AC, as it'll basically flicker on and off with the sine wave.

Unless, of course, the LED bulb is designed to be used with AC, and it'll have a rectifier and smoothing capacitor inside of it.

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

A car is moth ac and dc. The car alternator phas 3 phases of ac. At end it is rectified to DC to charge battery. When car is running it runs on both accounts and dc. Led automotive led headlines use Dc.
So this info that they flicker on vacuums is incorrect.
The bulbs flicker because of vibration of vacuum or too high of voltage to power the bulb.
You have to use s high quality bulb with correct power. The bad bulbs are usually silicone to hold led light in. They also don't have plastic over silicone but the good ones do. It has plastic she'll to withstand vibrations.
So I have bought quite a few led bulbs. I've found 2 work extremely well for with dual bayonet reverse polarity.
I Just read your post again. I in different words said the same thing you did.
Les