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Hmmm. If it isn't broken why would you change it? Kirby's platform has worked well for 90 years.

As for Hoovers battery powered vacuums. I have used both the commercial back pac vacuum and Wind tunnel styled upright. Not the greatest performers. Only advantage No cord. Performance not there. as well as run time.
 
Lol

You have to take his videos with a grain of salt.
Hoover cordless is trash. Shark ION flex, Dyson's $600 cordless,riccar/simplicity volt, LG are the best cordless vacuums. The Miele I've heard is good too.
You mention no one getting above a c grade or higher with a bagless. The rainbow, hyla, sebo and almost every central vacuum has a bagless system.
Royals backpack vacuum is the new rebranded Hoover. The sanitaire is bissells and Hoover's commercial upright.
I thought oreck got bought out. Sanitaire has the along with NSS and Proteam which I believe is owned by Emerson are the best commercial vacuums. Proteams backpack vacuum is one and sanitaire is two.
He knows his stuff and I think he says things just for a reaction and it works great. He has plenty of threads that irk people.
Nice video and screw Dyson.
Sir Dyson is worth $12.7 billion dollars. He is still a douche.
Les
 
@lesinutah see you get it it's meme video.


@kirby519 there's no logical reason to buy a new Kirby in 2020.
I consider Hoover's cordless technology to be one of the industry leaders.
No cordless vacuums are not great performers right now with the exception of the lindhaus products.
 
Your basis on the rating of the Kirby was more about the how they are sold. And not about the quality, performance, or the fact that it can be repaired. yes there are some sales groups that need to be shut down.

That substantiated by your remark to me that there is no reason to by a Kirby in 2020. If that is the case and your right I don't need to buy one in 2020 I will just wait until 2021. After all I am worth a new Kirby any time.

There is a very good reason to buy a Kirby. They will out last anything out there and out perform most others. If you know how to wheel and deal you can get it for a good price.

Those of us born before 1970 are used to well build products designed to last longer than 24 months before you need to purchase the latest innovation.

I am taking this latest rating system with a grain of salt.
 
Cordless technology isn't bad. Currently it just can't produce enough power to perform at the same level as an electric motor and only for 60 - 90 minutes depending on the power setting you are using.

Quick clean ups no problem. through cleaning for long periods of time it just isn't up to the task.

Just because you sell and service vacuums doesn't mean you know everything about what works best in the field. I don't know everything either. However I know what hasn't failed me.

Not only do I use a vacuum at home I also use them in the commercial cleaning market since 1987. I do the research have tried many different models over the years.
 
Kirby519 - Consumer Reports has added new ratings based on owner satisfaction. Kirby scored 4/10 in user satisfaction. Kirby will have to do something to improve owner satisfaction, or their sales will suffer. Perhaps they need to do informercials to market their vacuums, or perhaps they will need to modernize the design and make it more user friendly - I don't know.
 
@kirby519 Think you're simply misinformed on the matter.

Kirby doesn't outperform very many vacuums in 2020. Most vacuums have double to triple the power now. The rubber belt causes inconsistent results something that everybody else has done away with as well.

If we were talking pre G7 pre g10 I would agree with you and with their longevity.
But post G10 Kirby's simply aren't lasting . There was a motor bearing issue made a lot of them die within 5 years . Consumers are no longer used to the dirty air fan so often once the fan is broken the machine is discarded. So much for longevity.
Why would a consumer pay three four times the price for this machine in 2020 when many other machines will out clean it and Outlast it in the $500-1000 price range
@ralph123 Has a great point about customer satisfaction most Kirby customers are dissatisfied with their machine after they purchase it.
I recently bought a G3 because I like it late 19080s styling.

Now folks two things can be true at once.
#1 Kirby's are outdated,have below average performance and overpriced.
#2 Kirby vacuums are a joy to use and collect for us folks on vacuumland.

@ralph123 They've made top notch rather innovative products for years out of Italy.
Unlike Miele and some of the other A Tier manufacturers they haven't had any recalls. No notable problems in quality or model issues. Truly an S tier brand that's underrated that continues innovate.
 
@ralph123

Yes it is true Kirby suffers in most consumer ratings. However when reading the comments post with these rating there are far more people complaining about # 1 being pressured into buying a Kirby. Or how a 85 year old that due to the natural aging process and truthfully does struggle to push the vacuum or change attachments was hood winked into purchasing a Kirby. It isn't about the quality or performance the vacuum.

Of the thousands of dissatisfied customers there thousands of customers like myself that appreciate The Kirby Vacuum. If that were not the case they would have vanished out of site just like the Fantom vacuum. Long Long ago.

Or about how hard it is to push or set up by an other wise physically capable 20 to 50 yr old. I learned how to use a Kirby vacuum at age 2.5 to 3 yrs old in 1969. How difficult can it be if you can teach a 3 yr old how to use one?

I have been in the commercial cleaning market since January of 1987. What access to vacuum cleaners do I have? And I have repaired an worked on all of them we have ever tried out. I'm very well versed in what performs well and what doesn't. Here in Wisconsin we use tons of salt to melt ice and snow off the side walks. Something they don't use in Texas, Arizona and Florida. All vacuums struggle with it. And some more so than others.

It would stand to reason the vacuums that people have gotten used to is a clean air machines. Hmmmm must be because that is what is 99% available today.

Watch any home shopping net work show or infomercial about the latest innovations in a vacuum cleaner and you will notice that any vacuum they believe can out perform what they are currently selling has been rigged in some way to fail in comparison to the new vacuum. And that has been called out here on several occasions

I'm sure Vacuumdevil's coworkers and boss read these posts as well. It is in his financial best interest down play any vacuum they don't sell. It works the same way at the vacuum store as it does in your very own living room. pressured to buy a new one because that"Out dated" platform Kirby still uses just wrong.

Vacuumdevil has been selling and servicing vacuums for about 15 years. Give or take a few. I have 15-18 years of real life experience with vacuums by the time he was born in 1987. This Is still America and he can believe that I am misinformed if he wants to.
 
I have a hard time reading and processing all this Kirby hate. Not saying it was mentioned on this thread. I remember reading someone on here said Kirbys were not deep carpet cleaners? Come on now, what???

I can literally see my Avalir lift the carpet off the floor and feel the vibration underneath my feet. I can see the argument it may be difficult for some users to switch between the different modes (canister/shampooer).

After all of Vaclab's tests on airflow. I don't see how the numbers can lie. I've yet to find a bypass (clean air) machine that deep cleans carpet as well as my Kirbys.
 
Hmm

I mentioned he likes to rile people up didn't I?
The avalir motor is supposed to have I'm guessing a different field to produce higher RPMs. If you buy an avalir take the motor out buy a replacement motor. They use the same motor g3-avalir2. I'd get an early sentria field on it. I'd pop front and rear motor bearings off. I'd go to a bearing wholesaler and get the best bearing available.
I have a Kenmore elite upright. I believe it was a vacuum of the year by somebody. I have seen it rated at 150 CFM and I don't doubt it at all. It has no belt. I'm pretty sure it can pull the carpet off the tack strip. It's got very high agitation. I get highly agitated when using it. I pull it across the floor and hope it doesn't inhale a rug or little cat toy. I hate the vacuum.
I use my c9 and cxl with Wessell werk ebk-360 power nozzle. It's rated 2.5 amps and has a geared belt. It's my daily driver and I love it.
Kirby is pretty good at agitation. If it had a geared belt and a sensor to stop the brush roll it would help.
Kirby is a complete machine and has everything you need. You could argue it's underpowered. You could call it efficient. Europe has a power limit of around 1200 watts. They use air-powered nozzles. If Kirby is 840 watts is take it over any 1200 watt air nozzle vacuum any day. I assume approximately 10 amps is the max output but 12 amps are usually the highest power of vacuums. It will clean as good as a Sebo or Miele. It's going to ruin more items than both competitors. It isn't going to filter anywhere near either of the competitors.
Yet he knows all this and people are going to reply.
It's like I've been here before. I may be in the twilight zone or somewhere else where I need new balance to comprehend this.
Les
 
ok Boomer

@kirby519 I'm not trying to be rude dude. But you're way out of touch with reality here.
Dirty air/direct air machines, fell out of favor for not having attachments, lack of power and having extra maintenance that was no longer necessary.
Dude I like Kirby vacuums they're just not the end-all to the industry not even close.

You start arguing from a place of authority, by saying you're whatever age.
Then you go on to say something about "co-workers or boss following me on vacuumland". I'm very confused by the statement all together.
Here's an FAQ video bring you back to reality a little bit. Maybe know who you're talking to?


@kloveland
We don't need to turn this into another thread about bills hillbilly science
That's been discussed enough.
You need both air flow and sealed vacuum numbers for a machine to clean well.
The working vacuum in the machine is very low as a result.
Numbers don't lie if you test all the numbers and not just masturbate to CFM.
Also what bill doesn't understand and refuses to talk about are air flow paths. The shape of the Kirby nozzle& fan chamber is rather inefficient . The nozzle especially creates unnecessary turbulence with a brush spinning inside it.
Again I'm not saying the Kirby doesn't clean I'm saying it's below average for what's available in 2020.
 
I think the only issue with Kirby is their ability to innovate and move with the market. That and their sales tactics. They have a powerful, proven design that is great on carpet and has a wide array of attachments for many tasks. The problem is that the new consumer level is "LAZY". They won't want to take an extra 2 seconds to do anything!! The average consumer today expects everything at the drop of a hat with a quick touch of a button from their SmartPhone and since a Kirby can't be controlled from their smart phone and has turn locks and other "mechanical" things to do, they don't want it.

I sold for Filter Queen and Rainbow for a few years. I came across MANY Kirby homeowners. They all complained about the pushy sales tactics. Some tried saying NO, and the sales reps went out to the van then came back pushing gifts, some consumers mentioned having to call the police on them. Also many of the Kirby households had purchased Kenmore, Bissell or similar vacs as their main driver as they claimed that the Kirby was too heavy and complicated to use.

I have very little Lindhaus experience but know they are highly reputed for excellent build quality and filtration. Many central vacuums have the Stealth power nozzle kit available, and that is a Lindhaus power nozzle.

Hoover, Dirt Devil and Oreck are TTI. I keep hearing varying stories. Some say that Maytag was killing Hoover and when the sale was finalized to TTI, they literally had no documents or anything of the past. Some say TTI is slowly working to make Hoover great again. At the same time, since TTI acquired Hoover, they later acquired the other 3 companies and have infused Hoover designs into those company names. The Royal brand is gone. Their metal machines were good cleaners and lighter weight than Kirby but with fewer options. They also weren't pushed to a consumer like Kirby is with the In home demo. Dirt Devil was always meant to be a value based, budget friendly line. Oreck pushed that 8 pound design. I for one have always suffered from the leaks in the Oreck system from poor handle connections, poor bag dock, and not enough suction power to brush roll area, I've had allergy spasms with any Oreck upright I've ever used with in just a couple minutes of being turned on.

Mieles are great!! I've only used a few but have been very impressed with their performance.

Sebo/ Windsor I have a hard time with. They are very durable with great filtration. The brush roll removal system for cleaning is awesome. The new E series canister is extremely quiet with lots of airflow and suction. I also like that they actually offer full sized attachments. The D4 canister even has nice storage for all of the full sized attachments and with a 40' cord rewind system, it's the longest rewind I've ever heard of from canisters and uprights. It's when Sebos attempt to clean carpet that frustrates me. I have yet to run one that accomplishes that well and I would love to. I did a sand test at a vac shop. A Miele SEB 228 and SEB 236 power nozzle really bounced the sand making an tornado like effect on the carpet and all the sand was gone in a couple passes. With the Sebo that wasn't the case at all. 20 passes trying various brush rolls and the carpet looked filthy. A Riccar Prima canister with standard Riccar power nozzle cleaned up in one pass what the Sebo couldn't in 20. Even a Hoover Spirit canister with the smaller more basic Quadraflex PowerMatic that was in the vac shop for a visit proved better performance and stronger agitation and the Spirit was Hoover's least powerful suction unit for a power team.
 
Certainly everyone has their favorites, and if you asked 100 people to make a grid/tier they would have different opinions. I could see some people placing Rainbow at the top and everything else below. Others might place their Kirby's at the top. This is VacuumDevils tier, so he can put them wherever he sees fit.

To me, Kirby is a one trick pony. It cleans medium pile carpet extremely well in wide open spaces. The design requires a huge bag for the huge airflow. That makes the vacuum big and bulky. The lack of on board tools is a problem for many people. Clearly many Kirby owners never use the tools/attachments, which is great for collectors. With the rising popularity of hard surface flooring, I can see why Kirby's popularity has waned. I have more hard wood flooring in my house than carpeting. Thus a Kirby would not be desirable for me.
 
I was really looking forward to seeing the avalir but when I saw it for the first time I was disappointed all that excitement just to see a new shampooer and a big hole in the handle I wasn’t very impressed that’s what I like about other manufacturers they seam to keep innovating whilst Kirby just thinks a a colour change will do
 
@kloveland It would definitely seem powerful if you compared it to trash like that.

I don't know if you follow my channel much? But I tend to test medium to high-end machines. But even some of the basic Hoover's will out clean a Kirby. It's been like that for a long time too.



@ralph123 I like that "one-trick Kirby pony"



@kirbyg6 I'm glad I wasn't the only one disappointed by a hole in the handle of a vacuum.
 

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