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OK, I am a little interested in this vacuum. I read that it had problems at first but have they been fixed? How good is this really and is it as good as the TOL Miele's, Sebos and Tacony's?

Another question....Where can I get this cheaper than usual? Used or demos are fine. Don't want to pay $2,000, heck don't want to pay $1,500 either.
 
I'd be very interested to hear views on this cleaner too.
From videos I've seen of it, it looks like a very well built machine with strong airflow excellent filtration and a long warranty but for the price it should be all these! 😀
 
I love mine. This pic is the late Dan Moses, trying out my then-brand-new Guardian Platinum against the 1937 model 30 in the 1930's room of the Vacuum Cleaner Museum. I've had it for years now, use it all the time (with HEPA bags) and LOVE it. Love the flip over rug/floor tool that's still high quality along with the high quality dusting brush/upholstery tool. I love how quiet it is. Fit and finish are above reproach. My favorite feature is the 'automatic' suction setting, as quiet as a model G.

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guardian platinum

I have tried one of these as well, they are good machines, but there are a couple things which would prevent me from getting one. First, they are quite expensive, you will probably pay at least $1000 for a new one, though you may be able to find a used or demo model for a cheaper price. The second reason is that the hose end and electrical connector are nonstandard. This may or may not matter to you but I prefer to be able to use all of my accessories with any of my vacuums, I'm a big fan of universal design. There is an adapter that will convert the hose end to use regular attachments, but the electrical connector is nonstandard, rather than the standard two prong mini female connector that is used by most other electric hoses, the connector is much larger, so you are limited to that particular power nozzle. For me, that's a deal breaker. However, what is important to one person may not be to another, so if you're ok with that limitation, it does clean very well and as Tom said, it's very quiet.
Mike
 
Take your point about not being able to use accessories. It's very annoying that manufacturers use non standard size hoses.

But still I'd love one of these it just oozes quality 😍
 
There are 3 canisters I'd like to own.
Top of the list would be the Aerus
Second would be the Riccar immaculate and 3rd I'd like to try a Rainbow. I'm not sure if I'd get on with a rainbow it is a bulky heavy machine and I'm told the hurricane motor is quite noisy but I could put up with that. Not sure if I'd like having to fill, empty and clean the bowl ever time though it might start to get on my nerves after a while but you just don't know till uve tried it.
I know it's a quality cleaner.
 
riccar immaculate

That does sound like a great machine, I may try and get one of these at the convention in June. Either that or the impecible. I think the main canister is the same on both of those, just a different power nozzle. The only thing that concerns me about these is that they have a circuit board since they have all the controls on the hose, more components to fail. Having said that, I have not heard of any boards failing in these.
You might also take a look at the Riccar Prima, it's a great canister and you can get several different power nozzles for it. It's a very quiet machine but cleans very well. The hose end is 35 mm in size instead of 32 MM, but that's easily solved with an adapter to allow you to use standard attachments, and the electrical connection is standard.
The rainbows I have heard are not that loud, certainly no louder than other vacuums. Of course, you have to maintain them, keep the basin clean and clean the separator every once in a while, not something I would choose to do but many users are happy with them.
 
I will be travelling to Missouri in July I'm hoping to try out some of the Riccars and possibly a few other Vacs too. Oh what fun! :-)
 
Lux Platinum Competition

It just seems like I am not hearing as many rave reviews of the Lux Platinum as I read in the past. I guess because there is more competition now than there used to be three or four years ago especially for the price?
 
price of guardian platinum

I think you could get something that cleans just as well for a cheaper price. A riccar Prima, Riccar Immaculate, or even the Aerus classic. Another top of the line canister is the Sebo D4. A while back there was a very long thread about the guardian platinum, if you do a search it should turn up.
Mike
 
Marcus,


 


Will you be visiting the Vacuum Cleaner Museum in St. James Missouri in July? You would be able to try out many modern day vacuums of most brands as well as the old ones. The Tacony factory is next door to the museum where you can get a tour and watch Riccars and Simplicitys  being made.
 
Mike - n0oxy

Actually, I have a used Simplicity Moxie on the way. It is a little beat up, but I want to see how it compares to other top canisters like the Lux, which doesn't seem to get any love anymore.

Mike
 
Lux platinum, Riccar Impeccable and Miele

Mixman,

The Guardian Platinum is a fantastic vacuum, perhaps the best canister unit (body) made. As Tom pointed out it has super fit and finish and mind-blowing performance that also reminds me of the XXX. Light, twin HEPA, 28' cord and a super display you can actually use. The auto feature works great on the throw rugs in front of the flush and if used all the time, said to extend motor life to 1500 hours from the standard 1200. The new bags are great and the wheels perform well, unlike Miele, in virtually all carpet types. The latest version of the Lux Omniflo power nozzle with the HTM variety of Johnson power nozzle motor motor utilizes a different sprocket and belt that muffles much of the characteristic Lux sound of the earlier nozzles. When you figure in the high quality floor, dusting brush, crevice and Sidekick it is the total package unlike others in the market. I like the high quality urethane hose that is long and flexible along with the updated Tristar hose handle but hate the plastic wands. The upside is the wands are cheap to fix, light and reasonably durable. I ordered the Tristar dust brush and furniture tool due to the positive locks on each. I love the attachments on the top of the wand so I am not always digging into a compartment on the canister body. I also ordered an extra set of wands for the combo rug and floor tool so I have two separate assemblies for the power nozzle and hard floor. I give this machine high marks for the smooth Domel power, long warranty, convenience and a display that is both informative and easy to read at a distance. Some will say that the Omniflo is less aggressive at deep cleaning than the 236 Miele and others. With the green brush roller model HP 48011 it will rival the Miele 236 all day in ASTM testing and love the L-shape. Swiss Aroma scents can be ordered on Ebay from several sources in Europe that fit the scent holder on the side of the machine.

I also have a Riccar Impeccable and it too is a super unit. Like the Platinum it has more power than the Miele and unlike the other two, gets that through a double fan motor. Love the super long hose, quality of the in-house blow molded components and long cord like the Platinum. The Akzo Nobel paint on these units is beautiful. I am not a fan of the membrane switches on the handle as I prefer the single on/off switch and the gorgeous display on the Platinum canister itself. As for nozzle performance, the Riccar is superb, especially if you use Lux or Kirby suds on a regular basis and prefer it to the Miele 236. It is also fairly quiet. I don't particularly care for the double helix, 48497 roller with 11 degree pitch that comes standard on the Platinum's Omniflo to recover dry foam crystals either. I also have the Riccar compact/petite nozzle that is like the Miele 217 but actually cleans well. Sooo quiet and great in small areas like bedrooms and other tight quarters. Bag and filter quality are very good. It, like its sister the Moxie are great units for larger homes especially those shared with dogs and cats. The p/n elbow joints are better than both Lux and Miele. I find this machine to be a better quality unit than comparable Miele units. Dealers make a better margin on Miele so Mrs. Jones is pushed to Miele and the consumables like brush rollers are way more profitable. Downside it this is a full size chassis.

As for Miele, excellent units with annoying design elements like short hoses and cords coupled with high consumables cost. The attachments are lousy for a machine costing nearly $1K. The Marin does not feel like the Silver Moon I had and loved, it just has the 236 nozzle without the fluorescent light and transformer issues that plagued that nozzle on its introduction. The Vorex motor is not as durable as previous versions like the Ametek clone/Miele manufactured motor in mine. A friend of mine from my days at Lux sold a new Miele upright to an office building here to vacuum their lobby. Motor was replaced 6 times last year before they went to sebo. Their older Miele vacuum lasted for years without motor replacement. Miele is so easy to get parts and supplies for, quiet, powerful and also a really good vacuum that, like the other two, will last many years with proper care.

The Lux and Riccar power nozzles are super to work on, the Miele is a PITA. Riccar is assembled in the US with Ametek Mexico motors and I am told assembly of the Platinum is underway @ Lux Bristol. The German quality speaks for itself. You can't go wrong with any of these three units. YMMV

Brian
 
riccar impeccable

I did not know that the impeccable had a two stage motor, that's not very common these days. I would love to know if the immaculate and impeccable are the same canister and just different power nozzles, or if the canister and motor are different as well.
If the Guardian Platinum used a standard hose end and standard electrical connector, I would probably get one, but as I said, I want to be able to use any of my attachments and power nozzles, and if I can't, that's a deal breaker regardless of how good the machine is.
I have a Miele C1 olympus, it's a straight suction model, it works well, though Miele's attachments tend to be expensive. A much better alternative is to get an adapter to convert the hose end to 32 mm, then you have many more attachment choices. The Miele power nozzles are rebranded Wessel Werk nozzles, I've heard they are difficult to work on and have also heard that there are issues with the neck on those. I think the Sebo power nozzles are the easiest to work on, you don't need any tools to remove the roller.
So the Guardian Platinum uses a Dommel motor, from what I have seen, those are very good motors. My Purvac barracuda Central vacuum unit uses a Dommel motor and so does my Sanitaire backpack vacuum. Both are quiet and very powerful, so I'm sure the motor in the platinum is good as well.
Mike
 
Brian

Thanks for the info. I do have to disagree with you on the Miele canisters. I haven't mentioned it before, but I do have a Homecare Deluxe C3 and I love it. Just wanted to wait several weeks to see if the thrill would wear off after a while and it hasn't. It is quiet, the 236 is relatively quiet too and seems to clean very well. Almost as well as my Miele and Sebo uprights. My one dislike is the short hose. I would definitely pay more for a longer one. Having the handle controls makes this thing a joy to use too. Also, more so than many other vacuums the Mieles can be picked up at a bargain price. You just have to call around and negotiate. Got my Homecare Deluxe for a lot less than $1,000.

Would like another quality canister for the upstairs to just have around. Looking into a Kirby too but that's another post. As far as canisters, I wanted to check out brands like the Lux and Riccar/Simplicity brands. Little hesitant on the Lux Platinum though because for such an expensive model you have to bend down to operate the suction controls by hand. Heck you can't even do it with your foot unless you are member of Cirque Du Soleil!!! Not sure I can get on with that so I will probably be on the lookout for a used or demo Lux Platinum to see if I like it.
 
Couple more questions....

What does the Lux Platinum excel at? Trying to figure out why people buy it. As I understand the wand is not adjustable, the powerhead is not height adjustable and the handle doesn't have suction controls. Is it more because there is a fondness for Aerus or is there something that makes this model truly exceptional especially at it high asking price?
 
Mixman.. about how long is the hose on your Miele homecare? Just curious as to how it compares to other brands
 
I love my Miele C3 FreshAir suction-only canister. It is a pleasure to use. It came with a great SpotLight handle that is unique to Miele. And it came with an extra long cord and telescopic wand which provides plenty of reach. If I wanted to, I could buy Miele's "extend-a- hose" attachment to add another two feet of reach, but so far I have not found the need.

The AirTeq carpet nozzle is excellent for surface litter pick-up even on deep pile carpet. Best thing about my Miele: excellent noise suppression and exhaust filtration which does not blow dirt around on bare floors.
 
Yes I really like my C3 too but just trying to figure out whether I should add a Lux Platinum to the collection.

By the way an Aerus salesman is trying to sell me one. What's the lowest can I get this for?
 
Lowest you can pay

Will be dependent upon what he is willing to accept. 


 


It will also depend upon how high up the ladder he is on sales.  Considering there is about a 600% mark up on DTD vacuums, the closer to the top he is the more wiggle he will have.


 
 
Brian - Just so you are aware, the motor in the TOL Tacony canisters - Moxie, Gusto, Immaculate & Impeccable - is NOT a double fan motor. It's a single fan Chinese motor, & if I am remembering correctly it's produced by a company that Tacony owns in China. See link below.

Mixman/Mike - As for the Aerus Platinum, to me it's not worth the $2G price the dealers want, not even if you got it for $1500. First off, the vacuum is seriously lacking in features. For that price, all the controls for speed & on, off & powerhead on/off should be on the hose handle. There's no telescopic wand, no quick release pn neck - you have to bend over to put the floor brush on, no height adjustment, no dirt sensor & no metal brushroll like Riccar/Simplicity canisters have. The bags are too small & overpriced....I was actually at one point considering a Platinum & looked into the cost of bags, found out that the price of the bags is roughly the same as Miele charges for their G/N bags, & the Aerus bags aren't 9 ply like Miele bags that you can stuff 3/4 full. I am also not impressed with the quality of the pre-motor HEPA filter, the filter paper used is nowhere near the quality it should be for a vacuum costing $2G, I guess it's a good thing they changed to HEPA Cloth bags, & of course the post-motor HEPA Filter will be nowhere near the quality Miele's HEPA Filter is, & will cost more than the $50 dollars Miele charges for theirs.

Regarding the build quality & Tom Gasko saying "Fit and finish are above reproach"....oh really? Go ahead & open the bag door & look at the cheap plastic on the bag door & in the bag compartment, it's CLEAR looking at it this vacuum was made in Slovenia. And regardless of what anyone says about it's a "metal" vacuum, it's just a metal covering on a plastic body. And I highly doubt production of the Platinum will ever be brought to Bristol, Virginia. Joe Urso has made it VERY CLEAR ever since he bought Electrolux, through his own actions, that he has no interest in it, this is just another investment to him that he has stripped assets from & sold off. He has destroyed Electrolux, & I have no respect for the man. The ONLY vacuums that Aerus Holdings has designed is the Tristar MG Series, & the previous Aerus Guardian that was essentially a 2100 with a redesigned top. Everything else the company has brought out has been products from other companies they have bought & rebranded their products, or they have had other manufacturers rebrand their products with the Aerus name. The Aerus Guardian Platinum was NOT designed by Aerus at all, nor did they have any input in it's design. All they did is go to Lux International & ask them to make the vacuum in 120 volts for them. I have read online that Tom Gasko & Derreck Fricke, a fellow Vacuumland member & Aerus dealer, approached Joe Urso at a VDTA convention & arm-twisted Joe Urso to bring the Lux Intelligence, known here as the Platinum, to North America. And I wholeheartedly believe it, considering Joe Urso's character. I don't believe any of the story Aerus has put out that it was co-developed between Aerus & Lux International. It's painfully clear that's a total lie when you look at Lux International's previous models.

The Aerus Guardian Platinum does have some good qualities to it though. The urethane vinyl hose is much easier to use than Miele, & a upgrade in quality over Riccar/Simplicity while still having the same ease of use & flexibility. It's nice to see they retained the blower feature, & the Sidekick III IMHO is the best mini PN currently on the market, something pet owners will appreciate for getting the hairs off the couch & stairs. The 15 year warranty is nice too, the only other companies I am aware of that has a warranty anywhere close is Miele, when they do their once a year 10 year warranty promotion for 1 month. Sebo also has a 10 year warranty, but it's warranty doesn't cover labor the entire 10 years, & certain components like the electric hoses are excluded. Compared to the Miele, Sebo & Riccar/Simplicity canisters, the Aerus Guardian Platinum is way overpriced, underfeatured & Aerus will need to do signifigant improvements to features & product quality if they want to successfully compete in the high-end canister vacuum marketplace.

Rob

http://www.hibbert.ca/index.jsp?pat...s=mfr&process=search&qdx=0&ID=,Riccar,mfr-1O8
 
There's nothing like a solid vacuum... unless you prefer a lightweight one with lots of flexible features that still gets the job done and lasts. I was eying up this Platinum but one of my favorite features in my other vacuums is an adjustable wand. It saves my back. Quiet and lightweight are also very admirable features.
 
Yeah Rob

You hit the nail on the head. After doing a lot of research, it's too lacking in features for its high price, which is why I will not pay over $1K for one new and used a lot less. I was just asking why is this such a cult classic, if being quiet and good suction are it's only good points?

I also just spent a while on the phone with a Aerus store owner telling me why he can't sell me the vac for less that $2K, and me telling him it barely has enough features for me to pay $1,000. This is one of those vacuums I will get if it falls into my lap for a great price, because in my eyes I would use my C3 far more than the Lux.
 
Thanks Mike.

I think part of the reason why everyone is so interested in the Platinum is it's a Electrolux. Electrolux is just one of those brands that's so legendary for quality, design & performance, a machine Grandma passed onto her daughter, & Mom in turn passes it onto her daughter. And some families, all they owned was Electrolux floor care products, just like some are loyal to Kirby & Filter Queen.

One other brand I am going to say is not worth the money for their canisters is Sebo. For the same reasons....they are just too underfeatured for the $1G they charge for the full size Sebo D4 canister. And their S Class filtration system is seriously flawed, put it on a particle scanner & watch the scanner go constantly up & down as it detects particulates the Sebo's filtration system misses. The only premium high end vac shop brand canisters worth considering, IMHO, are Miele, Riccar/Simplicity & Lindhaus. There are also a couple of fairly new players on the scene that hold some promise....The Bank brand, which makes a rebadged Simplicity Verve called "The Bank Vault", look like really nice machines. And there's also the Soniclean canisters, which are made by EIO in Germany, which is considered a lower-tier German brand compared to Miele, Sebo, Bosch/Siemens & Fakir-Nilco. The Soniclean canisters look like they are well featured for straight suction machines, & have good bags & filtration systems, it will be interesting to see if they ever come out with a powerhead model to compete with Miele.

I personally am one person who is loyal to Electrolux. And note when I say that, I did NOT mean Aerus, or the "other" Electrolux AB of Sweden, I mean THE ORIGINAL Electrolux, from 1924 to 1999. My Mom owned a housekeeping service for over 35 years, & for 29 years she used a Canadian Model 89 like in the thread I linked to below. She cleaned 2 to 3 houses a day, six days a week, for 29 years with that vacuum. NOT ONCE did the canister itself break....the only thing it needed at 23 years old, besides a couple replacement hoses, a new PN & new tools over the years, was new carbon brushes for the motor. Everything else was entirely original when Mom died when it was 29 years old. You try finding another household brand in 1969 when Mom bought it that would take hard, punishing commercial use. It's kind of hard not to admire a company when they put out such a high quality product like that.

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?9713
 

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