3D printed Kirby adapter for disposable bags

[preston]

Hi everyone. My partner brought home his grandma's Kirby Classic III. I think I've seen on here a 3d printed adapter that can be attached to the emptor so you can attach a hepa bag. I've searched but can't find it. does anyone remember this? and if so how does it perform and how do I get a hold of it?

thanks

 

[abcvacplacentia]

Hey Preston,

I'm working on a 3D printed adaptor and bag kit to fit all of the shakeout bag Kirbys. I have already finished the round adaptor that fits the D80 and older. Kelton just received the file for the oval adaptor for the Classic - Tradition. However, we haven't been able to get him access to a 3D printer during the CCP virus lockdown. Do you have a 3D printer?

 

[preston]

I don’t but I do have access to one!

 

[rivstg1]

Preston

if you want to keep the original emptor and use modern bags on it without being mr fixit and fabricating stuff....a solution is coming.....

 

[preston]

Yay! That’s exactly what I’m looking for!

 

[human]

Would the one for a Tradition be the same as one for a Heritage 1HD? I'd love to be able to adapt the original emptor from my shakeout assembly to work with paper filter bags. I've got it working now with a Heritage II style mini emptor, which isn't bad at all but the more original, the better.

Unfortunately, I don't have access to a 3D printer.

 

[rivstg1]

human,

Yes sir, the ones we have for the Classic will fit all the models through the Heritage! The ones we have before that will work all the way back to 505.

 

[preston]

That’s great news. When will this solution be available?

 

[human]

Yes, I'm definitely interested.

 

[lesinutah]

Lol

I bet alot of people are interested.
I made athread I posted showing my conversion.
4.5-4.75 circular piece of 1/8" lexan. You use 2.25 bit to cut out for the fill tube. You get 2.125 male and female PVC adaptor. You glue it together sealing the fill tube.
The cr1 to heritage 2 is similar the dimensions you get from the Kirby tradition fill tube. It's the same idea. You attach 2 inch PVC that's 1-2 inches long that fits as the male on male female 2.25 fitting.
If you seal the opening with e6000 it makes an airtight seal.
The fill tube I initially tried was sentria 2 fill tube but in cannister mode it kinks. There is a bulk piece used for dust collection that works much better it's 12-14" of hose for the fill tube. You can use e6000 or zip ties to attach the tube to the bag adapter. I used 6 inch long nylon snap seen to the top of the bag. It loops around and snaps on itself.
If you look up Utah vacuum guy or [email protected] you can see my d80 video. The 509 has my 505 bag I had made. It has the fill tube inside it.
I know how to make the bags. The tricky part is the bag spring. I figured it out on my own. I have assembled 10 or so bags made.
I had a guy with last name Woodward from Salem, Utah help me through the paperwork for patents so people like kelton could not profit off my idea. Kirby collector in July August or September has a video of the d80 bag.
Vaclabs did s video presenting the idea. I was made aware of this. I asked bill politely to not pursue it further.
I paid good money to own this idea. I didn't provide bill with a patent number.
You wonder why I didn't give it to him? I was waiting to hear back on my submission.
The owners of this idea is whoever owns eureka. The ST fill tube adapter used to use an adapter for top fill HEPA bags. They were submitted 2009-2013 there is 4 patents from that setup that was the reason my application was denied. The bag adapter Kirby etc owns that intellectual property. I can't produce or make a financial gain off this idea. I believe in 2029 is when it expires.
I made a financial investment and made bags. I can only use for my own machines.
Im not the patent holder on this idea.


https://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?36027_18

 

[rivstg1]

@preston
@human

We don't know when....this whole virus scare/dibilitation has set things back....would have already been up and running/available...its stopped the production at the end of the preproduction testing.

 

[abcvacplacentia]

You can't patent this . . .

The Kirby Tradition used exactly the setup I'm developing. This is prior art that goes back decades. I checked with Kirby's attorney and they had no problem with what I'm building. They just don't want anyone using their logo for any sort of reproduction bag or they will take action.

There is no way that Eureka owns a patent on something that has been in the public domain since the 1980's. I suggest that anyone who has a problem with this produce a patent filing. If you can't, then pipe down.

Also, what I am developing is not a hacked-together mess like I see in that link. It will look like something Kirby would have made, except with a different brand name.

Preston, the kit will include everything you need: Emtor adaptor, top adaptor, hose, zip ties and a custom bag with full-length zipper and an internal hanger. This is really important since you'll need a way for the fill tube to stay upright inside the bag. All you'll need is a tube of Amazing Goop that you can get at the hardware store.

I can't make a lot of progress while we're currently in lockdown here in California, but it is in the works. I suggest you stay tuned. Maybe we'll start with a Classic III bag in our opening run.

 

[vaclab]

Les, once again you have quite a faulty memory

"Vaclabs did s video presenting the idea. I was made aware of this. I asked bill politely to not pursue it further."

Les, you are wrong on multiple counts and I have your emails (and one other person's) to prove it.

1) "Vaclabs did s video presenting the idea."
I did not "present" the idea, I reviewed a product that was sent to me for evaluation. I am not the creator of this rig in any way shape or form.

2) "I asked bill politely to not pursue it further." <-- THAT IS A 100% LIE!
You typed: "If I submit a complaint and show my pattens (sic) and video and links to 3 videos it wouldn't be good."
Yes, you misspelled "patent" several times in your email.

3) You typed: "If I filed everything your YouTube channel would get banned and a they would promote my channel."
YouTube only cares about video and audio copyright claims. In other words, I would have had to use another channel's video/audio and that obviously was not the case.

4) You typed: "Just delete 3 videos and no future videos and to not try in the future."
Threats and intimidation is FAR from being polite, in fact it would be considered criminal in today's culture.

There's much more but why bother as I've made my point.

Bill

 

[lesinutah]

Bill

In the video at the 530 mark We're pulling. I was mentioned on the next bag. We're pulling 123 again. We're going to have charcoal HEPA bag. We're at 119 CFM. ETA 905 on the video. You have to assemble. Your seal at 10:49. I need to put a new charcoal bag.
You explained the benefits of the bag. You tried to modify the fill tube at 14:20. You actually mentioned it's a suggestion you would make.
We need to @ 17 minutes.
@17:24 it's going to be the regular way you run it.

I did pre testing. You mentioned the vertical fill tube.
We're losing a couple of CFM.
I need to put charcoal outer bag on.
Final measurements aren't you happy
We have thick charcoal outer bag.
We're down to 112.
Let's put charcoal bag in and see what we get.
You played with the bag insulation eta 24:00.
We're down to eta 24 35.
24 45 you actually used the word I.
25 31 now we're. All I did... 2541.
28:00 what we got when we used this d50 emtor we...we still had.
30 09 Ted wanted me to let you know...
30:28 we still have to go and fiddle..
3506 I'm not expecting...
3616 I checked..
37 I played with and checked it...
3941 can you let me know.
It was fun trying to figure out what works best.
That is a recap of the video.
Okay you reviewed the bag and your not the creator.
Words that show assumed possession are We We're I etc.
It seems to be more of a co venture. The part you play is advertising. You can't say what you said in the video and not assume you are part of something. I'm no English professor but when you use words we were and I those words mean you are a part of. I'm not missing anything. You are the advertising platform for his product.
I did tell you to take it down. I didn't ask I was assuming ownership of the patent. I'm glad you pointed out my typos.
You tube is a video channel with audio. If I owned the rights to this rig it would go retro active to my first unveiling. It was in the thread shown above. If I made you aware of my ownership of the rig I would assume I would have the ability to have the video pulled.
If you continued with your infomercials it would violate their policy I sent you the link to.
If you got your channel shut down they compensate by promoting the victims channel. I'm not lying or exaggerating. It's a little harsh but violation of others property is illegal.
You are trying to be polite how gracious of you.
I have slot of time and money invested in perfecting this idea. I know you take pride in the videos you make. If someone came along with no regard and you lost your channel you would be upset. It's just an analogy but I'm trying to put yourself in my shoes.
I feel and felt that Ted basically hijacked my idea. I thought the idea, property whatever you want to call it was or would be mine. He is profiting off my idea.
I was blunt and rude with you I apologise. I shouldn't of assumed it was mine. Im not attacking you or threatening you. If I had the property and you violated it this would have been the recourse I would have used.
I demanded you to take it down. I do not deny what I said.
This is nearing the end of my post to you.
If you do a test for someone maybe you should choose better words. We both can easily see my point of view. Thanks Bill.
Les

 

[lesinutah]

Ted

I will now address you.
You do not have Kirby attorneys and you haven't spoke to any Kirby attorneys. I'm very well aware of what they care about. I have not spoken to them and neither have you.
When I was going through my development stage I focused on not copying Kirby.
I changed the fill tube, the bag adaptor among other things.
I didn't get denied because of Kirby's pattens. It was the eureka sanitaire ST bag setup.
It came out 2010 it was applied for in 2009. The patens run 15-20 years.
Is there an adapter plate on or around the vacuums exhaust. Yes there is. Does this adapter connect to a fill tube yes it does. Does the adapter have a 90 degree turn you bet it does. Those are the reasons I was denied.
I actually made my adapter and didn't use a 3d printer. I'll give you that kudos. Mine is much stronger and more durable. Goo glue is the maker of e6000. Zip tie the fill tube is not as sturdy as gluing the tube on.
The sentria 2 fill tube is Kirby's fill tube and the type f adapter is Kirby's too.
I used a different fill tube and my height is perfect.
I like the reasoning behind the spring in the bag collar. It's because you couldn't duplicate what Kirby has. I have duplicated it.
I have on machine functioning versions of my setup. I did this for proof of concept.
My bag connector is something not Patten by anyone. Yours is a version that Kirby uses in there current bags.
I had this idea made prototypes and I submitted it to the United States paten office. In case someone like you tried to steal my idea.
You can produce it and sell them. Eureka or midea owns the intellectual property or pattens for a majority of this setup.
Im not going to argue with you.
If we need to actually credit the origins of the bag setup I'll do so.
Matt Jones using the green sanitronic bag over the heritage mini emtor is the first.
Paul off this board basically did the setup using metal for the adapter. If anyone can claim credit it would be him.
Onery on this board use PVC pipe to make an f&g setup for royals can also be credited.
I've made royal bottom fill and used PVC making them top fill. My Hoover 913 I used PVC and fill tube to make it top fill. I have done it on eureka too.
I haven't posted my classic through herritage 2 yet. I made those, 505 to d80. I was the first to do both.
Les

 

[vaclab]

Les, You Obviously Can't Read

And YOU even gave Ted positive feedback on the first video.

From the description section of the first video:



"First attempt at upgrading classic Kirbys to the newer HEPA filtration standard. NOTE: This item is being developed by "Ted" in California and is not my design."

YOUR positive feedback in the first video:

"utah vacuum guy 6 months ago
The mini emtor forms a better deal around the exhaust. Where bag connects.
Have you thought about putting a little bigger tube at the begining and tapering down."

You obviously have no idea what or how a product review is done. Using words like "I", "Me" or "We" doesn't mean the product is the reviewers.

For video number 2, my voice track clearly says, "Well hopefully by now most of you are familiar with Ted in California that is creating a Kirby shakeout bag..."



So I can also conclude your ears don't work either.

And don't you DARE give anyone audio/video production advice mister 19 subscribers and 7 videos. What you attempted to achieve through threats and intimidation was and is still flat wrong and now everyone who reads this thread knows it.

Bill

 

[lesinutah]

Bill

I wrote a long reply and I deleted it. I don't need videos with a large number of subscribers and views to get fulfillment. My posts are bad. I use my phone and I don't proof read. Guilty.
I have a gift of salesmanship and oral communication. My typing on this auto correct phone and not proof reading is evident.
You use words where you put the viewer in your shoes. You also without knowing it show belief in the product. This packaged together is you believe in the product but you try to remain bias. When you were talking about the CFM loss down to 104-105 wasn't acceptable. You can live with 115-120. You believe in the product and the bag your reviewing is good it helps the motor etc.
This whole thing is slot of wasted energy. I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time in this thread.
I apologise bill I was very rude. I have nothing more to say.
Les

 

[abcvacplacentia]

Lester, read this carefully . . .

(1) Don't tell me I didn't talk to Kirby's attorney. Her name is Adrienne Cvetkovic. I'm not going to post her email or phone number. I have her official reply on May 9 of last year to my idea after I sent her pics and a detailed description of what I'm building. They had no problem with it and even referred me internally to a specific Kirby engineer to evaluate it for possible use by their rebuild department. I never heard back from them, so I think it's pretty safe to assume that Kirby doesn't care about upgrading old machines to HEPA bags.

(2) No, I did not steal this idea from you or anyone else. This is such a stupidly simple and obvious idea that I'm surprised no one has done this already. In fact, if they had, I would have bought it from them and not bothered making my own! The only reason why I'm doing this is because Chicago Mike never bothered to reply to my questions about his overpriced reproduction bag with the trademark-violating Kirby logo (that's according to Kirby's attorney). If he had replied, I would have just bought one bag, stuck my own zipper in it, and only used it for myself.

(3) You say that Eureka owns a patent on a Kirby design that has been in the public domain for decades? I don't believe it. Let's see that patent number. This is my second time asking you to produce it. If you can't, then stay out of my threads here on Vacuumland.

(4) The spring I'm using is called a garter spring. Lots of companies make them. It's not a big deal and it's certainly not proprietary in any way.

(5) I suggest you stay out of my threads and pipe down on the belligerence for the simple fact that, when the kit is finished, you are going to want to buy it and I will have no reason to sell it to you. Back off on this ridiculous talk about lawsuits and shutting down people's YouTube channels. The TAM (that's Total Available Market, if you have a MBA or business degree) has to be less than (200) units total worldwide. That's a tiny market. Good luck proving damages when the legal costs will outweigh any possible revenue by at least 10 to 1. Use your head, Les.

 

[lesinutah]

Ok

You talked to a Kirby lawyer.
You made a modification to a public domain item.
I'm not saying eureka owns the patent eureka does. I worded it almost word for word. If I get around to showing you the specific ones I'm referring to.
I was going to go in with Mike making these bags. Things happened and it didn't happen.
The springs are not coil springs.
This thread was not started by you until you involved yourself.
My name's not Lester Ted.
When I provide the paten number what then. You doubt me. I mentioned who helped me file everything and send it to the correct places.
I will not bother you and I will treat you with the same respect you shown me.
Let me guess you have MBA congratulations. Tin business law if you prove the person knew of your paten TAM isn't an issue.
My degree was in construction the business side of construction.
When your kit is finished I will want to buy one... No
I have 4 that are done and have actually been used for quite a while.
I made no threats.
Now that you continue to argue but yet want me to stop.
I'll stop posting on this thread. I have not contacted bill since September. I have not replied to anything from you until this thread .
I'm done I'll agree to not post as long as you do the same.
Les