Let's pretend I fell off the turnip truck last night in front of a Kirby distributorship and I walked in and bought a new machine complete full price. How much would I spend for it? Reason I ask is a friend of mine bought a "new" machine with renovator about 4 years ago with a g series trade in and I think she got taken to the proverbial cleaners. I'll explain more when I get to my laptop that I can type on.