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Sanitaire Won (My Option)
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Sanitaire Sc886 Vs. Kirby Sentra
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joshdonnell
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Yes it did but ive used then and i kirbys better.
Yes it did but ive used then and i kirbys better.
The scene is so dimly lit--you can't see much of anything---camera users--when filming for youtube or whatever---LIGHT-cameras need LIGHT to work.I can't tell in this video which machine won.I go with the Kirby-the Sanitaire with an ST -NOT F&G bag performs about as well as the Kirby.In reality its almost ---"A DRAW!" as they say in wrestling.The person filming this should redo the video and have some LIGHTS for the camera!
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I love how people always claim "It's a draw" when a Kirby is tested against a Sanitaire, heck, I've done my own tests off camera (cos apparently I'm "biost" according to one youtuber, so why bother making videos!!) and there were never any "draws" with the different setups I've used (ST, F&G, Shake-out bags for the 'taires, and Poly, Paper and shake-out for the Kirbys), the Sanitaires always cleaned deeper, better and quicker, I used to be a firm Kirby fan until I got a Sanitaire, and now I know better... 
You just have to look in the archives, and even with 100% proof the 'taires win, a Kirby "draws" when it has less dirt in it's bag and the sanitaire has more dirt in it's... :\
I still like my Kirbys though, even though I'm planning to sell a two or three off, I just don't see them in the same blinkered light any more...
You just have to look in the archives, and even with 100% proof the 'taires win, a Kirby "draws" when it has less dirt in it's bag and the sanitaire has more dirt in it's... :\
I still like my Kirbys though, even though I'm planning to sell a two or three off, I just don't see them in the same blinkered light any more...
I'll still take the Kirby over the Sanitaire-Remember Sanitaires are designed for commercial-not home usage.Most commercial carpets in the US are low pile.the Kirby does better in the deep pile carpets homes often have-like mine-and Sanitaires cannot be height adjusted properly to work in deeper carpets-the brushroll bogs down too much.I do have Sanitaires in my collection-they are good machines but just find for my place a Kirby or a Royal upright for that matter is better.I have my Sanitaires at their HIGHEST floor nozzle height and the brushes bog down.But they will clean-just not as good as the Kirby in my place.
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So, tell me, if you used a domestic Eureka upright of the exact same design and the same brushroll, and it beat a Kirby at cleaning, would you say the Eureka had won, or just make up some excuse to back up the Kirby even with proof put right infront of you that the Eureka did better?
Cos frankly, your logic is pretty flaky, the Sanitaire was derived from a Domestic vacuum cleaner, and it cleans better in many situations, after all, there are more houses and carpet types than just "yours", and regardless if something didn't work for "you", if it works for others, and DOES outclean a Kirby, you cannot deny it, and just makes you look like a complete fool when you do try...
Remember a few of years ago and the 2-week challenge between a G3 and an S670? The Kirby had a metal fan fitted which improved it's performance, but the stock Sanitaire with F&G bags outcleaned it on both weeks, and you claimed it as "a draw", even when the G3 had picked up LESS from the same carpeting in the same house, and even with photo evidence, you still claimed it as a draw, and you made yourself out to be a fool back then, and you're doing the same now, so face it, a Kirby will not perform at the same higher level of a Sanitaire, and the more you claim otherwise, well, I've already said what it makes you look like...
And just to remind you, here's the said 2-week test, pay attention to the responses to your posts:
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?6053
Cos frankly, your logic is pretty flaky, the Sanitaire was derived from a Domestic vacuum cleaner, and it cleans better in many situations, after all, there are more houses and carpet types than just "yours", and regardless if something didn't work for "you", if it works for others, and DOES outclean a Kirby, you cannot deny it, and just makes you look like a complete fool when you do try...
Remember a few of years ago and the 2-week challenge between a G3 and an S670? The Kirby had a metal fan fitted which improved it's performance, but the stock Sanitaire with F&G bags outcleaned it on both weeks, and you claimed it as "a draw", even when the G3 had picked up LESS from the same carpeting in the same house, and even with photo evidence, you still claimed it as a draw, and you made yourself out to be a fool back then, and you're doing the same now, so face it, a Kirby will not perform at the same higher level of a Sanitaire, and the more you claim otherwise, well, I've already said what it makes you look like...
And just to remind you, here's the said 2-week test, pay attention to the responses to your posts:
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?6053
I don't have a "Domestic" Eureka to use.And the present Sanitaires are marketed to commercial usages.They are not sold for home usage.Again,I will pit the Kirbys to them anytime.I am just saying the Kirbys work better on my carpeting--your results may vary.We(Other vac dealers in my area) have noticed this.And in those torn open bags--I see more fluff in the Sanitaire bag-but NO grit-like the Kirbys pick up-and fine debris.The Saniatires don't pick that up-Remember in some cases vacuums may perform better or not-just so happens in tht test the Sanitaire worked best for that user-but not for me.No ones "logic" is really flawed-just what vacuum works best for you.The Kirbys and Royals work best on my carpets.And the Sanitaire I have was a RETURN-a customer ordered it thru the local dealer.The user tried it-didn't work for him.I bought it to add to my collection.It is a nice machine-the Kirby is better for me.I don't know what vacuum the former Saniatire owner had-he had shag carpet.He tried the Sanitiare-its a TOL "Contractor" model with the ST bag system.The dealer in my area does not stock Sanitaire uprights-he will order them if a customer wants one.
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I'm not arguing about what is best, I'm getting the point across that with every single test where a Kirby is involved, you always claim it to be a "draw" when the given proof dictates otherwise, and when someone points out that you are wrong to say that, you blither on about you you you, in THIS test here in THIS thread, the Kirby lost, that's L-O-S-T, there was NO draw...
But yet again, like in that older thread, you're coming up with very weak excuses to say that the Sanitaire did not clean as well as the Kirby because "Kirbys work better in my place", when the fact of the matter was that the modified G3 with a more powerful factory-fitted motor, it failed to clean as well as a *stock* F&G Sanitaire, the same in this test here in this thread, Sanitaire vs. Kirby, Kirby loses to Sanitaire, someone can't get over the fact that their favourite brand has not performed as per their experiences in their own environment...
And of course, the dealer thing crops up, "We the people selling things say brand A is the best and brand X is no good", having worked in a retail environment myself, I know that there are incentives to sell more of a specific brand of item, either from the employer or the suppliers, casting aspersions onto other brands to get the customer to buy the one you're selling, so, think of it this way, you live in the retail world, and everyone else lives in the real world, if you want to sell more Kirbys, or other brands, in your store where you have incentives to do so, you go right ahead, but when people post videos or pictures of demonstrations on here, youtube or wherever, and they find that your favourite "sell more of these" brand loses, don't say "It's a draw" when it is not or "That vacuum won cos it works better on my carpeting" when it's not even being shown tested ON your carpeting, if you can't accept that others have found that their vacuums did not work in your favour, then that's your problem...
Just so you know, once upon a time, I used to be a hardened Kirby nut, nothing could ever beat it in my eyes, then I saw the light when I bought my first Sanitaire, the ZC-880, and since learned that there's more to vacuuming than just Kirbys, and is why I spent the best part of a day riding trains and walking 8 miles to collect my third Sanitaire, the Electrolux C12...
Hmm, now there's a thought, You're not an Aerus dealer are you? Thus having resentment to Electrolux AG which owns the Sanitaire and Eureka brands and took the Electrolux name away from the US company? That would explain a lot if it is so...
But yet again, like in that older thread, you're coming up with very weak excuses to say that the Sanitaire did not clean as well as the Kirby because "Kirbys work better in my place", when the fact of the matter was that the modified G3 with a more powerful factory-fitted motor, it failed to clean as well as a *stock* F&G Sanitaire, the same in this test here in this thread, Sanitaire vs. Kirby, Kirby loses to Sanitaire, someone can't get over the fact that their favourite brand has not performed as per their experiences in their own environment...
And of course, the dealer thing crops up, "We the people selling things say brand A is the best and brand X is no good", having worked in a retail environment myself, I know that there are incentives to sell more of a specific brand of item, either from the employer or the suppliers, casting aspersions onto other brands to get the customer to buy the one you're selling, so, think of it this way, you live in the retail world, and everyone else lives in the real world, if you want to sell more Kirbys, or other brands, in your store where you have incentives to do so, you go right ahead, but when people post videos or pictures of demonstrations on here, youtube or wherever, and they find that your favourite "sell more of these" brand loses, don't say "It's a draw" when it is not or "That vacuum won cos it works better on my carpeting" when it's not even being shown tested ON your carpeting, if you can't accept that others have found that their vacuums did not work in your favour, then that's your problem...
Just so you know, once upon a time, I used to be a hardened Kirby nut, nothing could ever beat it in my eyes, then I saw the light when I bought my first Sanitaire, the ZC-880, and since learned that there's more to vacuuming than just Kirbys, and is why I spent the best part of a day riding trains and walking 8 miles to collect my third Sanitaire, the Electrolux C12...
Hmm, now there's a thought, You're not an Aerus dealer are you? Thus having resentment to Electrolux AG which owns the Sanitaire and Eureka brands and took the Electrolux name away from the US company? That would explain a lot if it is so...
kirbymodel2c
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I could through my 2 cents worth in... But I don't think I need to lol;o)
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I could through my 2 cents worth in... But I don't think I need to lol;o)
James
)i am NOT a dealer for any vacuum.Are you a Sanitaire dealer by any chance?Again will repeat-the Kirby works best for me-I am going to leave it there.Will drag out my Contractor model and try some more-and another thing for the Sanitaires on my carpets-their belts don't last long.another reason I stick with Kirbys and Royals.
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I Really Don't Have To Replace The Belt On It Alot. Unless If It Pick Something Up Such As A Staple Or Paperclip It WILL Shreds The Belt But I Always Have A Back Up!
NEVER REALLY HAVE PROBLEM WITH IT!
NEVER REALLY HAVE PROBLEM WITH IT!
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"Are you a Sanitaire dealer by any chance?"
Let's see now, Electrolux have not sold any Sanitaire models in the UK for s few years now, so, that would mean, goodness me, there's no Sanitaire dealers in the UK at all!!! :O
(Sarcasm, incase it goes right over your head)
I guess living in ignorance must be bliss, cos the way you describe your "issues" with Sanitaires, you're not adjusting the height of the vac properly, too high and it doesn't clean effectively, too low and it burns out the belts, my C12, which has the 6-position height adjuster, can even be set with ease, it's like how you do it on a Kirby, lower it to the carpet until the tone changes, then drop one more and off you go, get it wrong and it doesn't work...
But what is really pissing me off is your insisting that because something doesn't work for you, therefore it must never ever work for anyone else and god forbid anyone ever correct you, as I am doing, and when they do, you still claim you're right when you're just making yourself out to look like a complete idiot!!
But, like I say, living in ignorance must be bliss...
Let's see now, Electrolux have not sold any Sanitaire models in the UK for s few years now, so, that would mean, goodness me, there's no Sanitaire dealers in the UK at all!!! :O
(Sarcasm, incase it goes right over your head)
I guess living in ignorance must be bliss, cos the way you describe your "issues" with Sanitaires, you're not adjusting the height of the vac properly, too high and it doesn't clean effectively, too low and it burns out the belts, my C12, which has the 6-position height adjuster, can even be set with ease, it's like how you do it on a Kirby, lower it to the carpet until the tone changes, then drop one more and off you go, get it wrong and it doesn't work...
But what is really pissing me off is your insisting that because something doesn't work for you, therefore it must never ever work for anyone else and god forbid anyone ever correct you, as I am doing, and when they do, you still claim you're right when you're just making yourself out to look like a complete idiot!!
But, like I say, living in ignorance must be bliss...
Yes,I have my Sanitaire set at the right height.YOU are the IDIOT!!!And I am not saying the Sanitaire or any other vacuum works or doesn't work for someone else.You are completly ignorant of what flooring I have in my house.Deep pile carpets are common in US homes-and low pile carpets are commonly used in US commercial places.The Sanitaires work well on these.It is the most commonly sold commercial upright in the US.YOU are pissing me off by saying the Sanitaire works better than the Kirby in my own home when you aren't here to try it!!And I don't intend to walk 8 miles to buy ANY vacuum-did you carry it back all of those 8 miles?
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"did you carry it back all of those 8 miles?"
Actually it was half that, you know, walking from the train station to the seller's home, 4 miles, the C12 was dismantled and placed in my rucksack and I walked the 4 miles back to the station. You should try it, it's called "exercise", and gets you out of the house more...
So, I'm the idiot, okay, so, who was it who said in this thread that the test posted by someone else was "a draw" when you weren't in the same room as the tested vacs?
That was you.
Who was it on many other threads on this site who claims that any Sanitaire is outcleaned by a Kirby, no matter who it belongs to or where it's located or what carpet it's used on, because that's how it is for you?
That was you.
Who is it who argues the toss over any forthwith discussion on said vacuums when people do not back up your opinion which is based on your limited experience?
That is you.
Fine, it doesn't work "for you", that is not my problem, that is not Henrique's problem, it's not the problem of anybody who was a member on this forum past or present, it's yours.
If the people who test their vacs in their homes or businesses decide what is best and what won, don't contradict them, those results are "their" findings. If you want to contradict them, start booking airline tickets and taking your machines to their houses so you can say whether or not that one thing or the other cleans better, cos unless you have the proof to back up your "it's a draw" statement, then you're just talking utter rubbish...
I haven't seen you do any video demonstrations, using measuring tools (Waterlift gauges, Airflow meters, demonstration tools to show how much has been picked up, and more powerful vacs to pick up what has been left behind), so can you blame me for not believing your "facts"? When you start showing such demonstrations and measurements, maybe I'll take an interest in what you find, but until then, I'll just say, "Prove me wrong"...
Actually it was half that, you know, walking from the train station to the seller's home, 4 miles, the C12 was dismantled and placed in my rucksack and I walked the 4 miles back to the station. You should try it, it's called "exercise", and gets you out of the house more...
So, I'm the idiot, okay, so, who was it who said in this thread that the test posted by someone else was "a draw" when you weren't in the same room as the tested vacs?
That was you.
Who was it on many other threads on this site who claims that any Sanitaire is outcleaned by a Kirby, no matter who it belongs to or where it's located or what carpet it's used on, because that's how it is for you?
That was you.
Who is it who argues the toss over any forthwith discussion on said vacuums when people do not back up your opinion which is based on your limited experience?
That is you.
Fine, it doesn't work "for you", that is not my problem, that is not Henrique's problem, it's not the problem of anybody who was a member on this forum past or present, it's yours.
If the people who test their vacs in their homes or businesses decide what is best and what won, don't contradict them, those results are "their" findings. If you want to contradict them, start booking airline tickets and taking your machines to their houses so you can say whether or not that one thing or the other cleans better, cos unless you have the proof to back up your "it's a draw" statement, then you're just talking utter rubbish...
I haven't seen you do any video demonstrations, using measuring tools (Waterlift gauges, Airflow meters, demonstration tools to show how much has been picked up, and more powerful vacs to pick up what has been left behind), so can you blame me for not believing your "facts"? When you start showing such demonstrations and measurements, maybe I'll take an interest in what you find, but until then, I'll just say, "Prove me wrong"...
I haven't seen you use any test instruments on vacuums.This is getting pointless.I do my "exercise" thank you.I can see you don't have any experience,either.And what videos I see-you really can't see what the vacuums involved in the films have picked up.I have worked in the vacuum shops in my area,and have made comparisons there.Not just in my house.
The vac shop...
where I am employed sells a LOT of Sanitaires. The problem with them deep cleaning is not lack of airflow, or suction. The 'bogging down' as described above is due to the machine sucking the carpet so tightly that little air can pass through.
We routinely make a small modification to the unit when we assemble it. We drill a 1/8" hole in the housing behind the brushroll on each side of the fan opening, thus allowing greater airflow, which keeps the fan turning, and the brush spinning. The distance to the fan from the nozzle is slightly longer on the Sanitaire, but it is horizontal, not vertical, as it is with the Kirby, so it requires less force to carry it to the fan chamber.
This small modification vastly improves the machines performance and eliminates that troublesome "#4 is too high and #3 is too low" problem.
Testing of vacuum cleaners outside of a laboratory is problematic at best. The machines need to be in equal condition, not only bags, belts, brushrolls, but carbon brushes as well. And the operator unconsciously makes minor adjustments in his or her vacuuming technique to favor the machine he/she hopes will win: Slower movement, more overlap on the passes, pressure on the handle. It all makes a difference, which is why consistent results are obtained only with measured amounts of dirt, and automated pushing and pulling of the cleaners.
All things being equal, the modified Sanitaire with the VG1 will outclean the Kirby in soil and sand removal.
where I am employed sells a LOT of Sanitaires. The problem with them deep cleaning is not lack of airflow, or suction. The 'bogging down' as described above is due to the machine sucking the carpet so tightly that little air can pass through.
We routinely make a small modification to the unit when we assemble it. We drill a 1/8" hole in the housing behind the brushroll on each side of the fan opening, thus allowing greater airflow, which keeps the fan turning, and the brush spinning. The distance to the fan from the nozzle is slightly longer on the Sanitaire, but it is horizontal, not vertical, as it is with the Kirby, so it requires less force to carry it to the fan chamber.
This small modification vastly improves the machines performance and eliminates that troublesome "#4 is too high and #3 is too low" problem.
Testing of vacuum cleaners outside of a laboratory is problematic at best. The machines need to be in equal condition, not only bags, belts, brushrolls, but carbon brushes as well. And the operator unconsciously makes minor adjustments in his or her vacuuming technique to favor the machine he/she hopes will win: Slower movement, more overlap on the passes, pressure on the handle. It all makes a difference, which is why consistent results are obtained only with measured amounts of dirt, and automated pushing and pulling of the cleaners.
All things being equal, the modified Sanitaire with the VG1 will outclean the Kirby in soil and sand removal.
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"I haven't seen you use any test instruments on vacu
Really? Well blow me, what a shock, cos that appendage I used on the Miele and the Tristar to demonstrate and compare them must have just been a random plastic tumour that must have gone completely unnoticed by me!!! I may have to go lie down after such a shock... :O
(More sarcasm, incase you missed it again)
I have plenty of experience with using, testing and repairing my vacuums, and I have seen many vacuum tests with the same models (and even the same vacs I now own that were sold or given to me), I may not have all the measuring tools I mentioned, but, I have friends who do (who are not part of this forum for this very reason, ignorant people who can't see past their favourite brand being beaten), and they test the same models, parts, peripherals and other nuances about vacuum cleaners, and using this thing I have in my head called a brain, I process the information into results, and am either impressed or dismayed when I do my own tests in relation to those results...
I used to work in an independent computer shop, I built, tested, repaired and dismantled many computers, but I don't claim to be an expert in them, I know what to do with them and how to get the best out of them, but I don't go round stating that "I'm a computer engineer and you must do this because that is what I say you should", because that is just plain ignorance, which is what you are showing, and have shown many times, and will probably continue to do until you either learn to accept other's findings and experiences, or you end up crossing someone who may not be as polite as I am being here (just ask Petek what I can be like when someone gets on my bad side)...
Okay, I'm going to end this here, I apologise to Henrique for this "discussion" ruining your thread, but I do prefer accuracy over favouritism...
Really? Well blow me, what a shock, cos that appendage I used on the Miele and the Tristar to demonstrate and compare them must have just been a random plastic tumour that must have gone completely unnoticed by me!!! I may have to go lie down after such a shock... :O
(More sarcasm, incase you missed it again)
I have plenty of experience with using, testing and repairing my vacuums, and I have seen many vacuum tests with the same models (and even the same vacs I now own that were sold or given to me), I may not have all the measuring tools I mentioned, but, I have friends who do (who are not part of this forum for this very reason, ignorant people who can't see past their favourite brand being beaten), and they test the same models, parts, peripherals and other nuances about vacuum cleaners, and using this thing I have in my head called a brain, I process the information into results, and am either impressed or dismayed when I do my own tests in relation to those results...
I used to work in an independent computer shop, I built, tested, repaired and dismantled many computers, but I don't claim to be an expert in them, I know what to do with them and how to get the best out of them, but I don't go round stating that "I'm a computer engineer and you must do this because that is what I say you should", because that is just plain ignorance, which is what you are showing, and have shown many times, and will probably continue to do until you either learn to accept other's findings and experiences, or you end up crossing someone who may not be as polite as I am being here (just ask Petek what I can be like when someone gets on my bad side)...
Okay, I'm going to end this here, I apologise to Henrique for this "discussion" ruining your thread, but I do prefer accuracy over favouritism...
kirbymodel2c
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Umm
As you all know I firmly come down on the Kirby side.(No matter if a Sanitaire has a VG1 or a BJ2 lol;o)But understand what Robert is saying about testing.
I think the only thing we all will probably agree on is that we all won't agree on everything all the time. Esp when one make/model vs another.
I bet the samething would happen if we was all in to cars,bikes or even comic book...
I wonder what other clubs and there members disagree about??
James)
As you all know I firmly come down on the Kirby side.(No matter if a Sanitaire has a VG1 or a BJ2 lol;o)But understand what Robert is saying about testing.
I think the only thing we all will probably agree on is that we all won't agree on everything all the time. Esp when one make/model vs another.
I bet the samething would happen if we was all in to cars,bikes or even comic book...
I wonder what other clubs and there members disagree about??
James
)Sanitaire Modification....
"We routinely make a small modification to the unit when we assemble it. We drill a 1/8" hole in the housing behind the brushroll on each side of the fan opening, thus allowing greater airflow, which keeps the fan turning, and the brush spinning. The distance to the fan from the nozzle is slightly longer on the Sanitaire, but it is horizontal, not vertical, as it is with the Kirby, so it requires less force to carry it to the fan chamber."
Trebor, very interesting modification. I own and handful of Sanitaires and would be very interested in trying out this modification. I think I can visualize what you're doing, but any chance of posting a pic or two so there's no confusion?
Thanks!
"We routinely make a small modification to the unit when we assemble it. We drill a 1/8" hole in the housing behind the brushroll on each side of the fan opening, thus allowing greater airflow, which keeps the fan turning, and the brush spinning. The distance to the fan from the nozzle is slightly longer on the Sanitaire, but it is horizontal, not vertical, as it is with the Kirby, so it requires less force to carry it to the fan chamber."
Trebor, very interesting modification. I own and handful of Sanitaires and would be very interested in trying out this modification. I think I can visualize what you're doing, but any chance of posting a pic or two so there's no confusion?
Thanks!
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