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I’ve often found that people think carpet washers are a good approach to stains. For (real-world) messes and stains, a simple damp cloth rinsed in dish detergent and microsponge treatment is the cheapest method I’ve experienced that also gets the best results. I’ve completely cleaned the worst thick and dirty, greasy chain oil patches using this method. Carpet washers don’t clean as effectively on the surface and actually make a bigger mess deeper in the pile. They’re marketed as a silver bullet, and people fall for it, but they’re a bit of a scam for the most part from what I’ve measured. (Incidentally, there are good physical reasons for this covered in this lecture when discussing carpet backing and airspeed as a function of pile depth.)

I evidenced this beyond all reasonable doubt a few years ago and forgot how poignant the video was until I rewatched it in response to a recent thread. I’ve made a playlist of different methods of cleaning and examples. There’s also a playlist showing professional cleaning using microsponges.
 
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You might think that. I found that actually the exact opposite is true and it's even shown fully in the link above. It's hard to dismiss video evidence as strong as provided. And that's the whole point of this thread really—to dispel myths and show what's really true, even if it seems unbelievable at first glance. I've had feedback over the years how people have changed how they clean since.
 
I mean, you can literally go watch it happen before your very eyes in the video. There's no way anyone who watched it and had an interest in expanding their horizons could possibly suggest it's wrong information. The empirical evidence is right there for you to see for yourself. That's not me giving out wrong information; that's blatant fact denial and reality dismissal. I mean, you just can't reasonably discuss with anyone who flat out rejects reality offered on a plate. But that's fine; my expectations are always low. I guess this post isn't for you at the moment.
 
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You must be laughing your ass off. You give out wrong information to get a thrill!
i have a carpet washer extractor wet dry vacuum all in one i love it the gung dirt grime it pull out my carpet i was suprise even i vacuum twice a week and my cat loves to roll on the carpet so extraction suction and agitation will remove the stain the key is to do as many suction only pass as posible to remove all the dirty water . thats the key
 
the key is to do as many suction only pass as posible to remove all the dirty water . thats the key
I would have thought so too. It turns out that's not the key. The video above shows crystal clearly what happens even if you do dozens and dozens and dozens of extra suction only passes. And then there's all the scientific literature findings too that are really shocking. They seem like such great machines, definitely do extract dirt, but there are big side effects and consequences to their approach no one talks about that are shown in the video. Worth understanding and learning of other extremely effective methods.
 
So just to make it clear,
you claim that if I use a sponge, soap, and a rag it will clean better than a carpet washer that will extract all the dirty water with suction? How did you conduct your tests?
 
Exactly! We think alike!
Yes!!! we do you need suction airflow agitation dirt removing detergeant alll that combo to remove dirt why do you think vacuum cleaners work airflow and suction being the way the dirt is remove why they were invented in the first place much better then a broom it picks it up puts it in a container that you empty voila wine stain gone no hes full of rubish
 
Yes!!! we do you need suction airflow agitation dirt removing detergeant alll that combo to remove dirt why do you think vacuum cleaners work airflow and suction being the way the dirt is remove why they were invented in the first place much better then a broom it picks it up puts it in a container that you empty voila wine stain gone no hes full of rubish
He is! Well said!
 
Well, my thoughts are not scientific. And I do believe that dawn can do wonders removing certain stains. However, not extracting the water/solution containing the stain should mean the stain material is still there. Thus much more likely to show up again. Maybe not as strong, but still.
Instant hand sanitizer kills germs, but the dirt is still on your hands. You need to wash and rinse to get your hands actually clean.
 
I guess the flip side argument is pushing fluid through the stain could spread the stain material to other areas.
I had a felt cowboy hat that got blown off into the road by high winds. It had black from the asphalt on it. I tried using a stain cleaner to remove it without success. I then took it to a hat shop and they told me the cleaner I used made the stain go deeper into the felt and ruined the hat. If I had brought it straight to them, the could have sanded the stains off.
 
“Vacuum fallacies” Hot water extraction will always be the best way to clean carpet. As someone who worked as a professional capet cleaner and who has removed carpet I can speak definitively. In fact, hot water extraction is the method recommended by the Carpet & Rug Institute. Let’s also notice that in the videos a real vacuum isn’t used, but rather a stick vacuum for someone who speaks as they know what they’re talking about when cleaning carpet. I also never saw the carpet rolled back showing what the backing looks like comparing the methods. I can tell you I am not going to be cleaning my 2,200 sq ft of carpet with a rag or any dry form of carpet “cleaning” product. Hot water extraction is the key. Then you use air movers to dry it thoroughly.
 
You can tell a lot when people respond with name calling, unfriendly hostility, and petty smear attempts to distract from facts they'd rather bury. There’s no need for it and this isn’t a children’s playground.

Hot water extraction will always be the best way to clean carpet. As someone who worked as a professional capet cleaner and who has removed carpet I can speak definitively. In fact, hot water extraction is the method recommended by the Carpet & Rug Institute. Let’s also notice that in the videos a real vacuum isn’t used, but rather a stick vacuum for someone who speaks as they know what they’re talking about when cleaning carpet. I also never saw the carpet rolled back showing what the backing looks like comparing the methods. I can tell you I am not going to be cleaning my 2,200 sq ft of carpet with a rag or any dry form of carpet “cleaning” product. Hot water extraction is the key. Then you use air movers to dry it thoroughly.

Before I get onto the science, firstly, I’ll just say that criticising for reasons as trivial as using a stick vac makes no sense in the context of the discussion in the videos and just comes across as misguided and missing key knowledge. The best stick vacs on the market are measured to achieve the highest levels of cleaning performance and it's no longer a debate since it's easily quantifiable. Secondly, the CRI holds no credibility with me. They’re industry-owned, goal-focused, and their output is not peer-reviewed. There’s evidence of bias, unconvincing testing, and it’s not always science-based or consistent with the formal industry standards. They should be seen as lightly informative at best, not authoritative—sadly this is rarely the case, but this failure of interpretation is itself revealing.

Onto the science. I understand why businesses whose trade is in carpet cleaning choose to use hot water extraction—it's quick and fairly effective in ‘appearance cleaning’ only. But there are serious drawbacks that are scientifically well established, and I’ll talk you through these seeing as you won’t otherwise find the knowledge unsuppressed on closed social media or lay chat forums. You can fact-check all this yourselves, so I encourage you to.

There are scientific studies that have quantified the cleaning effectiveness of hot water extraction. These studies conclude that it is very effective at cleaning the surface, but considerably less effective deeper in the pile, leaving behind a lot of allergens at depth. This is unsurprising, since other scientific studies have shown wet extraction is no better than simply dry vacuuming at removing allergens, which both tend to change the distribution more than remove the reservoir at depth. And it’s clear why that is physically from an understanding of air dynamics as a function of depth in pile. Worse, other studies have shown that growth of microbiological nasties increases at depth in pile over time once wetted by such cleaning methods, leaving it dirtier than before it was cleaned. Alternative methods that do not use water have been shown in a number of studies to avoid all these problems and achieve similar surface cleaning performance and better removal of allergens deeper down. This study, for example, found that microsponges were very effective at reducing microbiological growth and mites at depth. This is consistent with research studies presented at the Sixth International Conference on Indoor Air Quality and the Environment – Helsinki, Finland, and Seventh International Conference on Indoor Air Quality and the Environment in Nagoya, Japan, showing just a single use of microsponge resulted in significant reductions in a range of microbiological nasties. Specifically, reductions in dust mites by 78%, cat allergens (dander, hair and saliva) by 85%, dust mite allergens by 75%, and mould spores by 85% to 94% even in humid environments associated with temperate climates. This method also has low resoiling rate, evidenced in the first post, since no sticky residue is left behind unlike with evaporating water-based methods using various chemistries. Overall, it achieves comparable surface cleaning to hot water extraction but better allergen removal at depth and reduced resoiling rates.

Such non-water-based methods are also used professionally as well by cleaning businesses, and these were provided above. The idea that multiple large air dryers are needed after wet extraction simply supports the very problem I’m highlighting.

Ultimately, this post wasn’t about professional cleaning of large areas in commercial settings, in which case you’d use specialist equipment—either hot water extraction with all the drawbacks well understood but little talked about, or CRBs and microsponges as evidenced by some businesses in the first post. This post was about real-world home spot messes, the flaws with water-based carpet cleaners and why they’re essentially a scam, and cheaper alternative methods which are far more effective. The evidence for all this was provided, again, in the first post, which I recommend reading.
 
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lets agree to disagree on this and be nice happy vacuuming all
Why would you disagree with scientific facts? They're literally presented right there for you to fact-check yourself. You can literally go and read all the details of the scientific testing. But you're right; it is down to the individual to decide whether to bury their head in the sand and deny facts and reality. Even with the facts, people can clean how they want of course. But people should know the truth and not have it suppressed because it doesn't conform to the desires of others.
 
listen buddy suction airflow and agitation is better than your method period stop arguing
Unfortunately, I don't believe you. It contradicts the evidence available—not least the science, which I'm fairly confident you haven't even read. You can easily change my mind: provide some reputable evidence of the quality found in the scientific literature—such as that linked to above, and explain why all those other scientists and researchers have been wrong all these years. I mean you must have some—how else could you be so confident you're right? Unless...
 
Vacuum Facts - Briguy is right, carpet extraction with hot water and soap is the only method approved by the Carpet and Rug Institute in North America. I think that fact alone PROVES your information is false! And to be quite frank, you're a bit of a joke in the collecting community and on YouTube! It's about time you realize your time has expired and you need to go away.
 
Bizarre levels of anti-science tribalism on display here along with evidence of wilful failure to read posts and information provided within. Reflects very badly—which has a nice silver lining.
Not even soap and a rag, this whole thread is a not-so-thinly veiled attempt to push Dyson Zorb
Dyzon Zorb doesn't exist anymore, making your comment very revealing. The thread is actually an attempt at showing what's true so any open minded people that come across this can make more informed decisions and not be misled by echo chambers of falsehoods. Thanks for indirectly supporting.

Vacuum Facts - Briguy is right, carpet extraction with hot water and soap is the only method approved by the Carpet and Rug Institute in North America. I think that fact alone PROVES your information is false! And to be quite frank, you're a bit of a joke in the collecting community and on YouTube! It's about time you realize your time has expired and you need to go away.
Your comments about the CRI are already addressed here and carry no sway. You should be championing actual science instead of industry-owned organisations. Actual science was provided earlier for you. So far, there has only been evidence here of anti-science fact denial and subjective tribalism. My expectations remain low based on the behaviour I've observed.
 
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