Bagged or Bagless ?

[jmurray01]

"dysons are NOT chepely maid. i have had my dyson dc01 for over 8 years first vacuum i ever got " I'm not sure who said they were, but I personally don't think they are cheaply made, just that they didn't use the best ideas when making them.

 

[turbo500]

dysons are NOT chepely maid. i have had my dyson dc01 for ov

Actually, the DC01 and DC04 seem to be a heck of a lot more robust and reliable than the later models. The problem with the DC01 is that the suction wasn't all that great and the neither was the brushroll, which made for a very average machine. The DC04 was a vast improvement suction wise, but of course, that was the introduction of the clutch models and that AWFUL helix brushroll which I hate! After that, the quality starts to drop. I've seen more broken DC07's and DC14's going to the tip, in skips or on the back of scrap trucks than any other Dyson. I also meant that the quality of the machine is not in proportion with the astronomical price tag.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Cheaply made

Some of the earlier models had rather flimsy plastic. My personal experiences:

DC01 Allergy - two brand new samples broke in the area of the wheel axle. Machine was unable to manoeuvre over wooden threshold strips on its rear wheels. (Other machines before and after, managed it without incident).

Also, a former colleague tripped over her DC01 flex, grabbed the cleaner handle to steady herself, and it came off in her hand.

DC07 - brand new out of the box, a corner was missing off the hinge area of the cleaner head. Took it back to the shop. The other brand new model on display had a cracked bin. Didn't inspire much confidence.

 

[eurekaprince]

I guess the cleanest way to empty the bin of a bagless machine is........




to clean it with the hose of a bagged vac!

 

[sanitairered]

eurekaprince

That's brilliant! I love it!

 

[eurekaprince]

Floyd....

 

[rainbowd4c]

A friend of mine uses her hubby's shop vac to clean out the bagless vacuum. It has actually helped make the filters last longer and lets face it a shop vac has more power than a household (well some house vacuums may have more than a shopvac) but all the same she says it cuts down on her dust flying around when she empties it and the filters and canister looks like brand new.

 

[fantomvacuumfan]

It depends...

I feel as though it depends on what type of bagless vacuum you are using. If your using something like an original Fantom, then bagless is the way to go. It amazes me how people say that they get dust clouds in their face with bagless, yet, I have only experienced this maybe 10 times over a 8 year period, when I vacuumed up a lot of dust, and I was in a rush to empty it, and didn't take the care to dump it to avoid the mess. Bagless vacuums don't last? Again, it depends on the model. Fantoms and Dysons seem to last a lot longer then other vacuums. My oldest Fantom is a 1994, so its going on 18-19 years old. Now, if your buying a new vacuum, rather than a used one, you would either probably want to buy a Dyson other than DC07-DC14, as the brush rolls on those stink. But if you don't want to go with a Dyson, either look at the Hoover Platinum Collection Multi-Cyclonic, which after owning since June, I can say is a good vacuum, but leaves a few things to be desired, or you should probably go bagged, I am not that high on anything else. I have not really used anything else, to be honest, but just based off of reading, and browsing at stores, I really don't get a good impression of a lot of current bagless vacuums. If I were to get a bagged vacuum, I would want to try to get a Miele S7 Tango, or something like that.

 

[vac_whisperer]

BAGGED! Suction is easily maintained, and no clogged filters. Plus, when you empty a bag less,the dust goes everywhere unless you're outside. And I find Bagless vacuums often leak.

 

[jmurray01]

Wait a second - Using a Bagged cleaner to empty a Bagless cleaner!?

Why not just use a Bagged cleaner in the first place then ?

I changed the bag in my '07 NUMATIC Henry today and there wasn't a single bit of dirt flying around.

Bagged all the way.

 

[fan-of-fans]

I will admit I was intrigued with the early Fantoms and their bagless technology. They didn't need expensive bags and seemed to be more powerful than bagged. And it was fun to watch the dust spin around. However, they never mentioned that in fact the HEPA filter needs to be changed after a while and that's what causes it to lose power. Not to mention the filter was $80. Then other manufacturers started making bagless machines with the round pleated filters, which seem to need cleaning after each use.

As mentioned above about using a bagged machine to clean a bagless, that's what I do. I use a Kenmore canister with a crevice tool to clean the pleated filter on my Kenmore Quickclean bagless upright. I never have had to replace the filter yet after 6 years. The reason I use the upright is that it seems to clean my carpets better than the canister can.

But as said many people don't have a way to clean the filters well, other than buying a new filter and sometimes don't even know there is one. So the filter gets clogged resulting in poor suction and either the owner thinks the machine is worn out or they don't want to buy a new filter when they could get a whole new vacuum.

But the same can happen with bags as people don't think to change them, or don't have any replacements on hand.

 

[anthony]

bagged or bagless

bagged is best as for bagless when its full simply throw the whole machine in the bin where it belongs with a bagged cleaner when you fit new bag you are fitting a new filter every time

 

[joshdonnell]

Baged

I like bag better , all bagless like dyson will loose it cleaning power and it flow. Rexair should sue dyson for claming no lose of suction . Because rainbow can only caim that and other water besed vacuums

 

[jmurray01]

Talking about "No Loss of Suction", I've always wondered how they can say that.

It is inevitable that as the bin gets fuller the suction WILL decrease!

And although it may be a slow process, filters lose their air flow efficiency over time too.

 

[blackheart]

I don't think actual Suction is lost

I've noticed with my vacs that airflow is lost but i cannot tell if suction is lost as a filter clogs it would make sense that the airflow would decrease but the suction seems to remain pretty much the same it just takes a little longer to form a seal granted i do not have equipment to test this...

 

[baglessball]

The don't lose suction/airflow as the bin fills. The dirt is thrown out of the airflow. So no matter how full or empty the cleaner is the suction/airflow remains the same..

Filters getting blocked is what kills suction/airflow. But it can take a few months before this happens as most of the dust is separated from the air before it reaches the filter.

However vacuuming lots of very fine dust (like plaster dust or soot) will cause this to happen prematurely.

 

[baglessball]

The don't lose suction/airflow as the bin fills. The dirt is thrown out of the airflow. So no matter how full or empty the cleaner is the suction/airflow remains the same..

Filters getting blocked is what kills suction/airflow. But it can take a few months before this happens as most of the dust is separated from the air before it reaches the filter.

However vacuuming lots of very fine dust (like plaster dust or soot) will cause this to happen prematurely.

 

[floor-a-matic]

I prefer changing bags any day over emptying a bagless bin.

Bagless is TOO MESSY!

Bagged is MORE SANITARY!

 

[jmurray01]

Hear Hear!

 

[sebo_fan]

It amazes me how people say that they get dust clouds in the

It doesn't amaze me - it annoys me - some brands like Vax who are churning out old U.S Dirt Devil uprights with the twist off top canister, where you have to unscrew the top immediately reveals dust - but that isn't the problem - neither is the problem affected if the bin door is at the bottom - the problem comes when you go to empty your bagless bin into ANOTHER bin with an open top. Dust hits whatever is left in the bin beforehand and will fly back up at you - despite the forces of nature with gravity - a ever-so-gentle breeze will allow dust to fly back up, causing clouds of dust to cake you and whatever else is in the vicinity.

I find it hugely ironic that back in the early days, when Dyson lamented nothing but ill thought on bagged vacuums, that their user manuals suggested putting the collected dust into a ANOTHER BAG to seal up the dirt if owners had allergies. Sounds like a cheap shot to me, and it was!

JM - I don't know where you get the info from that a full dust bag puts a strain on the motor. Doesn't happen with all. It could happen IF you have a Hoover vacuum cleaner or a dirty fan system and use the old promise that the paper dust bag are "reusable." Trouble is, Hoover never really informed the customer that you could only use the dust bag twice before disposing of it and replacing with a fresh bag. I guess they were trying a cheap shot there of pushing the buyer to buy more bags.

I like good value for money and I never let any of my vacuum dust bags leave the vacuums until the bags are absolutely full. Ive yet to burn out any kind of motor. They are tested to have a full dust bag of dirt, otherwise people would have sued several manufacturers by now if they don't go by their full capacity claim and only used once as dictated by the brand/user manual.

I'm not a fan of bagless vacuums but I do have one because I have pets to clean up after. Not so much dog or cat hair because that stuff stinks and my bagged vacuums take care of that. My bagless upright has newer filtration copied from Dyson's Dual Cyclone system, but regardless of whatever it is, when you have a couple old budgies who love nothing but to spit out seed several times a day, the clean up can get quite tedious. The bagless vac is therefore crucial if you have more than one or two of the "standard" pets in your home. Or, an alternative like the humble Black and Decker (or whatever) cordless dust buster. But that just too sore on my back having to bend down to the cage legs all the time to pick up the seeds!