Sebo BS46 Comfort - Schools new hoover!

[sebo_fan]

Well it goes without saying since the TP1 does have manual height adjustment; thus the reason to why I find it harder to push over carpet if the floor head is set at its lowest. I find the SEBO is easier to use because it glides and floats. However, I much prefer the quieter, easier performance aspect all round.

I am trying to wonder how you are jumping to the conclusion that just because the Hoover is a dirty fan upright it is better than the SEBO? If it was the case, wouldn't have Hoover made a commercial upright out of it, let alone continue with the design with models thereafter?

 

[alexhoovers94]

Now you see, I hate "gliders" I like to feel it doing something but I still want to be able to push it, although the Turbopower 1 can be hard to push, it is not to difficult and I know it is doing a great job.
The Turbopower 2 however doesn't exactly "stick" but it digs into the carpet and has that weight behind it and it feels like it is doing a good job, which it is.
I know the SEBO is decent but I can't stand the skimming/hovering over the carpet, it is like vacuuming with a manual height adjustment vacuum set one setting to high for the particular carpet.
When I have gone from hard floors to carpets with the SEBO it really digs in and I am like ooooo, great, and then....it raises it's self back up to skimming and I am like EYEROLL!!!

 

[sebo_fan]

Yeah but its still cleaning the carpet. The danger of too much brush roll digging into a carpet isn't good to the drive belt, the brush roll or the carpet. I wore out my parents living room carpet running up and down all day with the Dyson uprights we had. If ever there was an upright to destroy a carpet, go over it with a Dyson - the suction "all the time" takes off more than deep down dirt, worse if you continually have an upright in the lowest height possible.

For years I was that conventional upright fan just like you. But then when the carpet physically starts to get bare around you, its time to stop or move onto a new model that isn't as abrasive.

Same with my Vax VCU02 - its a dirty fan upright but I can't go cleaning my woollen carpets all the time with it because it is too harsh - just like an Oreck XL, its saving grace is that it is light to push, but not as light as the SEBO X series and doesn't have a hose/tools on board.

 

[blackheart]

Carpet sealing causing damage?

I think it more has to do with the brushes itself really i noticed you said a dyson caused damage to the carpet some models of dysons have very stiff brushes to the point where they are sharp to the touch the best example i can think of is the DC-17 it has very short and sharp brushes which if you were to put your hand to the brushroll while it's running it's quite painful.

 

[tolivac]

Some Dyson brushrolls-would be good if you needed a floor grinder!Vacs "Sticking" to the carpet-may be good to demonstrate the rules of physics-but USELESS for cleaning-you get NO airflow in the "stick" condition.No matter what the vacuum it must be able to MOVE the AIR to MOVE the dirt from whatever you are vacuuming.The "sticking" demonstrates the power of atmosperic pressure.If we weren't sorrounded by "air" our vacuums no matter what type or brand would be USELESS.

 

[alexhoovers94]

I just like the feeling of a vacuum clinging to the carpet and not just gliding over the surface with no feeling of suction at all.
Am I getting the impression that dirty fan is not the way to go? If so, I disagree, I like the clean fans for everyday simplicity, but for serious cleaning, GET A GOOD OLD DIRTY FAN

 

[tolivac]

I like the solid vibration of the floor and carpet when I use my Kirbys,metal Royals,or Sanitaires, Hoover Convertables-you hear,feel,and can see the dirt being picked up-and the tings and clacks thru the fans act as audible feedback the vac is doing the job.Of the vacs I use--feel the Sebos do the best job of the clean air machines out there.The dirty air machines are my favorites,too.

 

[alexhoovers94]

I know the SEBO is good, it is just I wish I could feel how good it is.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well to be fair, the SEBO does things that no other upright on the UK market does any more. I mean when the bag clogs, the system switches off to protect the motor and over heating. I think that was a saving grace on a lot of high end Hoover cylinder vacs in the 1980s. Same with the brush roll that comes out at a touch of a button. Granted it has a life time belt but again you're forgetting that whilst the SEBO has been made for sale in the domestic market, these are aspects that are more generic to the commercial field because SEBO were the company to put them in place, as well as probably followed by others.

The only aspect nowadays that most other brands are now beginning to develop is lifetime belts and brush roll reset action now offered for example on the Vax Mach Air series and plenty of others. Also other brands are now starting to offer easier ways to clean the brush roll than removing screws on the sole plate (cue Vax Mach Air again with its clips)

It is like Numatic's Henry - the tub vacuums don't have on board tool storage "proper" like a sledge style domestic model where tools can be hidden away like the Miele S5, S8 etc - and they don't have the best handle before the suction tubes - but its generic industrial/commercial design lends itself to cleaning the best way it can, regardless of those features.

End of the day SEBO aren't making vacuums for the fun of it and their commercial market expertise is reflected in the way the X1 was designed. I suppose in years to come you could buy the rare G2 model that has a manual height adjustment - only then I suppose, will you see the best of what that SEBO design has to offer - or try the BS36 which also has manual height adjustment.