After using the Hoover,Oreck,Dyson-here comes the Lux

[williamr1248]

This is what is interesting about vac collecting. After using the Hoover windtunnel,Oreck,Dyson, I used my 10 year old Electrolux Epic 8000 with it's soft brushes and look what came up on just 2 test clothes.
I guess no one vac gets all the dirt. Some just pick it up a little faster.

 

[tristar]

That's an EMBARRASSING amount of dirt for those other 3 machines to leave behind! I mean no vacuum gets everything, but after 3 vacuums getting THAT MUCH? Time to scrap some machines, methinks!

 

[williamr1248]

After using the Hoover,Oreck,Dyson-here comes the lux

Here she is looking all smug!

 

[williamr1248]

After the Hoover,Oreck,Dyson-here comes the Lux

Eric,
Get rid of my Hoover 100th Anniversary Windtunnel or Pink Dyson? Who could do that to your collection.
I wasn't trying to say the Electrolux was better it just went last.
We are on the same page. No vac gets all the dirt. Some just seem to get it faster. Years ago when I sold Electrolux during a college suumer break, I remember the Manager was an "old time" Electrolux salesman. He would always plie the dirt right where it came from(back on the customers rugs,floors,beds,chairs or sofa). It would just make a good housekeeper go crazy no matter what brand of vacuum she owned. He would have dirt EVERYWHERE. At this point it was pretty hard for the customer to argue that they didn't need a new sweeper. He NEVER used test clothes,dumped salt or cleaned with their machine first. He would just keep piling dirt everywhere. he always said you don't have to talk that much,just keep piling the dirt! It was a fun summer job.

 

[crevicetool]

Rob,

Did your Branch Manger ever pull about 5-6 dirt piles from the couch, then ask the prospect to sit on them? Of course they would say no.....My manager then used to say, "Why not?" "You have been the whole time I've been here" It was fun!

Rick

 

[aeoliandave]

There oughta be a Salesman's Textbook...oh, right, there is...

 

[tristar]

I hear what you're saying Rob, but DAMN!!!!! That is a LOT of dirt! I would expect the vacuums you used before to pull up more than that!

I did my own test in this forum between a Sanitaire and a Kirby (test isn't finished yet) and the 2nd vacuum to go barely got anything! It just seems like an awful lot of dirt left behind IMHO. The hair and fuzz left behind are certainly worrisome since you used not one, but TWO revolving brush machines before going by with the Lux!

 

[williamr1248]

After using the Hoover,Oreck,Dyson here comes the Lux

My Hoover and Oreck do Fluff the nap and make the rug look good. The Dyson has good suction with the tools but doesn't seem to have much umph on the carpet. Of course the Electolux depends on air-flow to move the dirt.
Many times during the demo the customers would end up standing because all the chairs were covered with dirt. We were told to LEAVE the dirt where it was removed so the customer could see what they were sitting and walking on.Many times the Machine would sell itself. Some of my customers are still using those 1205 Electrolux's today. I enjoy all the different brands of machines. I don't think there is ONE best vacuum for all situations.
I was quite surprised at the power and air-flow I got with the new "old" Compact.

 

[normvac]

Rob
Don't you have a power nozzle for the electrolux ??
I am amazed at the amount of dirt after the two
good uprights, then just a lux with straight suction??
Norm

 

[williamr1248]

After the Hoover,Oreck,Dyson-here comes the Lux

Hi Norm,
I do have the Electrolux Power Nozzle and that's what I used for the test clothes. I had just finished doing the hardwood floors when I took the picture.
The amount is not surpriseing to me with 2 cocker spaniels tracking in the house all day-lol
Norm, I was down visiting a vac club member close to you and we had been using vacs from his collection the entire day. That evening just for fun I wanted to try his purple 55 Air-Way and we were both surprised that it got more dirt than expected from his carpet. This was from a straight suction machine with an "old" cloth hose.
It sure makes collecting interesting. Did you ever see the infomercial from years ago where they went into a customers house and at the end they had 148 piles fo dirt from a very clean house. I am sure you could have done the same thing with a Kirby,Hoover,Rainbow or Compact.
The only machine I have in my collection that I really don't think does a very good job on my carpets is the Dyson,but that may just be the style of carpets i have in the house.
Hope to see you this summer!
Rob

 

[ridgidvac]

All depends on what carpet U have in your home

 

[vacuumfreeeke]

Wow... that Lux looks too modern to still bear the Electrolux name... I thought sure it would say Aerus on it. I'd love to have a modern Lux, just because of the style. I wonder if the new power nozzles are quiter than the one on my Diamond Jubilee.

I have a question.... I used to sell Kirbys, so I know all about the dirt meters (and we would also say the whole, "why won't you sit on the dirt now, you were doing it before... you have two choices, either the dirt can go and the kirby can stay or the dirt can stay and the kirby can go... will that be finance or cash?), but how do you use a test cloth in an Electrolux canister? Do you just stuff it in the bag chamber and slam it shut? Is there a special piece that you use to make it work?

The WindTunnels have very aggressive agitation, I'm surprised it left that much in the carpet as well!

 

[williamr1248]

After using the Hoover,Oreck,Dyson here comes the Lux

Bobby,
Way back when I was selling Electrolux,they never used test clothes. They had cloth bags that exactly fit the new machine. You cleaned the area (rug,sofa,bed,hardood floor) and then dumped the dirt right where you pulled it out.
Back in those days the power nozzle was an extra and there was no such thing as a powered hand tool for the sofa. Many sales were made just using the flip over straight suction tool.
The best salesman I ever went out with did VERY LITTLE TALKING. He would just keep dumping piles of dirt in front of the customer. Some sales came on the 2-3rd pile and sometimes he would dump 40-50 piles before the customer would be convinced. There was no need to put down the customers present vacuum. THE piles of dirt said it all.
I remember when I bought my Kirby in 1988,they did more talking and not pulling dirt. They were using small test pads and dumped salt on the rug. When I saw a Rainbow demoed it was the same way. A LOT of talk,talk and more talk. I guess each brand has there ways of selling.
I think at Electrolux they called it the "dig more dirt" demo. What could the customer say! There in front of them was pile after plie of dirt no matter what brand of cleaner they owned even if was an Electrolux.

 

[vacuumfreeeke]

But... how do the test clothes work? How to they go into the machine?

 

[williamr1248]

After using Hoover,Oreck,dyson,here comes the Lux

Bobby,
The black test cloth is just poked into the bag opening,then close the front cover.You have to let the machine comletely stop before opening the front cover to prevent the cloth being sucked into the bag.
I never saw an Electrolux demo use them but the Air-Way salesman used them when he sold my parents their new Air-Way Sanitizor in 1964 and the TriStar dealer used them when they demonstrated the TriStar.

 

[vacuumfreeeke]

Wow... I'd never have expected it to work like that! So the cloth is just sticking out of where the door closes? You close the door right over the excess cloth? How tacky!! How does the modern Lux you have compare to the older ones in terms of noise and suction? Thanks )

 

[elux89]

How does the suction/airflow compare

In regards to suction/airflow on Lux vacuums: Most two stage lux motors pull around 80 inches of lift. Stronger ones upto 86 or so, the weaker ones down to 75. The current motors (single stage) pull 80-84. Now, in regards to airflow, on the baird meter, without an exhaust filter, the non renaissance/epic 8000/guardian pull about 6-6.5. With an exhaust filter installed, the rating is reduced by about half a point. The guardian style pulls 3.5 with the hepa filter, without it pulls around 4.5. Suction ratings measured at the canister, airflow measured at the end of the hose. The only explanation I can come up with for the lack of airflow is when you look into the bag chamber on the guardian/8000 series, the lines/ridges on the sides and bottom are not as deep/pronounced as in the other canisters, consequently the bag has more of a tendency to stick to the wall??? I wonder if any others have tested to see the difference?? Needless to say, I was quite shocked and rather appalled, considering the one for the highest price has the poorest performance.

 

[williamr1248]

After using the Hoover,Oreck,Dyson here comes the Lux

Vernon,
Thanks for all the info on the Lux motors. Very interesting.
I have a 2100 and the Epic 8000. I can't tell that much difference. The 8000 is quieter and is easier to use but both have a Lux Feel to them. I have been told by several members that the later Guardian's are loud.
I was told by a Lux person that they are coming out with a new Guardian this spring that will remove the hepa filter from the top of the machine and there will be a color change.The suction/airflow is such a strange thing in vacuums. For instance my Hoover Anniversary upright and my Dyson both have very strong SUCTION at the end of the hose but my old Kirby Legend ll will beat them hands down with the airflow when acutally using the tools. On my hardwood floors there is such a difference and yet the Kirby dusting tools have much less suction at the end of the hose.
I also notice in actual use,the Kirby used with the belt turned off on hardwood floors seems to grab the dirt and debris much faster than some of the more powerful machines.
It was very noticable when comparing the ability to clean the kitchen floor and under the cabinets with the Oreck and Dyson.

 

[williamr1248]

After using the Hoover,Oreck,Dyson-here comes the Lux

Vernon,
I just got back from the book store and while I was there I checked consumer reports. They give just the oposite of what you found on the airflow with the Lux's. This is not to say you were incorrect. I wonder how they did their test?
Have you noticed that consumer reports does not seem to test machines for durability anymore. It seems they depend on owners sending in their repair history. Thanks for sharing your findings.