Kirby DS80 1989 Rebuild

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sopranojam85

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I caved. I needed a stronger shop vac. I've gone through 3 shop vacs (including a DeWalt) and they all just did not work very well. Clunky, loud, not enough suction, lacking in tools.

I saw an ad for this, and had to have it. It's a DS80, with some basic accessories (hose, and hose tools.) No rug renovator, or any of that stuff. I need to get a crystallator but it has all the other basic attachments, including a ceiling fan blade cleaner (which is light gray in color, hmm)

Several of the attachments are wrapped in plastic with the 80s era Kirby logo printed on it, some of which still unopened. The seller said Kirby had rebuilt it. I believed her based on the plastic wrap I saw in the photo. I didn't even ask for a photo of the bottom plate, I just grabbed it.

Sure enough it was rebuilt in 1989. I have to hope that this bag is only 30 years old and not 50+ years old, because it appears to be in quite good shape with no rips, tears, holes, or overly worn points.

It will see almost daily use in the garage and workshop. I will keep it in canister mode most of the time. No need for a HEPA conversion, I'll just keep the cloth bag and emptor.

I repair and restore keyboards, organs, and things related. Most of what I clean is dust and debris from 50 - 70+ year old instruments that have never had a deep clean. This will do the job nicely. This Kirby does not have a metal fan any longer and so I hope that will prevent blade breakage if I accidentally suck up something coin-like.

I am not sure when Kirby's rebuild department quit making the avocado green attachments (or do they still?) but I am glad it was rebuilt when it was, because I imagine if it was done later, I would have some kind of tan or black hybrid machine. Some of the attachments include 2 I have 2 of - original, and "new" 1989 parts.

When I fired it up with the hose, it had an odd turbulent pulsating sound. I discovered a plastic cap of some kind was in the hose undulating about, just the right size to be stuck in the hose. Once I fished it out, it worked great.

I'm not really planning on doing much restoration work to this thing, at least not for a while. It is being put to work.

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Nice find!

But, I would get that fan replaced. The grey lexan ones crack with heat and stress and are known to explode. They sell kits to install the white fan on eBay. The white one is made of a different, much more durable material.
 
Yes

The fan is trash. You have a nice machine too.
The shop vac if you put filters on and disposable bag I guarantee they work. The DS 80 is really good choice. Kirby does CFM and this is there strongest machine CFM wise. I mean produced to general public not special order. I'd say trade in the bag and us a heritage bag setup for HEPA bags. I make adapter kits and I actually sold one this last week.
First pic Pinterest stole but is a ds50 with heritage bag and it's very similar to the DS 80.
The second is my first day 80 bag that I put a fill tube on.
Nice choice sweet vacuum.
Les

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You could always put a bit of wire mesh in the end of the hose - I think they call it animal wire, not chicken wire which has bigger holes. Not sure what they call it, but it's more rigid than chicken wire and the holes are about 1/2" which would catch any coin sized objects.
 
Re: Double-wide wheels

I hadn’t considered that. So many photos of these machines have double wide wheels. Did the factory rebuild do that?

Also re: fan
Yes I had forgotten about the discussions about Lexan. I’ll look for a new fan soon.

Re: HEPA. I was displeased with the loss of suction when I installed a Heritage II bag and HEPA tube onto my Classic Omega. I really don’t want to mess with that with this machine either. Garage work, not indoor/interior so if I’m vacuuming something hazardous for an extended period I’ll probably just wear a mask anyway, then wash the bag when I’m done.
 
sopranojam85

Callie,

As far as I know, no. I would guess in the years since the 1989 rebuild of this machine, the then-current owner probably took it to his/her local vac shop and requested it have the double-wides for better stability.

If you ever have trouble getting this machine to run after reassembly, here is a video from VacLab you might be interested in watching:


~Ben
 
The motor runs very smoothly, and is even quieter than I remember my past Kirby motors running. No complaints there. I've ordered a 119078A fan kit as insurance against this gray fan shattering.

I won't bother with bearings or carbon brushes for now, but when I install the fan, I'll check the brushes for wear. I ordered an inflator tool attachment, and a used crystalator in case I need positive air pressure to blow dust out. Thank you all.
 
Hepa

I sold a HEPA kit a week and a half ago. He said it sounded like it was sucking more air.
Each person is different. The machine has been using a shakeout bag for over 50 years no need to change it now.
I don't know if Kirby puts wide wheels or double wheels. It does help square up the stance of the vacuum and utilize all 8 height settings.
The double wheels if they used an extender screw I'd recommend a classic through tradition front axle. The wide screw creates a weak point in the axle.
Les
 
New fan installed today. The carbon brushes are 1/4" long, so time for new ones. I also accidentally cracked one of the carbon brush holders while removing them. ugh. New one on the way, along with 2 new brushes. As I said, I am not messing with the bearings for now. The motor runs smoothly and quietly. I did clean up the debris and dirt in and around the motor and some around the field.
 
sopranojam85

Callie,

Too bad about that one carbon brush holder.

And yes, as Les suggested, you could change out the front axle from your old style to the one used for Classic 1CR to Legend II (part no. 131670S), to have the machine sit higher up front. That is what I used to do on my D80 years back.


There were also a few Kirby Classic 1CRs built in 1970 that had the older-style front axle being used with the new wider brown wheels, so a longer screw (10-32 x 3/4") was used during this time.

~Ben
 
Axle

The cb Kirby models had the axle I mentioned. Omega, classic 3 and tradition. The heritage Mico matic works too it just has a screw on the #1 setting. The reason for the screw is it would cause havoc on rugs.
If you have an adhesive goop glue or e6000 which are the same item. You can glue together the carbon brush holders. I have done this as there were none available online.
In case that happens in the future.
If your motor is quiet the bearings are fine.
Keep us posted on how things are going.
Les
 
The brushes and brush holder are here. The new brush holder was installed without a hitch, but unfortunately, the brushes themselves are much too big. I ordered them from ezvacuum.com and It said this was part 118067 “Carbon Brush for D50 D80”. Either their description is wrong or they simply sent the wrong parts. The photo is a comparison between the old and new. The new has “HG22” printed on it. Waiting for the store to reply to see what can be done.

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Need help with cabron brushes.

The shop (EZVacuum) I bought part 118067 from said that's all they have, and suggested I return it.

When I search for 118067 and/or 118067A, I see products with the same "HG22" printed on them, and most appear to have a rectangular contact surface.

What I need are brushes with a square (1/4" x 1/4") contact surface. Does anyone know why the mixup and where I might find such brushes? New or NOS, I don't care. Thank you.
 
sopranojam85

Callie,

Here's a pair of correct motor brushes for your machine...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kirby-Vacu...Pack-118067-/170967345572?hash=item27ce72a9a4

In the picture, "B75" is cast into the graphite.

This seller, who I have done business with many, many times, also recommends you ignore removing the brush wire terminal clips (104559), which are bent to hold down the brush in the holder and straightening them out usually would break these tips; instead, he recommends you remove the brush holder clip and then the brush holder itself, so you can access the old carbon brush from the bottom instead of the top, to avoid damaging the field terminal clips.

~Ben[this post was last edited: 8/17/2020-20:29]
 
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Ben, thank you! I read that post top to bottom but found no mention of part numbers. Ok, I hope these brushes do the trick. I don't feel like eating the cost of shipping these bigger ones back, so maybe I'll just hold on to them if needed for a different Kirby.
 
sopranojam85

Callie,

I edited my original post.

In the new link I gave you to the right correct carbon brushes (the B75s), he says these ones measure 1/4" x 3/4". As I said before, it is recommended you don't bother removing the field terminal clips to access the brushes, but instead to remove the holder clip and then the holder itself, to access it from the bottom.

Yes, do hold on to the ones you got (the HG22s), for your Classic Omega if you still have it.

~Ben
 

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