I can't believe I'm having this conversation yet again, but nevermind.
"OVERPRICED? THEY WERE LIKE £200 BACK IN THE DAY"
£200 in 1993 was the equivilant of £369.87 when adjusted for inflation. Still overpriced.
Numatic, Miele, Sebo and Panasonic all offer more solid machines at lower prices.
"HOW MANY BAGGED MACHINES ARE THERE ON THE MARKET TODAY? HOW MANY PEOPLE STILL USE BAGGED VACUUMS BESIDES HENRY'S IN THE UK?"
Bagged cylinder vacuums are still the biggest selling vacuum type worldwide. We've had data posted on the forum to show this.
"EVEN WHEN YOU TAKE THE BAG OUT THER'ES A POOF OF DUST, SO YOU NEED TO CLEAN OUT THE BAG COMPARTMENT, SO I WOULD RATHER EMPTY A DYSON"
Not true, especially considering that almost all bagged cleaners now have some sort of sealing system for when you remove the bag. My Sebo is 5 years old this year, there's not a spec of dust on the inside of the bag housing and I have never had to clean it out. And the same applies to Miele with their high quality bags.
"HOW? OTHER VACUUMS REQUIRE HOSE ASSEMBLY, BUT DYSON HAS THE WAND WITH HOSE READY TO USE WITHIN A BLINK OF AN EYE"
No. To release the hose, you have to stop what you're doing and dismantle the handle of the vacuum. Lets say you're vacuuming in upright mode and spot something on a skirting board or sofa that just needs the hose. You'd have to completely stop what you're doing. Look at old Panasonic 40 series, Lux Contours and right through to modern Sebo X series and Miele S7's. You don't even have to put the machine in the upright position to access the hose. Makes things much quicker and easier.
"WHAT ABOUT OTHER BAGLESS UPRIGHTS? EXCEPT THE VAX MACH AIR, BUT EVEN THE DYSON BALL CAN HAVE THE HEAD FIT UNDER LOW FURNITURE, AND THERES THE DIGITAL SLIM, AND PEOPLE STILL USE THE DC03 TODAY. THATS THE QUALITY"
Pretty much ALL other uprights on the market will lay as flat as they can and go at least under a bed. Not possible with the Dyson floating head or ball design. The digital slim is not an adequate replacement for a mains powered upright. It doesn't generate enough suction or agitate the carpet enough to even come close to that performance.
"LIKE WHAT? NO LOSS OF SUCTION IS TRUE."
James Dyson didn't invent the first cyclonic vacuum or the first filterless vacuum and the no loss of suction claim is dependant on maintenace of the filters, a disclaimer which Dyson fail to mention in their advertising. And before you say it, I KNOW this doesn't factor into the cinnetic, but that's only 2 models out of 21 years worth of advertising as NLOS.
"WELL EXPLAIN WHY PEOPLE ARE MUCH HAPPIER WITH THEIR NEW SHINY DYSON OR THEIR OLD DUSTY DYSON COMPARED TO THEIR OLD VACUUMS? MOST RECOMMEND THEIR DYSON OVER ANOTHER BRAND. THEY JUST WORK BETTER. AND NOT LIKE COLLECTORS, PEOPLE DONT CARE. OVERALL DYSON MAKE GREAT MACHINES."
That's the power of clever marketing. Dyson created a problem for people that never existed. The early advertising about clogging bags and the like planted a tiny seed of doubt in the public's mind and grew and grew. In all fairness, that's what a good advertising campaign should do, but ultimately the cyclonic/bagless aspect was just a gimmick. The DC01 and DC03 was useless uprights. Piss poor suction, crap brushroll's. Just about everything on the market at the time would out-clean it. However, the bagless aspect captured people's imagination. Couple that with the fact that people see all that dust spinning around, it's essentially brain washing people into thinking that lots of dirt is being picked up. When in actual fact, it's not. It just looks like more because it's being spun through the air at high speed.
Incidentally, if you sign up to any of the major opinion forums online and read what's going on in the world, more and more people are switching from Dyson's and other bagless vacuums back to bags, and Numatic continue to out-sell Dyson year after year.
"#######**** I thought you liked the DC40 btw? you said the performance was much better....#######********** "
Is there a point to the hashes and asterix's here or are you just having a melt down?
I do think the performance was better and has continued to get better. But there are still too many aspects of the cleaner I don't like, as detailed above, and the build quality was worse than ever before.
Tayyab, why do you feel the need to challenge me on this constantly? You know my opinion on Dyson, god knows I've voiced it enough. I'm not trying to get you to not like them. Whether you like them or not is really not my concern. I honestly don't care if you love them or loathe them. But just because you don't agree with me is not going to change my mind. I don't dislike Dyson for no reason. I didn't just wake up one morning and decide I didn't like them. I've spent a lot of time and effort forming the opinions I have and whether you agree or not, I'm not going to change that just because you say so.
