Bagged VS Bagless

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Finally ! Getting somewhere.

I think I prefer bags all in all, although having a couple of bagless vacuums in the house is good, knowing that I have another option ahah !

Is there a third way? Water filtration? Is that a clean and sanitary way of getting rid of dirt? I know that when dust hit water, it has no where to go obviously, but what about any bacteria that grows in the water? I am not up on Rainbows and water filter vacuums so someone fill me in. I hear the vacuums themselves are apparently very good.

 

[dys0nb0y]

I Actually quite like bagvacuum cleaners. I don't mind either.

 

[marcusprit]

Hmmm no comment on Water filtration i don't want to open another can of worms! Haha!

 

[turbo500]

My Dad had a Neptune Waterfilter vacuum in the late 90's/early 2000's. Bought around 1998. It was a great vac. Very strong suction and the air really was clean - you could smell the difference on the exhaust air.

The only problem with it was that it was damn messy. You had to empty the water tank (which was full of black water) down the toilet and wash the filters and water tank everytime you used it.

My Dad thankfully kept hold of his Turbopower 2 and used that as a quick pick up vac, then used the Neptune weekly.

I think the whole thing got scrapped after my Dad left dirty water in it for a week when he couldn't be bothered to empty it. But for all it's faults, I can't complain about the filteration or performance of that machine. Ours was the same as the one pictured, only it was sea-green, not blue.

 

[sebo_fan]

Actually, water filtration isn't so new in the UK, not just with Chris' dad's Neptune vac.

In theory any wet and dry vac can be used for cleaning up dry suction dust. I tried it once with my old Vax 3 in 1 machine. I just took out the dust bag out, put the recovery bucket in as if I was going to wash the carpets and instead of faffing about with the pump and whatever, set the Vax up into dry mode and added a little water into the base of the machine. I spent a lot of time cleaning out the recovery bucket though afterwards. It can be done with Vax and other tubs but it is messy.

 

[marcusprit]

Yes that is the problem.

My apologies to you Chris for earlier.

 

[turbo500]

It was really messy!

Inside the water tank there was this square plastic filter thing that sat inside, with a long tube underneath that went under the water level and then it had green, foam filter wrapped around the top of it.

The filter used to get covered with gunk and hair. IIRC, the machine came with 2 filters so that one was always clean, but it did mean a lot of maintenance was required.

From what I've seen of Rainbow vacuums, those just need the water tipping out and not much messy filter cleaning.

 

[marcusprit]

If I could have any cylinder cleaner from the US I think I'd choose the Aerus Lux Platinum.

 

[turbo500]

^I'll second that!! I'd really love to try out the Aerus Lux machines. It would certainly be an interesting comparison between the "proper" Electrolux's (for lack of a better term) and the Aerus made machines. I really love the styling of some of the older models and some of the attachments like the air-powered polisher are really nifty little gizmo's.

 

[marcusprit]

Seen a few videos of it on YouTube. Looks to have very strong suction/airflow. Very quiet too. Excellent filtration build quality it looks gorgeous.

I can't fault it really. Maybe a non crushable hose.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

A very good passage by SEBO themselves on their website, explaining why they think bags are better than bagless. They draw a comparison of kitchen bins and why everyone uses bin liners.

http://sebo.co.uk/about/technology/bags/

 

[gottahaveahoove]

I, of course, have both.

Matt, i appreciate the way you phrased this thread...very mature and responsible.
I NEVER bash, never plan to.
I have HOOVER bagless, just because you MUST have a few if you collect. Personally, give me BAGGED ANYDAY.

I used to clean our church with a HOOVER Guardsman. It's a huge cathedral type. It takes 2 hours to vacuum that church. I would fill an "A" bag every time. Afterwards, I'd simply remove the bag, insert a new, fresh one for the next ime. i never had problems changing bags, EVEN the "C" bags.
Just my preference. Thanks.
John.

 

[dys0nb0y]

Sebo is happy to tell you pros of having a bag cleaner but they won't tell you the cons having a bag vacuum. But there is pros and cons with both.

 

[sptyks]

Oli, thanks for posting that bagged vs bagless link from Sebo. I illustrates the virtues of bagged vacuums in only a couple of parahgraphs.


 

 

[sebo_fan]

They don't need to tell you the cons of a bagged vacuum - common sense should be enough for buyers to decide whether a bagged vacuum is for them or not. Not just helped by endless Dyson court injunctions and constant Dyson media continually mocking dust bags.

 

[marcusprit]

I think we have exhausted this subject now. Some prefer bagged some prefer bagless. Whatever works best for you.

Can we pllllllleeeeeeese move in to another subject. It's getting sooooooooper boring. Haha

 

[sebo_fan]

No we can't...because...

Skip to the top and look at the original creation that Matt added.

He worked out subjectively the amount of usage per two vacuums, one bagless and one bagged vacuum. He then realised that the bagged vac is a concept he is better off having despite paying out for consumables.

I have always stood by and will remain to stand preferring bagged vacuums. I've also said it time and time again - until hospitals use bagless vacs, I remain unconvinced that they eliminate less time. They eliminate the bag, Yes, but they don't eliminate extra maintenance to keep the bagless vacs going.

We should allow this thread to stay open.

 

[marcusprit]

I don't see what else there is to say. All the points have been made.

Some prefer bagged some prefer bagless. Get over it!!!!!

 

[sebo_fan]

Im not over anything. You forget I have bagless vacuums. I like both.

However some other members must realise that by antagonising other responses other members have put here, they're not going to get away with it.

Besides it is not up to YOU or Me to declare whether this topic is closed or not.

The interesting aspect in all of this, is that there is ONE other vacuum that I can think about that may well deter the generalisation of a bagless vacuum. I have referred to it in a few other posts and Im going to say it here:

The Hoover Vortex "cellophane" dust bag concept.

They were more or less, clear dust bags that were designed to line the bagless bin to capture the dust and make disposal easy. But the Vortex also had a filter that had to be cleaned.

 

[marcusprit]

Yes that would be a good compromise. Like a cross between the 2. Why don't we design one Nar and go into business together