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I have a basiclly new Compact C-4 and i have EVERYTHING! I even have the original toy box/case thing it came in. I have the manual receipt, and hoses. I have the Cyclonic Turbenette carpet tool too! <br <br
How much is this worth? I got and estimate from a collector and i want your epinion! Yes i am interested in selling/trading! Anyone interested <br
Please Email me at: [email protected] <br <br
Kyle Krichbaum
 
Just bang it on ebay and see what happens..gotta take risks in business <br
I've seen items with the level of completeness that has go for frankly ludicrous prices.
 
Kyle, you are being sandbagged

Kyle
I am "remote" so I don't have access now to old newsletters (and I only have a few) but will try to see if the by-laws address the issue of discussing prices. But for this post, I might be elbow jabbing Fred and Brett a little and trust that they, and other club members, know that it is not mean spirited. Here goes
Everything, Kyle, has a "fair market value" -- that is, the value a willing buyer will pay a willing seller. And the way we estimate, or appraise, that value is to look at the history of sales. It is not intuitive, as Brett suggests, it is a function of sales history
If you had a rare coin, coin collectors would say if the condition is X, the value is between this and that, and if the condition of Y, the value is between this and that. And then there is wholesale and retail
And depending on various market conditions, the values can have a range and sometimes that range is very great, and frustrating. Ian was pretty square with you with his reference to ebay. ebay is becoming a serious factor in giving us sales history for determining value. Some complain ebay pumps the prices and others talk of ebay being saturated. Well, Kyle, that is market fluctuation. Values can be different at different times. The housing market is currently providing glaring illusration of that
I believe (I am sure they will straighten me out if I am wrong) that all of the big guns in this club have a notion of the value of your machine. But they won't publish their opinion on this forum (maybe that is in the by-laws - smile). Those members keep an eye on ebay and pay attention to other sales. They know, probably better than any other source, the answer to your question.
So why, then, (you should ask) are you given non-answers to such a litigimate question? I am not sure. On the one hand, it seems like there is a tone of "we are preserving history and not crass merchants and need to be able to obtain these machines for next to nothing because we have limited means but good hearts." But that doesn't make sense because if the goal is to preserve and restore, more preservation and restoration will happen if the value makes it worth your while
Perhaps the best reason you can't get a straight answer is that if that starts happening here, then people who really don't give a rip about old cleaners will be tuning in to help them sell what to them is just a commodity. And while such inquiry is litigitmate, it is probably better suited for a different site, club, or whatever
And a concern that discussing prices on this site will make this forum into something else, and less desirable, is, in my view, fair. I am just not sure it is necessary to have such a restriction -- that is, we could try it and see what happens
If I am assisting people administer decedent's estates, Fred's suggestion that omething is only worth how much someone else is willing to pay for it is not helpful when I need to show an inventory to the county attorney. Everything has a value. Everything. You are being sandbagged
 
Follow-up regarding valuation

Kyle, as promised, I fished out by-laws dated 2006 and saw no mention of the discussion of value and I looked for and did not find any rules for this website in that regard. I trust someone will point us properly if it is just missed
I have a vague recollection, however, of a discussion on this or another forum of sharing price/value info that suggested it was not something the members wanted to do. I could (easily) be wrong.
 
yes everything has value...

BUT how is the value determined <br
I had a similar discussion with my insurance man, with regards to my home owners insurance.
He saw a room full of old used vacuums. I a collection that I've been working on for 30+ years of my life.
Who decides the value <br
 
Jeff.. <br
Good point...who should decide? <br
Kyle.. <br
Your best bet is for you to put a value on it yourself. How much would it take for you to part with it? Remember that you need to fund your hobby. Most collectors are willing to pay a fair price and do not expect something for nothing. If your price is not reached, then just hold onto it. Seems that there are new collectors joining in everyday. I wish I could help you more...it is just that I really do not know much about that particular brand. Best of luck <br
--Tom
 
I really didn't mean to come across as "sandbagging" Kyle, I merely meant to offer some realistic advice when it came to questioning the worth of an old cleaner <br
I apologize if what I said came across as such <br
Charles Richard Lester has a very in-depth article about this subject posted on his site, entitled "How Much is Aunt Tillie's Old Sweeper Worth?&quot <br
Check it out <br
~Fred

http://www.137.com/value/
 
Valuation -

Fred,
no apology was expected - I was just trying to stimulate this topic. And, with all due respect to my friend CRL, the link, at the end of the day, says what you said in your initial response (and that just doesn't answer the question) except he gets a smidge closer by saying a rare cleaner, complete and cherry, might worth a few hundred dollars <br
Jeff
the market decides the value. So, you track, scientifically, or anecdotally, sales prices and conditions/completeness and you get a range. and this can be specific to a cleaner, or general to a class of cleaner/condition. When I walk into a house with an experienced auctioneer or estate sale-type, they can usually "estimate" the kit&kaboodle value. Or, they can give me a range of what a specific item might go for. A member of this club who buys and sells, and watches stuff on ebay, is probably "qualified" to estimate the value of most machines -- certainly give you a rang <br
 
Had to take a call.

I'm back - any way, I would think that most of the serious collectors, peeking at ebay also, have a very good idea of what they would pay for a cleaner and what they would sell a cleaner for. But try to get them to post a value - Uff da, some things just aren't shared in public.
So, Ian, Kyle, how do you get it out of them? You should work on a list and give those old farts a chance for input to correct the product. Publish it as the "last and definitive word - discussion draft only" on vintage cleaner value and see if anyone will help you with adjustments before it hits the internet as the "last and definitive word." (smile).
 
So, anyway

So, anyway, Kyle, your C-4, based on your description, is probably worth about $265 - give or take $20 -
Right guys
Okay, now Kyle, you have to tell us what your collector estimated the value to be. Come on' - give.
 
I just guess value judging by age, completeness and condition of the product tbh, I dunno if there's any more precise valuation methods.
 
Rocket

im you lost me with "sandbagged". ive never heard that term before. teabagged yes, but not sandbagged. enjoy your posts, Mark <br
Pete, ur right. i think a few pics of the item in question is not asking too much <br
imagine if sellers always set their selling price according to the buyers estimate?
 
Precision

Ian, straighten up. This isn't simple like rocket science. There is no precision here. This is good old fashioned "educated prognostication" - sometimes referred to as a darn good guess - or, in cultured circles, an educated guess. That's all we want here - an educated guess.
 

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