dyson dc65 Cleans better across carpets and hard floors
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tylerawells
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This should be moved to Contemporary
<span style="font-size: medium; font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: #333399;">This thread really belongs in Contemporary, having to do with a modern cleaner. I will say this though, I do not think this is the best machine you can get in the United States today, unless you're looking to buy an overpriced package of brightly colored plastic. If I were going to buy a new machine today in the USA, I would look first and likely wind up with one of the Tacony Tandem Air machines (Riccar Radiance / Simplicity Synchrony / Maytag M020R). Second look machines would be like the Hoover 100TH Anniversary Wind Tunnel Self Propelled, which is not that bad of a cleaner for the price tag. There are much better machines to be had for a much smaller price tag.</span>
<span style="font-size: medium; font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: #333399;">At the end of the day though, it's whatever floats your boat.
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<span style="font-size: medium; font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: #333399;">This thread really belongs in Contemporary, having to do with a modern cleaner. I will say this though, I do not think this is the best machine you can get in the United States today, unless you're looking to buy an overpriced package of brightly colored plastic. If I were going to buy a new machine today in the USA, I would look first and likely wind up with one of the Tacony Tandem Air machines (Riccar Radiance / Simplicity Synchrony / Maytag M020R). Second look machines would be like the Hoover 100TH Anniversary Wind Tunnel Self Propelled, which is not that bad of a cleaner for the price tag. There are much better machines to be had for a much smaller price tag.</span>
<span style="font-size: medium; font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: #333399;">At the end of the day though, it's whatever floats your boat.
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madabouthoovers
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Josh - I think you started a bit of a barney going here lol - The Americans generally don't like Dysons anywhere near as much as the Brits do, and I think you may get a few more negative comments about it. To me, it looks the same as the UK DC41.
Many Americans are brand loyal to US brands like Riccar/Simplicity/Tacony/Kirby/Maytag/Eureka etc, and with Dyson being as expensive in the US as they are here, and with them being British, they are not high on the list of loved brands over there.
Many Americans are brand loyal to US brands like Riccar/Simplicity/Tacony/Kirby/Maytag/Eureka etc, and with Dyson being as expensive in the US as they are here, and with them being British, they are not high on the list of loved brands over there.
super-sweeper
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The best in America!?
I hope you're meaning this as a joke! You have fun proving that! The best.....what on EARTH could lead you to that assumption? The cheap plastic construction? The feeling of one-upping your neighbor? "I've just got the NEW DC50!" "Well,I just got THE NEW DC65! Take that, Bill!"
If something is going to be the BEST in America, I would at least hope it's Made In America! Some cheap Malaysian wal-mart vac.....going for the title of the Best! Ha. Funny.
I could go out to a GARAGE SALE and find something that could clean better than THAT, I'm mighty fine using "some ancient sweeper" That could whoop that "thing" any time. Some with QUALITY, Something with Dependability.....(Do I really need to say HOOVER, or can you take a hint?).
I hope you're meaning this as a joke! You have fun proving that! The best.....what on EARTH could lead you to that assumption? The cheap plastic construction? The feeling of one-upping your neighbor? "I've just got the NEW DC50!" "Well,I just got THE NEW DC65! Take that, Bill!"
If something is going to be the BEST in America, I would at least hope it's Made In America! Some cheap Malaysian wal-mart vac.....going for the title of the Best! Ha. Funny.
I could go out to a GARAGE SALE and find something that could clean better than THAT, I'm mighty fine using "some ancient sweeper" That could whoop that "thing" any time. Some with QUALITY, Something with Dependability.....(Do I really need to say HOOVER, or can you take a hint?).
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Production in the Far East..
It might be cheap quality and mass produced in the Far East, but Dyson still has the cheek to charge more for his vacs than most Miele vacs cost here in the UK, and I know which I would sooner buy. Its a very sad fact that Dyson has become a greedy business tycoon now who is more interested in lining his own pockets and those of his shareholders, than producing decent quality products. He moved production to Malaysia to cut down on manufacturing costs, but who benefitted from this? Certainly not the customer, nor the workers he sacked in England when he shut down the production factory here. This is now the case for many companies who used to manufacture in the UK, they mostly manufacture their shoddy goods in China now, and the lack of quality control shows, when items break down within a year or so of being new.
I wanted a new free standing microwave combi oven to replace my 8 year old LG Wavedom which has a broken grill and looked a loads of them online. Could I find a single one that wasn't made in China? 90% of them are now made in China and destined to pack up within a couple of years, and the others are mostly made in some other Far East country like Vietnam, Korea or Thailand, with the exception of Miele, NEFF and the few others that are still made in Europe, but these tend to be integrated appliances.
I was surprised to buy a new Philips shaver though the other week and it was made in The Netherlands! Bravo, something not made in China lol
It might be cheap quality and mass produced in the Far East, but Dyson still has the cheek to charge more for his vacs than most Miele vacs cost here in the UK, and I know which I would sooner buy. Its a very sad fact that Dyson has become a greedy business tycoon now who is more interested in lining his own pockets and those of his shareholders, than producing decent quality products. He moved production to Malaysia to cut down on manufacturing costs, but who benefitted from this? Certainly not the customer, nor the workers he sacked in England when he shut down the production factory here. This is now the case for many companies who used to manufacture in the UK, they mostly manufacture their shoddy goods in China now, and the lack of quality control shows, when items break down within a year or so of being new.
I wanted a new free standing microwave combi oven to replace my 8 year old LG Wavedom which has a broken grill and looked a loads of them online. Could I find a single one that wasn't made in China? 90% of them are now made in China and destined to pack up within a couple of years, and the others are mostly made in some other Far East country like Vietnam, Korea or Thailand, with the exception of Miele, NEFF and the few others that are still made in Europe, but these tend to be integrated appliances.
I was surprised to buy a new Philips shaver though the other week and it was made in The Netherlands! Bravo, something not made in China lol
super-sweeper
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Let's play the BAGLESS Card!
Not Bad? I was using my DC07 (Hard to believe I of all people would have such a thing!) the other day. Mine is the "Full-Kit" model, and is complete rubbish. The suction to base hose has un-done and fell apart, handle release busted, bin handle busted, and when it DOES work, I can only use the hose now! I wouldn't even want to use it as an actual vacuum, That is an honor only given to the HOOVERS, Kirbys, And more and more quality machines (G.E, Eureka, Etc). Boy did that suction drop with that fine dust I tried to pick up! Pathetic. I thought all the cyclones were supposed to FILTER the fine dust out of the air? Yeah, Right.
The ONLY Bagless cleaners I would EVER recommend, Goes to Fantom and Amway. I cannot personally speak for the Amway performance, but it is still a quality machine, with excellent reviews. I am in the process of buying an Amway, then I shall beat the Good DC07 (TWO Dc07's?!? Why would I own such a thing!?) with both the Amway AND The Fantom Thunder. Maybe even the Fury, too. I'll even clean the Dyson's filter beforehand!
Not Bad? I was using my DC07 (Hard to believe I of all people would have such a thing!) the other day. Mine is the "Full-Kit" model, and is complete rubbish. The suction to base hose has un-done and fell apart, handle release busted, bin handle busted, and when it DOES work, I can only use the hose now! I wouldn't even want to use it as an actual vacuum, That is an honor only given to the HOOVERS, Kirbys, And more and more quality machines (G.E, Eureka, Etc). Boy did that suction drop with that fine dust I tried to pick up! Pathetic. I thought all the cyclones were supposed to FILTER the fine dust out of the air? Yeah, Right.
The ONLY Bagless cleaners I would EVER recommend, Goes to Fantom and Amway. I cannot personally speak for the Amway performance, but it is still a quality machine, with excellent reviews. I am in the process of buying an Amway, then I shall beat the Good DC07 (TWO Dc07's?!? Why would I own such a thing!?) with both the Amway AND The Fantom Thunder. Maybe even the Fury, too. I'll even clean the Dyson's filter beforehand!
I am with KenKart-bagged cleaners rule!!On my visit to the vac place near me-a Dyson "Animal" purple vacuum was brought in for service by a cat owner-sadly she would vacuum her floors soaked in cat pee-couldn't wait for it to dry-and she used Carpet Fresh to try to cover the cat pee smell.Think the best place for that Dyson is the DUMPSTER-and to top it off-the motor had VERY dirty fans-made the off-balance sound.The vac shop serviced it anyway-suggested and even offered her a new machine .Don't blame the vacuum so much here-but the owner-clearly ABUSED the Dyson vac.Seems like around this area Dyson and other bagless vacs are liked by pet owners-and they STINK!!!!!
jade_angel
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I'll give you this - it's almost certainly the best *bagless* vacuum you can get in the USA unless you count such things as Filter Queen.
But yeah, for bagged, you can get Sanitaire, Riccar/Simplicity/Maytag and Royal, which I'd choose over the DC65, especially for the price. I'll grant that the Dyson's tools are more convenient than the Royal's, and that it's pretty maneuverable, though.
As to what, specifically, I don't like about Dysons? Well, other than the usual bagless problems - which, admittedly, Dyson does better on than most - I find the build quality isn't up to what it should be at the price, and the agitation is singularly unimpressive. As an experiment, try this - on a short-pile carpet, pour out a thick line of sand. Take a Dyson, and another high-end vacuum: when I tried it the other was a Simplicity Moxie canister. Turn them on and start the brush, then move them toward the sand. The Dyson has to get mighty close before the sand starts vibrating and moving toward the nozzle. The Simplicity, OTOH, makes it dance from quite a ways off, even if it's settled into the pile.
Agitation, airflow and suction, in that order, are what cleans carpets. Dyson has the last two, but falls flat on the first. I will admit some of them do a bang-up job on surface pet hair, though (but then, so do Simplicities!)
But yeah, for bagged, you can get Sanitaire, Riccar/Simplicity/Maytag and Royal, which I'd choose over the DC65, especially for the price. I'll grant that the Dyson's tools are more convenient than the Royal's, and that it's pretty maneuverable, though.
As to what, specifically, I don't like about Dysons? Well, other than the usual bagless problems - which, admittedly, Dyson does better on than most - I find the build quality isn't up to what it should be at the price, and the agitation is singularly unimpressive. As an experiment, try this - on a short-pile carpet, pour out a thick line of sand. Take a Dyson, and another high-end vacuum: when I tried it the other was a Simplicity Moxie canister. Turn them on and start the brush, then move them toward the sand. The Dyson has to get mighty close before the sand starts vibrating and moving toward the nozzle. The Simplicity, OTOH, makes it dance from quite a ways off, even if it's settled into the pile.
Agitation, airflow and suction, in that order, are what cleans carpets. Dyson has the last two, but falls flat on the first. I will admit some of them do a bang-up job on surface pet hair, though (but then, so do Simplicities!)
oliveoiltinfoil
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German machines are among the best in my opinion. Cant go wrong with a Sebo Felix. Blow any dyson out of the water in terms of just about everything.
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Ah - but a Sebo Felix hasn't got any cyclones, and in this day and age, the more cyclones you've got the better!
umadbro18688
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In my opinion...
I think that you shouldn't be rude about what vacuums you like or collect just saying my opinion.
I think that you shouldn't be rude about what vacuums you like or collect just saying my opinion.
electromatik
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Dyson's are not hated because they are British. American consumers are very open to foreign brands. Why do you think the Toyota Camry has been the best selling car for 15 years? Most Americans are not familiar with British vacuums because historically they had NO presence here. Most Americans in the high end market are very open to the German brands like Miele and Sebo. Only until Dyson arrived are people aware of British vacuums. Dyson's get complaints from many owners who claim they struggle to clean American style wall to wall carpets. Many vacuum reviewers are also doing all these competitions which seemingly show Dyson's being unable to remove sand from carpets compared to Miele, Riccar, Kirby, Royal, etc.
umadbro18688
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True
But why do people have to be called out for the vacs they like and have to be compared because someone else does not like them
But why do people have to be called out for the vacs they like and have to be compared because someone else does not like them
electromatik
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Nobody is calling him out for liking Dysons. The thread starter entered with the opening post stating that a Dyson model was the best vacuum in the country. When you state something is the best of all you are inevitably going to get challenged. The Kirby people, the Aerus people, etc. are going to have something to say. People are free to like what they like in my mind. I for one think that "best" vacuum is something that can never be proven. There are too many subjective opinons and too many human variables.
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The thing is - everytime Dyson launched a new machine, he patronises the rest of them. For example, with the Cinetic, he says it's the only vacuum that dosent loose suction power. Well, isn't that what all of the other Dyson models are supposed to do?
sebo_fan
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Sorry Electromatik, but whilst I agree with your reply, the Toyota Camry that has been a best seller in the USA for "15 years" has a lot to do with the fact that it is MADE in the U.S and has done since 1988.
As for Dyson, the other brands are no better - Bissell, Hoover and established brands all try to copy each other in terms of advertising and claims. All of them are patronising in some form of another, trying to snatch sales or interest from their rivals. It has continued well before the age of Dyson with plenty of brands advertising videos/ads.
I see nothing wrong in that ad. I'm not a fan of Dyson I've owned FOUR models and I doubt I would own a Dyson again. Im not against bagless - I adored my Black and Decker cordless dust buster and would use one of them as opposed to a dustpan and brush!
It is interesting that someone has mentioned Filter Queen as a bagless alternative - yes, a direct one if the ad was a Dyson bagless cylinder - but do FQ make water filter uprights?
As for Dyson, the other brands are no better - Bissell, Hoover and established brands all try to copy each other in terms of advertising and claims. All of them are patronising in some form of another, trying to snatch sales or interest from their rivals. It has continued well before the age of Dyson with plenty of brands advertising videos/ads.
I see nothing wrong in that ad. I'm not a fan of Dyson I've owned FOUR models and I doubt I would own a Dyson again. Im not against bagless - I adored my Black and Decker cordless dust buster and would use one of them as opposed to a dustpan and brush!
It is interesting that someone has mentioned Filter Queen as a bagless alternative - yes, a direct one if the ad was a Dyson bagless cylinder - but do FQ make water filter uprights?
rolls_rapide
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I've had several Dyson models over the years.
Whilst they do work reasonably fine on medium-to-low pile carpeting, they are not very good on the longer piles. Suction power is okay on some of the machines; poor on others. I had a DC11 which was always lacking in that department, especially for a cylinder machine.
I also found Dysons, whether upright or cylinder, so incredibly irritating in their clunkiness and clumsiness. Definitely no elegance in their execution. I prefer the hoses and tools of UK Hoover and UK Electrolux machines of the 1980s and 1990s.
Whilst they do work reasonably fine on medium-to-low pile carpeting, they are not very good on the longer piles. Suction power is okay on some of the machines; poor on others. I had a DC11 which was always lacking in that department, especially for a cylinder machine.
I also found Dysons, whether upright or cylinder, so incredibly irritating in their clunkiness and clumsiness. Definitely no elegance in their execution. I prefer the hoses and tools of UK Hoover and UK Electrolux machines of the 1980s and 1990s.
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