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charles~richard
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Well,
now you've posted the link to this and alerted the entire VCCC to it, the bidding will probably go up to a couple thousand bucks instead of just $700-800....... : <br
now you've posted the link to this and alerted the entire VCCC to it, the bidding will probably go up to a couple thousand bucks instead of just $700-800....... : <br
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why it is just an xxx
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But...
in practically mint condition <br
Charles has a point...it would've stayed much lower.. <br
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~~K~~
in practically mint condition <br
Charles has a point...it would've stayed much lower.. <br
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~~K~~
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Is that a bad thing?
I am confused. I know that one of the concerns I have, when helping someone responsible for a decedent's estate sale, is that we will not expose the items to the right buyers. Bad day. Bad location. Too many of certain collectibles for the local market, etc. If people interested in the items don't see them, I feel we have sold for less than their fair market value - certainly less than their potential value. So, if people interested in an item are willing to pay more than $9.99 - why is that a bad thing? Don't club members want their collections to represent items of value?
I think it is a good thing for members like John to bring such items to the attention of the club because of two factors:
1) It allows an interested collector to have a chance to pick up something he or she is interested in instead of letting it go for $9.99 to just anyone
2) It is a better test of the market to determine what stuff is worth
Now, I am not saying EBay is the best source of data to determine market value but it is a heck of a lot better source than some study of thrift shop prices or auctions off the back of a hay wagon in Podunk, USA.
I am confused. I know that one of the concerns I have, when helping someone responsible for a decedent's estate sale, is that we will not expose the items to the right buyers. Bad day. Bad location. Too many of certain collectibles for the local market, etc. If people interested in the items don't see them, I feel we have sold for less than their fair market value - certainly less than their potential value. So, if people interested in an item are willing to pay more than $9.99 - why is that a bad thing? Don't club members want their collections to represent items of value?
I think it is a good thing for members like John to bring such items to the attention of the club because of two factors:
1) It allows an interested collector to have a chance to pick up something he or she is interested in instead of letting it go for $9.99 to just anyone
2) It is a better test of the market to determine what stuff is worth
Now, I am not saying EBay is the best source of data to determine market value but it is a heck of a lot better source than some study of thrift shop prices or auctions off the back of a hay wagon in Podunk, USA.
model xxx is
not a hard to find vacuum but it is rare to find it with a good hose and not a bojack and the box it came in that is unherd of and thare is a big demand for a model xxx but not many mint ones out thare so pepole are willing to pay for it when it is rare and mint
not a hard to find vacuum but it is rare to find it with a good hose and not a bojack and the box it came in that is unherd of and thare is a big demand for a model xxx but not many mint ones out thare so pepole are willing to pay for it when it is rare and mint
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Well then,
if the general consensus is that we would all be helped -- collectors and sellers alike -- by being notified when desirable machines come up on eBay, then perhaps this is a service that this web site should offer in a more comprehensive, regular and ongoing manner. <br
As it is, when only an occasional machine is posted at random, then undue attention is focused on that one machine and people will tend to want to bid on it simply because someone has publicized it. Never mind that there are probably dozens of other machines listed at the same time, of various brands, that are equally as nice and desirable, that slip under the radar except to those who take the time and effort to diligently search eBay for just such finds <br
Again, unless this is to become a regular feature whereby ALL vintage or rare vacuum cleaner listings are published, in order to "level the playing field," then I personally don't think they should be posted at all <br
I know I am in the minority on this issue, but I am wholly opposed to the idea of people posting eBay links except for auctions that have ended. No, I am not trying to speak for the club officials or change the rules on this, I am merely expressing my opinion about it <br <br
if the general consensus is that we would all be helped -- collectors and sellers alike -- by being notified when desirable machines come up on eBay, then perhaps this is a service that this web site should offer in a more comprehensive, regular and ongoing manner. <br
As it is, when only an occasional machine is posted at random, then undue attention is focused on that one machine and people will tend to want to bid on it simply because someone has publicized it. Never mind that there are probably dozens of other machines listed at the same time, of various brands, that are equally as nice and desirable, that slip under the radar except to those who take the time and effort to diligently search eBay for just such finds <br
Again, unless this is to become a regular feature whereby ALL vintage or rare vacuum cleaner listings are published, in order to "level the playing field," then I personally don't think they should be posted at all <br
I know I am in the minority on this issue, but I am wholly opposed to the idea of people posting eBay links except for auctions that have ended. No, I am not trying to speak for the club officials or change the rules on this, I am merely expressing my opinion about it <br <br
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Consensus?
Actually, I made a comment/question and John proffered a response. Hardly a consensus - I just thought - when you kind of discouraged John, that some 'back and forth' discussion may be appropriate. John noted something interesting on Ebay and passed it along. If such innocent comment causes some kind of misguided gold rush - who cares. What, again, is the rationalization for waiting for auctions to close? Is it a paternalistic attempt to protect unwary buyers from paying too much? Or is it an attempt to keep the price down so wary buyers and new collectors have a chance at a better price?
Why not just say, "Hey, guys, sometimes stuff on ebay goes too high - and sometimes not - so don't go crazy. This message was a public service from a fellow member. And signal your turns."
Actually, I made a comment/question and John proffered a response. Hardly a consensus - I just thought - when you kind of discouraged John, that some 'back and forth' discussion may be appropriate. John noted something interesting on Ebay and passed it along. If such innocent comment causes some kind of misguided gold rush - who cares. What, again, is the rationalization for waiting for auctions to close? Is it a paternalistic attempt to protect unwary buyers from paying too much? Or is it an attempt to keep the price down so wary buyers and new collectors have a chance at a better price?
Why not just say, "Hey, guys, sometimes stuff on ebay goes too high - and sometimes not - so don't go crazy. This message was a public service from a fellow member. And signal your turns."
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Consensus
I used that word because this topic has been discussed before at some length, both in this forum as well as the old VCCC forum <br
And the consensus has been, "Get over it. Most of us don't mind eBay links being posted." <br
Not trying to step on anyone's toes here, just wanted to offer my point of view on the subject. And that is that I just don't think it's good to post links to auctions, especially when the links that are posted are "picked and chosen." And, I might add, with a conspiratorial note, people don't generally seem inclined to post links to auctions they are interested in....... <br
I tend not to bring this up because I do realize mine is not the popular opinion and, as we see here, expressing that opinion tends to create ill-will <br
So I'll just shaddup about it already
I used that word because this topic has been discussed before at some length, both in this forum as well as the old VCCC forum <br
And the consensus has been, "Get over it. Most of us don't mind eBay links being posted." <br
Not trying to step on anyone's toes here, just wanted to offer my point of view on the subject. And that is that I just don't think it's good to post links to auctions, especially when the links that are posted are "picked and chosen." And, I might add, with a conspiratorial note, people don't generally seem inclined to post links to auctions they are interested in....... <br
I tend not to bring this up because I do realize mine is not the popular opinion and, as we see here, expressing that opinion tends to create ill-will <br
So I'll just shaddup about it already
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Where there's a.....
My will is not ill - my curiosity was stimulated and I do like to spar. I am always interested on your "take" on stuff - have learned a lot. Please don't 'shaddup.
Take care.
My will is not ill - my curiosity was stimulated and I do like to spar. I am always interested on your "take" on stuff - have learned a lot. Please don't 'shaddup.
Take care.
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Something else to keep in mind...
I remember that some years ago, a very similar XXX came up on eBay. In fact it was virtually identical to this one --- same version, same condition, all original, original box etc etc. etc <br
The seller in that auction stated in the listing that their parents had bought two machines and this was the second one; and that it had scarcely ever been used. If I recall correctly, it was stored in a lake-front summer cottage <br
Even back then -- at least 6-7 years ago -- before so many collectors were scouring eBay for treasures -- the machine closed at something like $350.00. Pretty much everyone who was watching it was absolutely flabbergasted. This was long before such high bids had become a routine thing <br
I don't recall who the high bidder was, but I do recall hearing that when he got the machine he was very, very dismayed to find that the hose, which, again, as this one, looked so beautiful in the photos, was a solid, unbendable mass --- permanently fused in a coiled position. The rubber lining had literally become petrified into rock-hard rigidity, so badly so that he coudn't even bend it <br
A couple of other near-mint XXXs have come and gone on eBay as well. Another one I recall watching that got big way up got to the buyer, as I heard, full of white caked-on dirt. The seller admitted after the fact that it had been used in a bakery. The entire inner surface of the machine, including the inner walls of the hose, the bag cage, the motor and the rear filter, was all coated with a starchy layer of flour-heavy dirt. Another little detail the seller "forgot" to mention <br
So for those who may be interested in the XXX auction at hand, it might be wise to ask a few questions of the seller about such matters as the hose -- and persist in getting detailed, unambiguous responses -- to ensure that there won't be more tears shed over big money spent on a machine purchased sight-unseen that turns out to be a very expensive lemon <br
Fear not of competition on this from me -- since I already have a couple of XXXs as nice as this one, I won't be in the running for it <br <br
I remember that some years ago, a very similar XXX came up on eBay. In fact it was virtually identical to this one --- same version, same condition, all original, original box etc etc. etc <br
The seller in that auction stated in the listing that their parents had bought two machines and this was the second one; and that it had scarcely ever been used. If I recall correctly, it was stored in a lake-front summer cottage <br
Even back then -- at least 6-7 years ago -- before so many collectors were scouring eBay for treasures -- the machine closed at something like $350.00. Pretty much everyone who was watching it was absolutely flabbergasted. This was long before such high bids had become a routine thing <br
I don't recall who the high bidder was, but I do recall hearing that when he got the machine he was very, very dismayed to find that the hose, which, again, as this one, looked so beautiful in the photos, was a solid, unbendable mass --- permanently fused in a coiled position. The rubber lining had literally become petrified into rock-hard rigidity, so badly so that he coudn't even bend it <br
A couple of other near-mint XXXs have come and gone on eBay as well. Another one I recall watching that got big way up got to the buyer, as I heard, full of white caked-on dirt. The seller admitted after the fact that it had been used in a bakery. The entire inner surface of the machine, including the inner walls of the hose, the bag cage, the motor and the rear filter, was all coated with a starchy layer of flour-heavy dirt. Another little detail the seller "forgot" to mention <br
So for those who may be interested in the XXX auction at hand, it might be wise to ask a few questions of the seller about such matters as the hose -- and persist in getting detailed, unambiguous responses -- to ensure that there won't be more tears shed over big money spent on a machine purchased sight-unseen that turns out to be a very expensive lemon <br
Fear not of competition on this from me -- since I already have a couple of XXXs as nice as this one, I won't be in the running for it <br <br
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My point exactly...
"I wont be biding on this one but as I said it will be fun to watch." <br
...... <br
Now be honest: If you had plans to bid on this, would you have posted the link to the listing?
"I wont be biding on this one but as I said it will be fun to watch." <br
...... <br
Now be honest: If you had plans to bid on this, would you have posted the link to the listing?
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My Thoughts...
I understand where Charlie's coming from, and I respect his position. I'm not sure that posting an eBay link here does any harm, myself <br
Here's my reasoning: First, people who collect have gotten pretty adept at searching eBay; it's not like any listing can be kept a secret. Also, people have learnt that bidding early tends to run up the price, so there are slews of items that have been sitting there unbid for four or five days. An unbid condition means nothing any more, so far as I can see. I find it more and more common for ALL the bidding action on items to take place in the final hour or two of the auction. Just because you see something fantastic sitting there unbid doesn't mean that others aren't watching it- they usually are, trust me <br
Second, other collector sites share info on eBay auctions, and it seems not to be detrimental. On automaticwasher.org, they're linked to all the time. On WACEM (We Actually Collect Electric Mixers; a Yahoo! group for electric mixer collectors), the same thing is done. <br
I DO understand that there is a divergence of opinion here on this subject, and so I do not link to eBay auctions on this site, but I don't think it would really be that harmful. By now, everyone knows how to use eBay effectively; an auction's gonna do what an auction's gonna do. If something that's extremely rare and desirable turns up, and a bidding war ensues, the person willing to bid the highest gets the item, and isn't that what eBay's all about <br
At the risk of sounding like Linda Richman- a risk I'm always willing to assume- discuss.
I understand where Charlie's coming from, and I respect his position. I'm not sure that posting an eBay link here does any harm, myself <br
Here's my reasoning: First, people who collect have gotten pretty adept at searching eBay; it's not like any listing can be kept a secret. Also, people have learnt that bidding early tends to run up the price, so there are slews of items that have been sitting there unbid for four or five days. An unbid condition means nothing any more, so far as I can see. I find it more and more common for ALL the bidding action on items to take place in the final hour or two of the auction. Just because you see something fantastic sitting there unbid doesn't mean that others aren't watching it- they usually are, trust me <br
Second, other collector sites share info on eBay auctions, and it seems not to be detrimental. On automaticwasher.org, they're linked to all the time. On WACEM (We Actually Collect Electric Mixers; a Yahoo! group for electric mixer collectors), the same thing is done. <br
I DO understand that there is a divergence of opinion here on this subject, and so I do not link to eBay auctions on this site, but I don't think it would really be that harmful. By now, everyone knows how to use eBay effectively; an auction's gonna do what an auction's gonna do. If something that's extremely rare and desirable turns up, and a bidding war ensues, the person willing to bid the highest gets the item, and isn't that what eBay's all about <br
At the risk of sounding like Linda Richman- a risk I'm always willing to assume- discuss.
yes if it was a good deal
but this wont go for under 50 bucks so Im going to love to see the bone head that puts in the wining bid of $1000 if I had the money I whould bid but I dont and I have 3 model xxxs in my house I dont need more it wont happen so I will watch and have fun doing it I posted this for fun and no more but if pepole get upset over me posting this I wont do it anymore I did not think there was any thing wrong with it and I still do not see anything wrong with it if I was gonig to bid I whould not have said any thing on this form untill it was over and I whould have never put the item number on the site that whould be dumb
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I have no Idea how to post a link that is why I never have If I knew how Id do It is probly not that hard but I have no Idea how to do it so now you know
but this wont go for under 50 bucks so Im going to love to see the bone head that puts in the wining bid of $1000 if I had the money I whould bid but I dont and I have 3 model xxxs in my house I dont need more it wont happen so I will watch and have fun doing it I posted this for fun and no more but if pepole get upset over me posting this I wont do it anymore I did not think there was any thing wrong with it and I still do not see anything wrong with it if I was gonig to bid I whould not have said any thing on this form untill it was over and I whould have never put the item number on the site that whould be dumb
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I have no Idea how to post a link that is why I never have If I knew how Id do It is probly not that hard but I have no Idea how to do it so now you know
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Please don't misunderstand...
I am not "upset" because you posted the "heads-up" to the auction. I was just trying to make a point about people selectively passing along such information and how doing so can unfairly benefit some auctions above others <br
I really didn't mean to get into this discussion and now I really just ought to stop trying to explain myself! No offense to anyone, I am just saying, it's not THAT big a deal to me so I don't want to MAKE it a big deal
I am not "upset" because you posted the "heads-up" to the auction. I was just trying to make a point about people selectively passing along such information and how doing so can unfairly benefit some auctions above others <br
I really didn't mean to get into this discussion and now I really just ought to stop trying to explain myself! No offense to anyone, I am just saying, it's not THAT big a deal to me so I don't want to MAKE it a big deal
For what it's worth...
While I respect and appreciate everyone's point of view, I agree with Sandy (aka danemodsandy) and thought it might be helpful to share my perspective as a new member in the VCCC and novice at eBay. <br
Personally, I appreciate it when eBay links are posted here. And, I appreciate the feedback and comments members leave about an item. I find it incredibly helpful. I've already learned a lot about the different manufacturers and models of vacuums that I didn't know just a few weeks ago. That's one of the reasons I joined this group. I want the camaraderie of people who share my interest in vacuums. And, I'm also looking forward to benefiting from the wealth of knowledge this group has to offer. (I recognize it should be a two-way street and want to do my part to make this a mutually beneficial relationship.) In my mind, one of the "perks" of a group like this is to leverage its expertise and size--we all have a better chance of getting those special, hard to find items if we increase the number of eyes and ears out there looking for us. <br
For what it's worth, my suggestion is that if a member really wants an item on eBay, let everyone know about it. I don't want to bid against a fellow member if it's something he or she wants. <br
Also, many of you have been purchasing items off eBay for a long time and have become very savvy buyers (and sellers). I appreciate the insights and wisdom that's been shared here. I've already learned a lot and picked up some great tips by reading your posts. And, I hope to learn a whole lot more. <br
Mike
While I respect and appreciate everyone's point of view, I agree with Sandy (aka danemodsandy) and thought it might be helpful to share my perspective as a new member in the VCCC and novice at eBay. <br
Personally, I appreciate it when eBay links are posted here. And, I appreciate the feedback and comments members leave about an item. I find it incredibly helpful. I've already learned a lot about the different manufacturers and models of vacuums that I didn't know just a few weeks ago. That's one of the reasons I joined this group. I want the camaraderie of people who share my interest in vacuums. And, I'm also looking forward to benefiting from the wealth of knowledge this group has to offer. (I recognize it should be a two-way street and want to do my part to make this a mutually beneficial relationship.) In my mind, one of the "perks" of a group like this is to leverage its expertise and size--we all have a better chance of getting those special, hard to find items if we increase the number of eyes and ears out there looking for us. <br
For what it's worth, my suggestion is that if a member really wants an item on eBay, let everyone know about it. I don't want to bid against a fellow member if it's something he or she wants. <br
Also, many of you have been purchasing items off eBay for a long time and have become very savvy buyers (and sellers). I appreciate the insights and wisdom that's been shared here. I've already learned a lot and picked up some great tips by reading your posts. And, I hope to learn a whole lot more. <br
Mike
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Possible Advantages...
Here are the reasons I might post a link to a collector site <br
One, I've already got one, and I know others are looking for it <br
Two, I don't have one, but I already know the item is worth more than I can afford, so why not give other interested parties a crack at it <br
Three, I know the item "belongs" with someone who is completely aware of its collectibility, as opposed to someone who just wants an item to use. An example of this would be a minty Elux 1205 with all-original hose, attachments, manual, and box. Such a unit could easily be purchased by someone who just wants it for getting up dog hair or some damn thing (even if such a unit bids up to $300 or so, that's still WAYYYYY less than a new Aerus), and its collector value could be trashed in very short order. Better for such things to "stay in the family", so to speak. Most people can figure out that a 1935 vac is really more for collectors, but not the 1960s, '70s, and '80s units that are becoming sought-after. <br
Anyhoo, those would be my reasons for wanting to alert others...
Here are the reasons I might post a link to a collector site <br
One, I've already got one, and I know others are looking for it <br
Two, I don't have one, but I already know the item is worth more than I can afford, so why not give other interested parties a crack at it <br
Three, I know the item "belongs" with someone who is completely aware of its collectibility, as opposed to someone who just wants an item to use. An example of this would be a minty Elux 1205 with all-original hose, attachments, manual, and box. Such a unit could easily be purchased by someone who just wants it for getting up dog hair or some damn thing (even if such a unit bids up to $300 or so, that's still WAYYYYY less than a new Aerus), and its collector value could be trashed in very short order. Better for such things to "stay in the family", so to speak. Most people can figure out that a 1935 vac is really more for collectors, but not the 1960s, '70s, and '80s units that are becoming sought-after. <br
Anyhoo, those would be my reasons for wanting to alert others...
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WELCOME (Again?
You are exactly the type of member we want to encourage to be part of our club! We can all learn from each other including philosophies on both sides!!! (To 'share' or not 'to share!' <br
Rick
WELCOME (Again?
You are exactly the type of member we want to encourage to be part of our club! We can all learn from each other including philosophies on both sides!!! (To 'share' or not 'to share!' <br
Rick
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