Hi guys! this is my first post in here, so I hope that it's in the right place. Anyway, have any of you guys had any experience with one of these? My aunt had two, and absolutely loved them, they lasted forever. One was stolen and the other finally died. Any thoughts?
Amway CleratTrak
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desiredname
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Good quality vacs! They have an early design of the dual cyclone, with no cyclone shroud. It was a copy of James Dysons dual cyclone setup. I don't think it worked quite as efficiently as his though. I like the look of the Cleartrack. Very 80s looking. Is she going to get another? You can still find them online!
amway_cleartrak
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My time to shine!
The Amway ClearTrak is a great cleaner. Either though Amway stole the design from Dyson, it is still really good. Hopefully you kept you ClearTrak. If you did you can go to this website. www.cleartrak.com . They still make parts for the ClearTrak and CMS-1000. If you want to get a new motor it is gonna cost around $100 for the motor. You can also get a refurbished ClearTrak or their Workhorse vacuum. (WMJ refurbishing now owns the rights to the ClearTrak and has rebranded it into the Workhorse). Now, with my experience with it I have to say it is a great vacuum. I like the height adjustment and it can deep clean pretty well. The filters aren't too bad until they start to have dust on them. Usually you don't see dust go into the filter area until the dust in the collection bin gets almost to the halfway mark. I hope this was helpful to you!
The Amway ClearTrak is a great cleaner. Either though Amway stole the design from Dyson, it is still really good. Hopefully you kept you ClearTrak. If you did you can go to this website. www.cleartrak.com . They still make parts for the ClearTrak and CMS-1000. If you want to get a new motor it is gonna cost around $100 for the motor. You can also get a refurbished ClearTrak or their Workhorse vacuum. (WMJ refurbishing now owns the rights to the ClearTrak and has rebranded it into the Workhorse). Now, with my experience with it I have to say it is a great vacuum. I like the height adjustment and it can deep clean pretty well. The filters aren't too bad until they start to have dust on them. Usually you don't see dust go into the filter area until the dust in the collection bin gets almost to the halfway mark. I hope this was helpful to you!
fantomfan
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They are OK
As long as you keep the filters below the Cyclone clean, they are fairly good cleaners. Carpet cleaning performance won't beat a Kirby or Royal but it still cleans fairly well. I like that the cyclone assembly is very easy to take apart and clean. Suction power isn't great, as are Fantoms but it's enough for most cleaning jobs. They are fairly robust as well with a thick cord and sturdy plastic. The handle is awkward though and should be longer. I bought mine NOS on ebay last year and have used it probably about a dozen times.
As long as you keep the filters below the Cyclone clean, they are fairly good cleaners. Carpet cleaning performance won't beat a Kirby or Royal but it still cleans fairly well. I like that the cyclone assembly is very easy to take apart and clean. Suction power isn't great, as are Fantoms but it's enough for most cleaning jobs. They are fairly robust as well with a thick cord and sturdy plastic. The handle is awkward though and should be longer. I bought mine NOS on ebay last year and have used it probably about a dozen times.
dysonman1
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I have both the ClearTrak and CMS1000 models. The lack of the shroud is a huge problem, as it lets threads and fluff into the high efficiency cyclone. Amway STOLE the design before Dyson had a chance to invent the shroud. The seven amp GS-built Dirt Devil motor provides adequate suction, but nothing like the airflow and suction of a Dyson. For their time, they were groundbreaking. They were made obsolete in 1993 with the launch of the DC01 Dyson - a far better "amway" than scamway ever had. The fact that scamway got Bissell to make the CMS and ClearTrak for them (while Dyson patents were still valid) says a lot about the design.
amway_cleartrak
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They did not use 7 amp motors.
All Amway vacuums used 3 HP 8 amp motors. The motors in the Amway ClearTrak used an 8 amp lamb motor built from Ametek. I think the motor in the CMS-1000 was an Ametek too but I'm not sure. But from all the Amway vacuums that I checked, they all had 8 amp motors. Why are you saying they used 7 amp ones?
All Amway vacuums used 3 HP 8 amp motors. The motors in the Amway ClearTrak used an 8 amp lamb motor built from Ametek. I think the motor in the CMS-1000 was an Ametek too but I'm not sure. But from all the Amway vacuums that I checked, they all had 8 amp motors. Why are you saying they used 7 amp ones?
8A 3Hp????How do they get this figure?an 8A 120V universal motor would only be slightly over 1Hp.A 3Hp universal brush motor would need a 20A outlet to run it.IE Milwaukee or B&D core drill press motors.These were TRUE 3hp motors!
I thought they were pretty good. Cleartrak.com really is a great website! I can't believe how much stuff they have. Too bad she doesn't still have either one, I guess she didn't know about the parts. I wonder if the filters got really dirty in the back? I would take one of these over a Dyson any day, they are a lot better that Dyson. Love the 80's look!
kirbysthebest
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I actually thought the FTC outlawed, or ruled against vacuum manufacturers using Horse Power ratings for vacuums.
From Wikipedia:
Horsepower is a unit measure of how much work is done. There are many different standards and types of horsepower.
Units called "horsepower" have differing definitions:
<ul>
<li>The mechanical horsepower, also known as imperial horsepower, of exactly 550 foot-pounds per second is approximately equivalent to 745.7 watts. (A 3 hp motor would draw 2,237.1 watts. More than is available in an American outlet.)</li>
<li>The metric horsepower of 75 kgf-m per second is approximately equivalent to 735.5 watts or 98.6% of an imperial mechanical horsepower.
<ul>
<li>The Pferdestärke PS (German translation of horsepower) is a name for a group of similar power measurements used in Germany around the end of the 19th century, all of about one metric horsepower in size.<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><span style="font-size: small;">[</span><span style="font-size: small;">4</span><span style="font-size: small;">]</span></sup><sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><span style="font-size: small;">[</span><span style="font-size: small;">5</span><span style="font-size: small;">]</span></sup><sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><span style="font-size: small;">[</span><span style="font-size: small;">6</span><span style="font-size: small;">]</span></sup></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>The boiler horsepower is used for rating steam boilers and is equivalent to 34.5 pounds (about 15.6 kg) of water evaporated per hour at 212 degrees Fahrenheit (100 degrees Celsius), or 9809.5 watts.</li>
<li>One horsepower for rating electric motors is equal to 746 watts.</li>
<li>Continental European electric motors used to have dual ratings, using a conversion rate of 0.735 kW for 1 hp</li>
<li>British Royal Automobile Club (RAC) horsepower is one of the tax horsepower systems adopted around Europe which make an estimate based on several engine dimensions.</li>
</ul>
The link spells it pretty clearly
FTC: Truth in advertising ruled that vacuum motor either didn't reach or only reached peak horsepower for .0083 seconds on start up. Not sufficient for a horsepower claim.
This is why vacuums started listing amperage, which was also deceptive, but have so far been able to prove they reach Peak amps.
http://units called "horsepower" have differing definitions:
From Wikipedia:
Horsepower is a unit measure of how much work is done. There are many different standards and types of horsepower.
Units called "horsepower" have differing definitions:
<ul>
<li>The mechanical horsepower, also known as imperial horsepower, of exactly 550 foot-pounds per second is approximately equivalent to 745.7 watts. (A 3 hp motor would draw 2,237.1 watts. More than is available in an American outlet.)</li>
<li>The metric horsepower of 75 kgf-m per second is approximately equivalent to 735.5 watts or 98.6% of an imperial mechanical horsepower.
<ul>
<li>The Pferdestärke PS (German translation of horsepower) is a name for a group of similar power measurements used in Germany around the end of the 19th century, all of about one metric horsepower in size.<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><span style="font-size: small;">[</span><span style="font-size: small;">4</span><span style="font-size: small;">]</span></sup><sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><span style="font-size: small;">[</span><span style="font-size: small;">5</span><span style="font-size: small;">]</span></sup><sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><span style="font-size: small;">[</span><span style="font-size: small;">6</span><span style="font-size: small;">]</span></sup></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>The boiler horsepower is used for rating steam boilers and is equivalent to 34.5 pounds (about 15.6 kg) of water evaporated per hour at 212 degrees Fahrenheit (100 degrees Celsius), or 9809.5 watts.</li>
<li>One horsepower for rating electric motors is equal to 746 watts.</li>
<li>Continental European electric motors used to have dual ratings, using a conversion rate of 0.735 kW for 1 hp</li>
<li>British Royal Automobile Club (RAC) horsepower is one of the tax horsepower systems adopted around Europe which make an estimate based on several engine dimensions.</li>
</ul>
The link spells it pretty clearly
FTC: Truth in advertising ruled that vacuum motor either didn't reach or only reached peak horsepower for .0083 seconds on start up. Not sufficient for a horsepower claim.
This is why vacuums started listing amperage, which was also deceptive, but have so far been able to prove they reach Peak amps.
http://units called "horsepower" have differing definitions:
amway_cleartrak
Member
Here.
Skip to 6:51 in the video. I think I might have said it wrong. The person in the video says 3 peak HP motor.
Skip to 6:51 in the video. I think I might have said it wrong. The person in the video says 3 peak HP motor.
dysonman1
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The CMS1000 used a Dirt Devil motor (the DD that used type C bags), which was rated at 7 amps. When the CMS was a new cleaner, we had a scamway dealer near us who sold a bunch of them. The motors all failed quickly due to the clogging filter. The Scamway doesn't work properly since it doesn't have a shroud, a VERY necessary part to the entire system. Scamway Corporation couldn't steal that part from James since he hadn't invented it yet when the design of the cleaner was stolen from him. I replaced all those motors with 7 amp GS-built Dirt Devil motors because the DD motors were exactly the same (even to the part number) of the motor I tool out. Bissell (who made the Scamway machine) used GS motors in their shampooers and cleaners at that time in history.
amway_cleartrak
Member
Shroud Shroud Shroud.....
Yes I know it's all important. "a VERY necessary part to the entire system" . I could literally put some fine mesh wiring over the cyclones holes and call it a "shroud". But seriously when the collection bin is empty, no dirt goes into the filter. When it starts to get halfway almost to the fill mark, thats when the dirt starts to go in the filter. But I rarely see hair or large fluff go into the filter tray. The manuals were pretty detailed to about the filters. That's why there are still a tone of Amway vacuums out there. The ones that are broken are just people who are too lazy to change the filters. Or they just completely abuse the vacuum.
Yes I know it's all important. "a VERY necessary part to the entire system" . I could literally put some fine mesh wiring over the cyclones holes and call it a "shroud". But seriously when the collection bin is empty, no dirt goes into the filter. When it starts to get halfway almost to the fill mark, thats when the dirt starts to go in the filter. But I rarely see hair or large fluff go into the filter tray. The manuals were pretty detailed to about the filters. That's why there are still a tone of Amway vacuums out there. The ones that are broken are just people who are too lazy to change the filters. Or they just completely abuse the vacuum.
kirbysthebest
Well-known member
"The ones that are broken are just people who are too lazy to change the filters. Or they just completely abuse the vacuum. "
This can pretty much be said for every kind of vacuum.
This can pretty much be said for every kind of vacuum.
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