Kirby EU Energy ratings?

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Hey folks,

Does anyone have any idea what Kirby have been awarded as part of the EU energy labels? I presume they are affected by the new ratings as they're sold across Europe. Has the Sentria 2 been rated or do we think that the first cleaner to be given ratings will be the new Kirby?
 
Sebo rubbish? I own a Sebo Felix it's an awesome machine.OK it won't have the same air flow as a direct air motor but it is far more user friendly than Kirby. I owed one once.I found it too big and bulky to manoeuvre around my home. It was also noisy, heavy a pain in the butt having to take the floor head off and attach the hose when you want to use the tools it also wasn't the best filtration. So you can keep your Kirby!
 
Firstly I was joking with Chris. Hence the winking face and the 'lmao'.

Secondly my Kirby is a new Sentria II so it is light to manoeuvre with the tech drive and the filtration is HEPA rated.

Everyone has their personal preference. I like my Kirby. I have also owned several new Sebo machines and I also hold them in high regard.

My previous comment was said purely as a joke, so please get down from your soap box
 
Hi,

<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">Hi Chris, I checked with Kirby a month or so before the new regs came in to effect.</span>


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">The Sentria II hasn't been rated and the "New" machine will be the 1st to be rated.</span>


 


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">We'll just have to wait too see what the new machine has been rated at.</span>


 


<span style="font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">James
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Hi James,

I thought the might be the case.

Whilst I've no doubt the Kirby will be A energy rated, it will be interesting to see what the other ratings look like and if those doing the testing note that the cleaner can be converted to cylinder mode (and other features, of course!)
 
I'm sorry to go WAYYYYYY off topic....

If used correctly then there is no reason the Kirby should not score 'A' in every category. Certainly in carpet performance without a shadow of a doubt.

I don't want to sound bias at all, but...
To use the DC41mk2 as an example - It has scored 'A' for everything. There is no way that you can tell me that a new Dyson is a better performer than a new Kirby. Yes the Dyson is far more user friendly when it comes to using the tools - nobody can argue that - so please don't think I'm trying to slander one particular brand.

As another user has said, they once owned a Kirby and found the filtration poor.
And you often see youtube videos of people compairing an old machine from brand X against a new machine from brand Z.

For example there are endless videos of users comparing Kirby Legend era machines against much newer Dyson machines ect ect. In some of these videos the NEW machine may come out better - but how worn was the brush in the Kirby? Was the belt old / stretched / genuine? Was the bag empty and a genuine part?

It's what really gets me when people say 'Oh I had one once and it was rubbish'.
Yes, it might of been rubbish by the time you had finished with it, but how old was it? How maintained was it? Fair enough if you owned it from new and it was rubbish from day one. NOTHING in life is going to perform as well as it did when it was new without propper care and TLC.

There is no doubt that a brand new £400 Dyson will perform very well. But treat it like a normal user - don't clean the brush and never clean the filter ect ect and then in two years time when performance is poor replace it with a £50 bagless machine - The £50 machine will perform so much better than the poorly maintained £400 Dyson and you'll go "wow, that Dyson really was cr@p!", when in reality the Dyson would be far superior if it had been maintained.

I think a lot of the comparisons we see need to be done using both machines NEW. It's no good comparing a sparkly new Dyson against a machine thats 15 years old with a million miles on the clock.

From PERSONAL EXPERIENCE my most recent machines, owned FROM NEW within the last year or so have included a Sebo X4 PET, DC39 Animal, DC41 Animal, DC25 All Floors, Miele S8 Cat & Dog, Sebo Felix PET, Numatic Henry (580w eco version and the older autosave version), Kirby Sentria 2, DC33 Multi Floor, AEG Ultra performer & AEG UltraOne AUO8870 with the electro brush. There's probably a few I've missed out. oh I also had a Miele S7 Cat & Dog from new too.

Now they're all premium machines with premium price tags - apart from maybe the Henry and Ultra performer. And can you guess what? In terms of dirt removal and filtration I would say they have all performed about the same. Thats using them in normal domestic circumstances and maintaining them correctly.

From the cylinder machines the two AEG's were without a doubt the best cylinders I have ever used in terms of dust removal. The Ultra performer was a bagless suction only machine but had incredible airflow and pulled out so much fine powdery dust. The Ultra One with the electro brush - WOW - this was amazing. Sadly it was let down by a cheap and nasty feeling hose. I wouldn't say there is a worst performer in the cylinder machines I have listed as I feel the others all picked up just as well as each other.

From the uprights the best machines I have found from what's listed in terms of dust removal have been the Sebo's (I preferred the Felix), Miele S7, DC41 and the Kirby Sentria 2. The worst performer I feel was the DC33 followed by the DC25.

While I feel the actual dirt removal capabilities of the machines was all well and good, the machines differed wildly when it come to build quality, ease of use, carpet grooming ect ect

I currently own the new version Henry and the Sentria2.
The Henry offers me something quick, robust, user friendly, basic, no frilly bits straight forward cleaning with cheap running costs in relation to bags.
The Kirby offers me what I have found to be the best in terms of dirt removal and carpet grooming - however you have to work for the results in terms of faffing about with the tools ect
I can't say there is a HUGE difference in the overall cleaning ability between the Kirby and Sebo machines I have owned. I'd like to think the Kirby performs just that little bit better given the much higher airflow around the brush, but I suppose we each have our own opinion.

And as far as the EU ratings go.... They're a load of Bollo......

The Henry scored 'A' for energy use - as it should do being only 580 watts.

'C' for carpet performance - okay, a bit dissapointing but it is straight suction after all.

'C' for hard floors - Really? Are you kidding me? And yet the upright Dyson scored an 'A'? Wellaye kidda pull the other one!

'C' for filtration - At this point I start smashing my face off a brick wall. The henry has HOSPITAL GRADE filtration. Used correctly with the Numatic Hepa Flow bags there should be 0 dust escape. I'd happily go to town vacuuming up asbestos with my Henry and I'd even inhale a nice gulp of the exhaust air afterwards. Fair enough I wouldn't want to change the bag. How the hell is it only a 'C'?!? Are they basing this on carbon dust emissions from the motor? Surely they must be? Because theres nothing escaping from the bag chamber on correctly used machines thats for sure!

So yes, it will be very interesting to see just what the Kirby is awarded under the new rating system.
 
Henry gets c on hard floor cause because they put cracks on the hard floor The Machine has to pick it The dust in the crack to get a good rating. I think Kirby get A for energy and A for carpet I don't think hardwood and omissions will not be that good. For Henry don't forget this is all done by professionals and people know what they're doing. As for Henry know someone has a Henry Everytime it's turned on always smells like dust they always change the bag and use genuine bags and it's only about-nine months-old.
 
I agree the EU ratings are a nonsense

Well, if anyone stopped by to see the Hoover Idol stick vac thread and the machine I bought, Hoover have gone and slapped an "A" for hard floor cleaning. A pain in the A** more like! It has a rubber squeegee roll that doesn't move with the air from the vacuum cleaner but moves freely, presumably designed to roll across a floor. Then there is a static dual channel of squeegee strips at the back where the main suction channel is.

Now if you have ever tried pushing a rubber broom across a hard floor, it doesn't always glide - it is positively difficult to do with Hoover's roller and fixed design. Yet Hoover have rated it's hard floor performance as "A" with this hard floor tool. It fails to pick up properly the first time around and yes there is a video being made of it, to show up Hoover's poor design.

Meanwhile Numatic's John and Lewis models should do better at carpet performance - both are equipped with Airobrush turbo floor heads as well as their suction only floor heads.
 
I don't think I can even be bothered to argue with that hugely flawed statement.

Firstly, have you used one of the NEW Henry machines? That floor tool could pull the plaster from the walls. I really can't see how it is only scoring a 'C' on hard flooring when upright machines are scoring an 'A'. In fact you can't even move the new floor tool on hard flooring unless you pop the brushes down because without the brushes down creating a form of airflow release it welds itself to the floor with the superb suction.

It smells of dust does it? Maybe thats because it has a bag full of dust inside of it? Using genuine bags has nothing to do with the way the machine smells. My Henry is a month old and smells of dust. Chris (Turbo500)'s Sebo machine smells of dust. My Kirby smells of dust when the bag is starting to fill. ALL bagged machines smell of dust when they have a bag full of the stuff. You know what that tells me? That it's working. That the dust is in the machine and not on the floor.

"don't forget this is all done by professionals and people know what they're doing" LOL - where do I even start on that one? Really? Next you'll be saying everything that you read in the news is the truth!

And as far as the Kirbys ratings go. How would it not score well on hard floors and dust retention? Its a direct air machine with MASSIVE airflow for starters so I can't see a bit of dust down a crevice being an issue. HEPA filtation. I've filled 5 bags with my Kirby so far and there has been NO dust escape from them.

Again I can only stress that I don't want to sound bias. I'm not banging on saying 'this is best' because it's all I have or all I've ever known. I've tried most makes, most recent models, and this is what I've settled on. I'm not saying the Henry and Kirby filtration is BETTER than say, a Dyson, but what I AM saying is that they are certainly no worse and that the ratings should reflect this.
 
SeboFan - believe it or not the Henry Xtra (with the airo brush) still only scores a 'C' on carpets!! Check it out on the Argos website.

God only knows who they have making up these ratings.

Maybe they have a sack full of rating stickers and just pick them out at random? Or maybe theres just a load of monkeys locked in a room with typewriters that only have A to G keys? Whatever key the monkey hits between throwing feces is the rating the machines recieve hahaha
 
Well, the other thing to remember Matt is that we don't know what indication the home is in for dust to start smelling out of the vacuum cleaner. It could be a number of things like a stinky hose, or perhaps the Tritex filter on board hasn't actually been washed.

Lets not forget that Average vacuum cleaner owner rarely cleans out their vacuum cleaner.

Unlike collectors!
 
Actually I have had one the new ones and I thought it was fantastic for the price but the only thing I didn't like was it was a bit clumsy.i Used to think if then machine smells It was coming out dirty silly me:). As I forgot you can turn the busbar off on the Kirby what we made my scratch the floor as it's all metal. What is the new one it looks good I might get one.:)
 
Ohhhh Sebo_fan. Shame on you! The filter in my Henry has a little tag on saying 'DO NOT WASH' lol

To be honest I don't care for my machines as much as you'd think.
On Henry's I have owned I change the bag. Thats as far as internal care goes. The filter never really gets dirty due to the HEPA bags, but if it was soiled I'd just give it a shake or vacuum it with another machine.

I think I've owned my Kirby for about 9 months? Certainly getting close to a year now. Today I sat and gave it a bit of a polish and changed the belt for the first time I also checked the brush roll bearings were clean. Nothing special in my eyes. I'll do the same in another 9 months or so. I'll look after this machine given I paid £1000 for it, but I certainly don't treat it like royalty. Other than changing the bag, belt and polishing the metal as and when needed it won't be getting any special treatment. I won't be pulling it to bits and washing bits of it willy nilly thats for sure! Having said all that I'd cry if I scratched it or damaged it in any way. It gets used, not abused. I know there are some people out there who will polish bag chambers and polish the external housing after every use - honestly, I coundn't be @rsed with all that fuss LOL
 
Well, you see - you'd cry if you damaged it. I can't imagine anyone who owns a Kirby and who isn't a collector would cry over a dent or a scratch. When you consider the price and durability of them, they're probably as longer lasting as a Volvo - i.e you can bash it and bash it and bash it and still, it looks like nothing has ever happened to it.
 

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