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[turbo500]

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I thought it had a bad reputation for it's chavvy teenagers and high levels of crime


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Tayyab, that could be any British city you're describing there. On balance of the population being denser in big cities than it is in smaller towns and villages, there is of course higher crime rates and "chavvy teenagers". But that's the same for most cities. I wouldn't say Bradford has a higher rate of crime or more chavs than any other big city.


 


Like everywhere, it has it's nice places. The inner-city suburbs are a bit dodgey, and there's a huge estate called Ravenscliffe that frankly I wouldn't set foot in, but there's also some really nice places too.

 

[vacerator]

Ravenscliffe, etc.

Didn't BBC do a documentary on that housing estate? part of the series, "the great estate"?
I realize Britain had to replace so many WWII destroyed houses, so large estates were needed. However, Shoddy site built concrete panels that fit together poorly and dampness transmitted to the inside walls leading to mold problems led to their demise.
Part of Park Hill in Sheffield has been gentrified. I don't understand why a well built pre 1960 estate in London can't be saved. The name escapes me at the moment.
It's near the BBC at the north end of Wood lane.
Across the Thames, in Southwark council, near Elephant & Castle, the Heygate estate is a memory.
Chicago had Cabrini Green and Robert Taylor homes. St. Louis had Pruitt Igoe. More like prisons. After seeing those, I'm not a fan of high density housing.

 

[vacerator]

"the british family in retrospect"

They also did several then and now documentaries from the Edwardian period to the present day.

 

[vacerator]

Ravenscliffe

Giant rats? But new homes are also being built there now.
During Thatcher's council ownership for tenants sell off, many who bought their units found themselves priced out of the market when their buildings were condemned.

 

[turbo500]

Giant rats?

That's the place! New houses have been built on the Greengates side of Rave-o (as it's known locally), but the middle and top end of the area are still pretty horrific. For a long term, our local bus company refused to serve the area after 6pm.

 

[vacerator]

Turbo500?

Near to where you grew up, or live now?

 

[turbo500]

Ravenscliffe is near to where I grew up. Actually, not that near - otherside of Bradford to where I'm from. Some relatives on my Dad's side of the family used to live there though.


 


I live near Skipton now.

 

[sebo4me]

I thought this was a site for discussing vacuum cleaners?

 

[turbo500]

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I thought this was a site for discussing vacuum cleaners?


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Funny Marcus, I thought you'd been banned?

 

[sebo4me]

Oh nasty Nancy!
I very well behaved now

 

[vacerator]

Banned?

We may all be, but we are discussing vacuums. Do not all houses have them to clean with? As you said last evening,(here)much later there by at least 4 hours; even though some live in council houses, they are still done up to the Nine's with quality carpets, etc.
Back in 1993, my ex of eleven years dumped me for a kid 8 years my junior, and I was 4 years my exes junior.
My counselor told me not to make any major decisions for a year, so I put my equity from the house in the bank. I am a model railroader as well, and I wasn't leaving my HO scale Bavarian themed lay out behind. I rented the cheapest apartment I could find. One bedroom (large) about 850 sq. feet. No pool, no balcony. In an older, but still safe (then) area. I set that up in the living room (lounge). I ate off a small drop leaf table. Not about to go without my beloved hobby all cold winter. I also took both vacuum cleaners.

 

[sebo4me]

Toot toot

 

[suctionselector]

Aha!

2point4 children!! Such a great show. It is indeed bloody Thatcher.

 

[turbo500]

Well evidently not Marcus if you insist on policing other people's conversations. Let it flow

Jacob, what's 2.4 got to do with it?

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Thatcher was not responsible for the end of our many industries, the unions were. It were the unions who were striking all the time, over "not enough sugar in the jars" at the Ford factory in Durham for example, silly things like that.

My late father, who was 71 when i he passed away 18 months ago, was from that time. He remembered the piles of rubbish in the streets, the crumbling roads, the fact you could only us electricity certain times of the day, you cold only have a few inches of bath water the list goes on and on. That was until Thatcher.

She came from a working background. She introduced the right to buy and help the buy schemes. the shifted people living standards. The poor were less poor, the richer were richer.

She wouldn't put up with the unions holding this country to ransom ever winter. She stopped Britain going down the path of Greece and Spain.

Oh and on top of all of that, she protected the Falkland islands and put the Argies in their place.

 

[sebo4me]

I'm no fan of Maggie Thatcher but you can't keep subsidising unprofitable businesses can you.
Britain was the sick man of Europe in the 70s and it was mostly down to powerful unions. That had to change.

 

[sebo4me]

Well said Mr Olive oil

 

[vacerator]

Unions, etc.

The conservatives (many do) not all blame all the fault on the unions.
Hold on now? At least here, since 1980, many gave back concessions to keep their jobs. Lee Iacoca paid back the Chrysler loan guarantees to the government early in fact, before 1983.
What helped do that was the modest price of K cars and their first mini vans.
Also the fact we still had a fairly prosperous middle class.
Two tier labor contracts came about in 1987, causing dissention among the ranks, but it kept companies profitable, and still brought in union dues.
Some of the fault is to be validly blamed on unions, but not all of it.
Excess Greed mostly. We sent hundreds of thousands of jobs to Mexico, Japan, then Taiwan, Korea, and then China. You would think profits would be sky high with cheap labor. Yet, General Motors went bankrupt in May 2009, and Chrysler a second time. They caused trickle down unemployment of over 35% of their own customers. Then the banks. A $200 billion dollar tarp rescue bailed them all out.
Now they are profitable again, and employees received big profit sharing dividends this year. What I find also mazing id that the government has not faultered one iota in operating, nor paying benefits to indigent people.
We still have an illegal alien problem from south of our border because those jobs we sent there pay them lousy, so they sneak up here.

 

[sebo4me]

I'm afraid left wing policies have never worked and never will.
The middle ground is the place to be.

 

[sebo4me]

Can we get back to vacuums now this is not a political forum.