1205 Hose Removal?

[danemodsandy]

I'm baaaaaack!

The PN-1 answers yesterday were incredibly helpful- thanks very much! Now, I have another.

The PN-1 came with a 1205 that seems to run quietly, but has no suction at the hose. The hose will NOT come out of the suction port; this machine looks like it could have been stored in a basement for a while. The hose is a turquoise woven hose, and I already know it's completely shot, so I don't care about it. I think it has a clog, hence the no-suction situation.

Does anyone have any magic tricks for getting the hose out? One of the button tabs on the side of the hose end where the hose goes into the canister seems to be "funny", not pressing in and out properly. It may be that the button's spring is broken or something. This might also be corrosion.

P.S.: This turquoise woven hose has an Oyster handle. I never saw that before!

Any help would be appreciated!

 

[arh1953]

I can't get the hose out of my Golden Jubilee model either, and someone was kind enough to post instructions for me. I wasn't successful.(No fault of their instructions). Hope you'll have better results.

 

[danemodsandy]

Alan:

Linkie? Pretty please?

 

[charles~richard]

1. Curse loudly and kick machine a couple of times.

2. Get a large hammer.

3. Pound the crap out of the hose end.

4. Remove hose.

5. Take an adrelanine-infused sigh of satisfaction. (Never mind that the front cover of the machine is cracked wide open.)

 

[logan]

Is the hose possibly rusted into the machine from sitting in a damp basement? Try spraying some WD-40 on the end of the hose and let it sit overnight. In the morning, see it will come out.

 

[lux1521]

I can recall giving some advice on this subject a while back. I'll try again, but with pictures this time.

First, here is the case. A standard hose, stuck to the vacuum. I'm using my Super J with a Ultralux hose for this demo.

 

[lux1521]

Remove the 4 screws to take the cover off. The plastic cover will come off over the hose.

 

[lux1521]

Side View:

 

[lux1521]

Cover Removed:

 

[lux1521]

To move the plastic cover far enough away you may want to remove the wires going to the bag check light. Once the cover is out of the way, remove the two screws holding the metal machine end coupler to the vacuum. Don't forget that these two screws also hold the tan (or what ever color you have) plastic tunnel/tube/inner coupler/electrical connector thingy in place.

 

[lux1521]

Once removed you can do any of the following that you find nessessary:

1) Move the clips around from the other side of the internal coupler.

2) Remove rust with chemicals

3) Apply force to unstick the coupler with less chance of damaging surounding parts.

 

[arh1953]

lux1521

Thanks for re-posting that for us. I was the original one looking for an answer. I don't remember what I got stuck on.

 

[charles~richard]

"3) Apply force to unstick the coupler with less chance of damaging surounding parts."


Well now, what fun is that?!

 

[danemodsandy]

Now, Now, Charlie ;-)

"Well now, what fun is that?!"

Well, there's the fun of not breaking any more HTF, NLA parts!

It would be nice to win with a 1205 one of these days- I've only had to get rid of two that didn't work out so far.

Erick- I really appreciate the detailled info, and the incredibly clear pics! I almost feel competent.

 

[danemodsandy]

Ibedamned.

It WORKED! The end of the original woven hose had one of the tab springs malfunctioning; operating the little tab release on one side was not possible as a result.

But Erick's tips and pics righted the situation in less than five minutes- thank you SO much! While I was in there, I cleaned that entire area and the cover, as well.

The vac works very well- great suction for a 1205. In fact, it works far better than any machine so vilely abused should work! Here's what was wrong with it when I got it yesterday at a thrift for $8:

- Stinky nasty DIRTY as could be.
- Hose not removable from the canister.
- Hose completely clogged.
- PN-1 sounded like a gravel truck letting a load loose- the machine sat in the thrift unbought for two weeks because everyone who plugged it in unplugged it again very quickly after hearing that.
- Top deck grey with corrosion.
- Suction was unknown due to the inability to remove the clogged hose from the canister.
- Cordwinder lazy.

Notice that every one of these issues (except possibly the lazy cordwinder) was avoidable with any reasonable care. It never ceases to amaze me what people do with vacuums that cost a whole bunch of money new!

So far, it looks like some TLC will put this old girl back right, though I intend to ration my passion for her until she's proved herself a bit. She has been through the mill, so she may decide that it's time to go on to that Great Dust Bag in the Sky. But if she displays the will to live, I'll keep her. I will say that my Diamond Jubilee had just as many issues when I got her- though they were different issues- and that machine has proved to be a workhorse.

I must say that this group is an incredible resource. Thanks to people like Erick and Charlie, I know exactly what I have, and exactly how to fix it.

Now, about that cordwinder... I intend to clean the cord, and powder it with talcum according to Electrolux's recommendation, and to see if lubing things will restore a more vigorous function. It's already working better than it did when I got the machine; I think this one was a Basement Special, subject to some moisture. That could have corroded things just enough to cause some problems.

 

[lux1521]

Hey, no problem!

I looked over your list of issues, and I don't see anything that can't be resolved with a little effort. So, where do you want to begin?

 

[volvoguy87]

Stuck parts.

I have had some luck loosening stuck parts by using penetrating oil. WD-40 is great stuff (I think it will team up with duct tape to save the world someday). WD-40, however, isn't a great penetrating lubricant. Try using PB Blaster or something specifically formulated for the purpose of un-sticking frozen parts.

Just my 2 cents,
Dave

http://www.pbblaster.com/

 

[danemodsandy]

Erick- Poppin' Fresh Issues

She's been through a few changes in the past couple of hours, BUT-

She's clean, and she has a new top deck and cordwinder, courtesy of a small parts stash I had left from the other two 1205's I've had.

But the BUT is- she's popping her bag door release over nothing. When vacuuming with the power nozzle, no prob. Any vacuuming with the dusting brush, the "Check Bag" light comes on and the bag door pops open within 30 seconds or so. Could I have put something out of whack when I was in there to release that old hose? I also cleaned the roller dial for the dirt control while I was in there- it might be that I put something out of calibration? I didn't see any loose plastic hoses while I was in there, and the little rubber "trumpet" thingy is in good supple shape.

Aside from this issue, she's working extremely well, and looking pretty good for such a vilely abused machine. And at least I know the "Bag Check" light works!

If anyone knows what to do, I'm all ears. I don't intend to do anything more with her until tomorrow- I've tired myself out with her, and working when tired is when I make stoopit mistakes.

BTW, I think I'm going to use this machine with a PN-2 I already have. It's a later machine, and the PN-2 is more appropriate than the PN-1 that came with it. My thought is that I will use the PN-1 (after putting a new brushroll and bearings in it) with my Model L. The PN-1 seems more fitting for the "budget" machine.

 

[lux1521]

For the auto control I would check all of the plastic hoses for clogs. I'm thinking they could be cleaned with the little pipe cleaners you can get at craft stores. Whatever the problem is, I can't imagine it was anything that you did. Did you have the issue with the clogged hose. I think if the hose was clogged it would trigger the mechanism very quickly.

I can't blame you for wanting to use the PN-2. I personaly can't stand the PN-1, regardless of what machine it is paired with. I do think it would look better with the model L, but I would never use it and just display it.