Kirby Model C bag question

[tom519]

Pictured below are two sani-emtors, one from a Kirby Model C and the other from a 505. If you notice, the diameter of the throat openings where you attach the bag are different. The Model C is smaller. I was wondering then if the first black bags that were made had smaller openings at the bottom, and if that was the case they probably wouldn't fit the newer machines. I would think Kirby would have made different black bags for the Model C and 2C which had the smaller emtors, and then different sized black bags for the Model 3C and up, which had the large emtors, but I am not sure. Reason I ask is if a black bag were to appear on EBAY, how would you know if it came from a Model C, 2C or later, unless you asked? I don't think the smaller opening would stretch enough to fit the larger emtors.

 

[electrolux~137]

Yes, the opening is smaller on all the models prior to the 505. However, the springs on later replacement bags are tight enough that they will fit the smaller opening.

 

[electrolux~137]

P.S. The larger emptor isn't from a 505: It has the "Sweet-Aire" port in the back. That feature was introduced on the Model 510. Also, the bottom cover on the 505 is black.

 

[eurekastar]

Thanks for posting the photo. I never knew the Emtors were smaller.

 

[vac-o-matic]

Same thing..

I ran into this problem on recently acquired 2C, 505 and a Scott and Fetzer. The 2C and S&F both had original black Kirby bags, the 505 didn't. Since the 505 is my childhood training vac, I wanted to put one of the originals on it, but low and behold, discovered the same thing, they do not fit the 505 emtor. The S&F should've had a bag with the S&F name but has a later Kirby bag, so it will stay, at least it's from the era and the same company. So, I ordered one of the new Kirby black replacement bags for the 505...now if I could get someone to put a Kirby circle logo on it, I'd be set!

 

[electrolux~137]

Hmm, that's a puzzlement - I have two 505s and have had several others come and go over the years and they've all had the larger-style Sani-Emptor, with a black bag. Maybe this was another "cross-over" item like the belt cap vs. belt lifter and other transitional changes that occurred over the years.

 

[kirbymodel2c]

Hi Tom

Hi Tom, I noticed the same thing a few years ago,

Also the Kirby models C and 2C have smaller type emp-tors but
the larger type Emptors was introduced with the 3C and 4C but had metal trays/trap doors at the bottom.
The 505 had the same emptor as the 3C and 4C but had a black plastic type material trap door/tray.

Hope this is of some help to you.

James

 

[ohio_tuec]

"I wanted to put one of the originals on it"

Where does one find an original? They're as rare as hen's teeth. I do hope at some point somebody can fabricate the red & gold logo for the new black Kirby bags.

- Karl