Who really invented the cyclonic vacuum cleaner?

[centralsweeper63]

Spinning air give you centrifugal force of some amount. Centrifugal force is what a cyclone is.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

I don’t really consider the Rexair to be cyclonic really, it doesn’t spin the air around to separate dirt from it, although the original design did rely on centrifugal force, it wasn’t generated by a cyclone. Filter Queens, in my eyes, are cyclonic, but a very basic form that only flings the large dirt to the outside of the bucket. I’m pretty sure various industrial vacuums (dust collection systems in factories and woodworking shops kind of thing) as well as central vacuum units were the first to use cyclonic action as we know it today.

The original patents called it a cyclone. I posted them on another thread with our friend V-F a couple of months ago. The inventor called it a cyclone then some dude on the internet comes along 100 years later and claims otherwise. Hmmm. Compact / Tristar were claiming their configuration creates a cyclonic action inside the bag chamber long before His Unholy Excremence Lord Diesoon was peddling vacuums, though the axis of rotation with the Compact / Tristar design is horizontal and perpendicular to the longitudinal axis of the vacuum. Air goes in the top and does a big loop before entering the motor leaving the dust piled up against the front face of the bag. There is more than one way to create a cyclone in a vacuum. Expand your mind.

@Vacuum Facts was right. Dyson pioneered the real cyclones in vacuum cleaners.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Well um, keep in mind, he improved it from working poorly to working just meh.

 

[cheesewonton]

Spinning air give you centrifugal force of some amount. Centrifugal force is what a cyclone is.

I am remembering my first year university physics professor telling us centrifugal force is a pseudo force. Doesn't exist. What does exist is centripedal force. An object in motion wants to stay in motion, that means in a straight line. Newton's Second Law. To get it to change direction there needs to be a force. To get something to go around in a circle you need centripedal force that is accelerating the object or objects towards the center of rotation. The force vector is towards the axis of rotation.The dirt drops out because it is heavier and the centripedal force of the air cannot overcome the inertial of the dirt, which wants to continue in a straight line.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Thanks for the correction!

 

[FilterQueenEthan]

Ed Yonkers invented the Filter Queen in 1928. He saw a napkin on the train on a business trip, and that is where he got the idea to use the cone filter. Health-Mor brought it to market in 1939. Not to say there is not better filtration in some newer machines, but for looks and reliability they can't be beat today.

 

[centralsweeper63]

They are definitly more reliable.

 

[cheesewonton]

Ed Yonkers invented the Filter Queen in 1928. He saw a napkin on the train on a business trip, and that is where he got the idea to use the cone filter. Health-Mor brought it to market in 1939. Not to say there is not better filtration in some newer machines, but for looks and reliability they can't be beat today.

I had never even seen a real live Filter Queen until this week visiting Rugsucker's shop. They are smaller than I expected.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Really! Do you have one now?

 

[cheesewonton]

Really! Do you have one now?

No. Not interested in F-Qs.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Did you try one?

 

[cheesewonton]

Did you try one?

Nope. I had a limited amount of time, limited space in the van and my collecting goals there were Kenmore, Panasonic, and the three Electroluxes I brought home. I didn't expect to bring three Tristars home too but there they were and they were models I wanted so that was an easy choice. Same deal with the Singer R3. I left with vacuums rubbing the headliner of the van! Not to mention hoses and nozzle stuffed under the folded down seats and stacked on top of stuff. One hose kept falling over the right seat into my driving space. That van was loaded !

I met Rugsucker at 8:00 am and was loaded and leaving town by 2:00pm. Made it well past Knoxville before I found a motel. I only had 8 days to accomplish this mission.

 

[FilterQueenEthan]

I had never even seen a real live Filter Queen until this week visiting Rugsucker's shop. They are smaller than I expected.

They are a real machine for sure

 

[centralsweeper63]

Worth it though.

 

[FilterQueenEthan]

Worth it though.

Every penny. Those old Queens are 30 pounds of steel and chrome

 

[centralsweeper63]

They aren't guite that heavy, I think.

 

[cheesewonton]

What turns me off about F-Qs are the lack of a bag. I don't do bagless. I don't do shake out bags. I can barely tolerate the open top bag of a Tristar. I find ways to put good HEPA dust bags in our shop vacs.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Ah, that makes sense. You might like the very rare optima (I think that is the name) with a bag!

 

[cheesewonton]

Ah, that makes sense. You might like the very rare optima (I think that is the name) with a bag!

I have looked at two on eBay but the bag spout doesn't look a whole lot different than any other F-Q. I was thinking maybe a good synthetic HEPA bag for a shop vac might fit.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Probably try asking beko1987 / Sam Watson. He bag modded his one.

 

[cheesewonton]

Probably try asking beko1987 / Sam Watson. He bag modded his one.

Beko removed the rivets and spout from a standard F-Q and replaced it with a spout from a Numatic vacuum. If I have to do that I might as well just buy a Numatic vacuum and be done with it.

 

[centralsweeper63]

True, but you wouldn't get the PN.

 

[cheesewonton]

True, but you wouldn't get the PN.

Numatic made a couple of models with P/Ns. I have seen them but never had the gumption to buy one. It is on my Someday List ( as opposed to my Holy Grail List )

 

[centralsweeper63]

Do you mean the Hound, Turbo, commercial models, etc.

 

[cheesewonton]

Do you mean the Hound, Turbo, commercial models, etc.

No. Numatic had two models with electric hoses and electric power nozzles. One was a Numatic designed power nozzle for Europe and for the US we got one with an electric hose and a Weasel Work PN. These were not air driven turbo brushes.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I didn't realise there was a a Wessel Werk one. I meant ones like this power head.