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Marty,
That blue Hoover from Wal-Mart now lives in San Diego with my friend Jason Klein. Jason lived with me from July til early November when he accepted a job at a Lutheran church out there. He originally wanted my hot-rodded 1070 Convertible, but I am much too attached to it to part with it! I have seen the green Best-Buy version, as well as a red model in bag and bagless versions available from Hoover Service centers. Those cleaners are made by Samsing, and are pretty good performers. Wal-Mart here is now selling them for $52.88 everyday.

Re: your relative with the too heavy Kirby. When my mom retired her model 33 Convertible a few years ago she tried an Oreck and sent it back because she hated the noise and the way it didn't clean. I bought her a plain Hoover Soft-n-Light Elite and she loves that. As the ELites are no longer available(except in commercial form) have her check out the Sanitaire Blue line model S634. Its lightweight, well made, and will clean very well.

Also want to take this time to wish everyone a safe and Happy New Year!

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 15:55:01 (MST)

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Middle of the night and i can't sleep ,got a tooth ache and an ear ache. Going to chat about vacuums to keep me preoccupied:

Jeff Parker,

Remember that blue and grey Hoover upright that you brought to the convention? It looked like a Kenmore or a Panasonic, clean air design? You put a red Hoover logo on the bag door to dress it up a little. You bought it at Wal Mart. Since that time i've been checking at Wal mart fom time to time and no Hoover. Well it has FINALLY shown up here on the west coast at Best Buy! I came across it while Christmas shopping so i bought one. This Hoover is called a "Spirit". Sound familiar? It's also in that guacamole green that Hoover is so fond of. I decided to dress mine up too only i put daisy stickers and later added some lady bug stickers!! I think it looks cool now! I now call it the "Big Girl" Hoover! (well it is Palm Springs!) At least it does a great job on the carpets!

Stick vacs:

My Aunt was telling me at Christmas how she hates using her year old Kirby Ultimate G. Her complaints being that is it too heavy, the attachments are too hard to attach. My Aunt is only in her 60's but she has had hip replacment surgery, knee surgery in the past so she does not want to get on the ground to take the nozzle off and attach the hose. She has tile throughout the house and carpet in the bedrooms and the living room. She was thinking about getting an Oreck!! Aghhhh!!!!! I told her don't get an oreck!!

Well i looked around for a stick vac that she could use on the tile because in talking with my Aunt the tile was what she really wanted to keep clean daily. Is EuroPro/Shark invading the market or what? What is all that? I finally settled in this blue Eureka EZ Kleen stick vac. It has great suction, though i dont think a stick vac needs to have 12 amps, please! It's light enough for my Aunt to pick up, it is the right height for her and she can go from the floor to the rug easily to spot clean my Uncle's crumbs around the sofa and coffee table. Although I'm not a bagless fan myself, my aunt likes that she can see what she's picking up and can empty it herself! Hmmm, maybe she should get rid of the Kirby and get a Dyson! i'll see her on New Years so i'll see if she still likes it.

Speaking of Dyson, I was at Sears ( looking for a Stick vac) and saw the DC14! What a beautiful machine!!! I want one! once i pay off Christmas expenses, i think i'm gonna get one. I like the improved hose/handle set up and the new turbo tool! That clear purple is pretty! Soon!

okay i' think i'll head to bed, enough rambling!

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 04:38:21 (MST)

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Hey Marty,

To expand on what Fred offered up earlier on the Kirby brush roller: That little light is powered by a small magnet in one end of the brush roll. There is another in the nozzle where the light is located, and the rapidly spinning magnet makes the light glow.

When you go for a new brush, check the ends carefully, the end with the magnet embedded will not be perfectly round, but have a little bump in it.

Hope this helps!

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, December 29, 2004 at 12:50:45 (MST)

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Hi Fred, thanks for the response to my question. I think what i have here is a bojack brush roll. It's black and the ends are plastic, one end white, the other black. It does not look like the usual kirby style. I'll have to go to the kirby Dealer out of town and see what they have.

Charlie W.

I think Lux made those "b" models along side the Olympia One and the Silverado Deluxe at the end of the Model L's run for those who didn't want to spend the bucks for the bigger machines. Someone correct me if i'm wrong. But they didn't make that many of them i don't think. I think you should keep it for posterity. After all, how many people bought and kept their Electrolux model 20's?

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, CA USA - Wednesday, December 29, 2004 at 11:18:09 (MST)

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Can anyone explain to me the main differences between the Silverado Deluxe and the "B" model? Is the motor smaller, drawing less amps? I realize that there is no "Automatic Control" to regulate suction with the type of dirt you are vacuuming, the cord wraps on a halo and there is no metal trim.

However, the hose appears to be the same, all tools are the same, the rug/floor flip over tool is the same, the power nozzle, sheath and wands are the same and the body of the machine is nearly the same.

Am I missing something here? The motor uses 7.7 amps without the p/n. Did the deluxe have a bigger draw and would it have made that much difference?

The "B" machine is kind of a novelty. I've only seen a few and can't decide whether to keep it not.

Happy New Year to all!

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte, USA - Wednesday, December 29, 2004 at 07:28:09 (MST)

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Hey Marty - In order for the light to work, the brush roll must have a metal strip on the end that generates an electrical current to operate the light. If the brush roll does not have the metal strip, the light won't work. Sounds like that is what your problem is.

Fred

Fred Nelson fnelson487@aol.com
St. Charles, Il USA - Tuesday, December 28, 2004 at 07:40:27 (MST)

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Hi All, Happy Holidays to all of you!!!

I have a Kirby question. I replaced the brush roll on my Aunt's HeritageII. The brush roll was bought at a vac shop here in the desert. When i put it on and turned on the vacuum the little green light on the nozzle did not go on. Do these lights wear out after time. How do they work? Does the brush roll need to have metal ends? I think i bought a bojack brushroll because one of the ends is white and the other is black. I'm thinking it's not a genuine Kirby brushroll. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Tuesday, December 28, 2004 at 00:06:45 (MST)

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Well Guys! - That Westinghouse Big Wheels is back. It seems that there were many bid retractions. Starting out at $44.95. Let's see where it goes!

Fred

Fred Nelson fnelson487@aol.com
St. Charles, Il USA - Monday, December 27, 2004 at 19:21:23 (MST)

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I definately got a vacuum i have been dreaming of for a while....a Sanitaire SC886. I also got this very old pump vacuum, it says U-S-E Vacuum Cleaner on it.

Reggie Ridlen compactc9@yahoo.com
parker, Co USA - Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 21:33:56 (MST)

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Merry Christmas Everyone!

Received my Christmas wish... we woke up to a nice covering of snow. First time we have had a White Christmas in about 5 years!! We live in WI,,, were supposed to have snow..

Morgan T. Frazer Frazermt@hotmail.com
Benton, WI USA - Saturday, December 25, 2004 at 08:14:18 (MST)

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Check out my G3 holiday greeting:

http://www.goodfirm.com/Greetings/markg3Holiday.jpg

Y'all take care.

mark goodall mgoodall@goodfirm.com
Omaha, USA - Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 10:12:23 (MST)

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I just wanted to also extend my wish to everyone here. Have a very warm and Happy Holiday Season. May Santa bring each of you the vacuum that you have been dreaming of. Terry

Terry Lattz vg703@sbcglobal.net
Danville, Il USA - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 22:44:05 (MST)

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Got a early present for myself last week a Hoover model 115 that i have looked for yrs to find not in bad shape just in need of a belt

happy holidays to all my dear friends

ron

ron d jones roadmaster39@hotmail.com
USA - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 21:42:13 (MST)

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Dear Members:

Just a HO! HO! HO! Merry Christmas to all of you during this holiday season! Best of health and happiness in 2005.

Ken

Ken Wagman kaw6657@aol.com
Capron, IL USA - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 20:01:47 (MST)

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Re my wish list, I would be willing to trade for stuff. Only problem is, I rarely find anyone who wants the stuff I have b/c my collection is so limited in scope -- 99% Electrolux and Kirby. But I'm always willing to negotiate. I wish I had an unlimited bank account so I can just wave wads of money at everyone and get what I want THAT way ....... maybe in another lifetime.......

Meanwhile, this WISH LIST is, I realize, by and large mostly just a lot of WISHFUL THINKING! Especially with some of the really rare stuff like the Haley's Comet Rug Tool!!

But it's fun to dream, and who knows ... I have often told the story of how, when I was a 7-year-old kid, I had a bedroom with an enormous room-length closet, and about 8 ft. deep. I turned that closet into an "inner sanctum" - a space that everyone knew they'd BETTER KEEP OUT of!! And everyone did, pretty much, except my nosey father who had a "snooping fetish."

Anyway, I had my clothes in there of course, but also some favorite books and coloring stuff, an old wooden school desk and seat...

AND my little hand-made Electrolux that I fashioned from an empty plastic bleach jug, with a roller-skate for wheels, twine for cord, the old hose from my mom's AE when she got a new hose, wands and floor nozzle of cardboard tubes, even a floor polisher attachment made of a loop of coat hanger with a cloth wrapped around it! It was quite a detailed rig for a little kid, even the front cover hinged open where I could insert a "dirt bag" made of a paper lunch bag with a cardboard top scotch-taped to it!

Well, I used to sit in there and think to myself, "I wish I had one of every model Electrolux ever made!" And I could just envision them all lined up there in rows, all laid out and displayed.

Well, now, "a few" years later, I do have just that ... a complete collection of the first 50 years of American Electrolux tank cleaners! So I am patient, and ... one brush, tool, hose and odd cleaner at a time, along with much combing of eBay, surprises from friends, and, yes, some trading, I have in the past few years actually cut my list down by about half! So maybe there IS hope after all!

('course, what I still don't have is suitable space to do justice to my collection ----- I really would love to live in one of those funky old downtown artist lofts where you just have a huge, open space ... but at L.A. rental rates, those places are HIGH DOLLAR, lemme tell ya!

Anyway, I too wish everyone a "Merry/Happy Whatever" and a Blessed, Prosperous NEW YEAR!!

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 02:35:18 (MST)

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Santa left a Hoover under my tree yesterday. My roomate Kevin had gone to visit his family out in Galesburg, and on his way back to Roselle yesterday he said he stopped at several antique malls to browse. At one he spotted "a really old looking Hoover" and grabbed it.

So sitting next to my tree is a Hoover special model 541, rebuilt in 1939, complete with tools!

Pretty cool!

Happy Holidays to all!

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 10:41:11 (MST)

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Hi To All:

Just wanted to wish each and everyone One A very Joyious and Happy Merry Christmas and A Very Great HAppy New Year

Skip...

PS: HAPPY VACUUMING

SkipAultman Skip4ula@aol.com
Lafayette, La USA - Sunday, December 19, 2004 at 18:06:17 (MST)

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Dear Charlie L,

By "wish list", do you mean you are looking for gifts of these vacs or purchase or trade or what?

I am happy to report, that I am getting my "Holy Grail" of vacs, a mint, 2 motor Air-Way, everything working, (and ORIGINAL!), and it looks like it jumped out of the box only yesterday. Now that excites me! (I know, I'm easily excitable)

The only other heavy duty, "wish list", vacs are several Hoovers that Tom Gasko has in his collection. When I was at his home, about 2 years ago, he asked me, (after showing me hundreds of vacs), which do you like the best? It was his Hoover 725, 750 and 800---ALL mint and in beautiful working order.

Of course Hans Craig has an Apex Strato-something and an Apex swivel handle upright, both quite fabulous...........................maybe in another lifetime.

Happy Festivus to all.

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte, USA - Sunday, December 19, 2004 at 16:53:40 (MST)

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Oops, forgot one thing ... I also would like an original Hoover Constellation 82 flex-hose, preferably the earliest version with the dark blue neck instead of the lighter-blue one but either will do. Thx!

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, December 17, 2004 at 16:33:00 (MST)

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Well, since Santa's about ready to pack his bag and head out from the North Pole, I thought I'd post my "Sweeper Wish List" here in case he's reading it. Note to Santa: I have NOT been naughty this year ... I have been VERY NICE!!!

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C H A R L I E L E S T E R ' S
V A C U U M C L E A N E R
W I S H L I S T

Revised 12/17/04

ELECTROLUX

Cleaners:

(in great condition and complete with original parts and attachments -- I do have a model XX, but only in fair condition)

- Model XX ("20"), 1947

- LUX Model 1, 1911 (Sweden)

- Model VI, VII etc. - European variations of the V

- Diamond Jubilee 75th anniversary model [I =THINK= one of Santa's Helpers already has one for me!]

Electrolux Floor Polishers & Accessories:

- B-7 electric polisher, grey and white, 1958 -- need wax dispenser set-up only (or a complete unit if it's in really superb condition)

- Shampoo setup for the first B-8 electric polisher/shampooer. The shampoo tank is turquoise with gold starbursts.

- Turquoise rubber bumper for B-7/early B-8

Electrolux Hoses (in ***excellent*** condition only):

- XX ("20") ...?? Dunno what it looks like...! I have also been told it had the same hose as the 1948 XXX but who knows?!

- 15-foot "commercial" XXX - grey cloth with white and dark grey criss-cross pattern

- 15-foot "commercial" LX - grey cloth with blue "arrow" pattern

- AF - White vinyl with grey & blue stripes in pairs close together, large grey plastic suction valve

- S - Eggshell blue vinyl with off-white stripes, or off-white arrows

- Turquoise G - Light turquoise vinyl with white AND dark turquoise stripes --- with or without electric power nozzle cable

- Turquoise G - extra-long turquoise-G hose (10-11 ft?)

- Bronze G - white vinyl with gold stripes --- with off-white or tan electric power nozzle cable

- 1205 - extra-long "commercial" braided non-elec. (dark turquoise with white stripes) (15 ft??)

- Golden Jubilee electric hose (white w/ blue and gold stripes)

- Gold L standard OR pigtail hose (gold w/ blue and white stripes)

Electrolux Attachments:

I have models XX and T, but need complete attachment sets for them.

Any removable cord winders in exc. condition -- chrome, blue, grey, or white, as long as they still have the original Belden cord & plug.

- Model L, Gold, 1975 -- need cord winder

- Model L, Turquoise, 1969 -- need cord winder

- Model L, Light Tan, 1967 -- need cord winder

- Model L, White, 1963 -- need cord winder

Any old or odd nozzles or attachments --- metal, bakelite, plastic etc. Unusual stuff such as extra-long hoses, extra-wide floor/rug nozzles etc. Would love to find an E/AEcombination floor tool that is 1.5x longer than normal; was a special commercial attachment.

Power nozzle for the AF/R ---- the first version had a gray handle & motor housing and white bumper. 2nd version had an off-white handle & gray motor housing, with grey [not blue] rubber bumper. Both have long cord that attaches to hose with plastic clips.

CANADIAN ELECTROLUX

ZB54 hose - like LX hose but w/ Canadian ends; instruction manual

ZB55 - the late "blue" version, complete

Z/ZB5# series accessories - chrome-plated automatic cord winder; halo-type "manual" cord winder; "Companion" tool caddy; Metal machine-end hose couplers; any of the unusual or extra accessories -- commercial nozzles, etc.

KIRBY

Bags -- Any grey or black Kirby dust-bags with the large Kirby logo in a circle on the front. ESPECIALLY want 514/515 bag, the one where the "K" and "Y" of the Kirby name meet in a long point down the front of the bag: There were two versions of this bag, one with a smooth gray surface and one with a textured surface like the 561 etc. bags. I am particularly looking for the textured type.

Cords -- Black or Grey with big thick round female connector; or grey with red male & flat female connectors

Attachments -- 3-ft-long crevice tool; made of ribbed grey plastic

Other -- Dual 50 Rug Renovator & Handi-Butler in mint cond, original boxes

Also any printed literature / sales / instructions etc. D50-earlier

OTHER MACHINES - as complete / original as possible

Purple Air-Way model 55

Airway Model 77 (dark green w/ domed swivel-top)

Eureka Golden Crown Super Roto-Matic Canister

Bison upright, complete - the green model

Canadian Hoover 350 or 375 (uprights)

(U.S.) Hoover Model 69

Atlas canister - red & gray

White and emerald-green Lewyt "big-wheel" canister with gold-colored wands & attachments

Attachments for Lewyt 55 in exc. shape - bare floor nozzle, filters, optional equipment (hose hanger, floor duster, white dusting brushes, hair dryer, dolly-platform, etc.)

Any "over-the-top" 40s-50s turquoise machines

Any beautiful "atomic bomb" or "space-ship" tank or canister cleaners from the 1930s-50s except Hoover Constellations.

OTHER FLOOR POLISHERS

Johnson Wax commercial floor scrubbers

Hammertone blue or gray Johnson Wax electric floor polisher

Other '50s-'60s Johnson Wax - type floor polishers (w/ single large brush)

Very old (early 1930s) air-powered floor polisher by EUREKA. It looks like a chrome flying saucer, with a glass window on the top where you can see the turbine blades spinning.

12- or 13" commercial polishers - Clarke FM-13 etc.

MISCELLANY

Large, flat rug nozzle for the Haley's Comet cleaner. Also, whatever other attachments came with it besides hose, bare floor nozzle, and wands. Also literature.

Any paperwork 1960-earlier for Electrolux or Kirby -- instruction manuals, advertising, pamphlets, original boxes/ cartons, photos, factory newsletters, etc etc etc

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, December 17, 2004 at 16:21:28 (MST)

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Fred gave me a Rainbow D-2 at the last convention, and I have grown to like it. I do not have any attachments for it, so I have been using Electrolux tools on it. I could use some attachments and would also like a power nozzle for it. I would also like to buy another D-2 with attachments for show purposes (of course, I would like it to work properly, as well). Thanks for any help. I hope everyone in the club has a good holiday season.

John Ziegenhagen

John Ziegenhagen ziegenja@yahoo.com
Fairborn, OH USA - Friday, December 17, 2004 at 14:16:29 (MST)

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Ron Jones, I have some DVC brand bags that will fit that Challenger! I will send them to you! Marty

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Thursday, December 16, 2004 at 21:03:20 (MST)

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HELP,

I gota sunbeam challenger on ebay fro myself for christmas, now does anyone have any bags for one they r willing to sell

merry christmas to one and all

ron

ron d jones roadmaster39@hotmail.com
USA - Thursday, December 16, 2004 at 20:59:39 (MST)

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WestingHouse Big Wheel on eBay closed @ $1,324.99

If I only had a few of these machines NIB, I could retire early. Not a bad return for an investment of $44.95 or less. Now when I am asked why I collect old vacuums I have a good point of reference.

Happy Holidays to all!

Kyle J Mathews KJMATHEWS_2000@YAHOO.COM
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, December 12, 2004 at 11:22:39 (MST)

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I just got home and looked at the westinghouse out on ebay,,and noticed that it had dropped back to 465.00. Making me wonder if someone got "cold feet" or did an accidental bidding. But still! Makes me feel very well about the machines I do have. And I have Marty Rocha and some of the Vacuum cleaner club members to thank for my ever growing collection.If you ever see Martys collection,,it will give you a sudden urge to go on a vacuum hunting mission!

Victor Lee VLeeTx@aol.com
Cathedral city, CA USA - Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 23:36:19 (MST)

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To Charlie Lester:

I love what you've done with our club Website. The updates are wonderful. I love the Stan Kann link (today is his birthday by the way - 12/9/04) and plan to show him our club website on Sunday when he and I have a visit.

Regarding the Westinghouse cleaner on eBay: I have a hard time believing anyone would pay that much for such a terrible vacuum cleaner. Having had the opportunity to actually work on the motor of several Westinghouse MobileAire 'speed' cleaners (their version of the Big Wheel), I can't imagine how the one on eBay lasted all these years, as poor as it was at filtration. Every one I ever saw had a filthy motor from the bag bursting and poor seals. I thought of them as a Joke, and here's one on eBay going for over a thousand dollars. I wonder how much it would be worth if it actually worked properly? There are several club members who own one already - Jimmy Martin has two of them and he had no idea they were worth any particular amount of money.

Again, I love what you've done with the website. I have pictures of the club's Dyson vacuum for you (will mail them in CD format) that was given by James Dyson to our club three years ago. I'll also write a short 'story' about how we (the VCCC) came to get our club's Commemorative Edition Electrolux (Mike Fuller of Electrolux presented it to me because I kept asking him for one at the Factory tour).

tom gasko
USA - Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 11:33:01 (MST)

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To the person who posted the "news flash" about the Westinghouse vac on eBay -- you did not put your name and email address on your posting, which are required for this list. Please be so kind as to post a subsequent message that gives us this information. NO ANONYMOUS POSTINGS --- users are reminded to please READ THE GUIDELINES. Thank you for helping us maintain a trouble-free forum.

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 03:04:39 (MST)

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Good Grief!!!! Now i know the world is going to hell!!! Let's hope for the seller that the buyer is able to afford that much money for a 40 something year old vacuum cleaner!

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 01:28:06 (MST)

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Vintage WestingHouse Big Wheel Vacuum Cleaner

In Hassock Storage Box!George Jetson-esque Restro !

Went for $1300.00 On ebay December 9, 2004

Go Check the Auction now here is

Paste here is :

Http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4342105964&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT

eBay #4342105964
USA - Wednesday, December 08, 2004 at 19:06:35 (MST)

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Thanks to everyone who has sent me their best wishes on my new store. And an especially big thank you (can't thank him enough!) to fellow VCCC member Jimmy Martin, who spent four consecutive weekends prior to Thanksgiving, helping me with the move, the sorting, and the arranging in the new store. When I moved to NC in 1997 on the recommendation of VCCC member Hans Craig, who has lived here all his life, I figured it would be my last move. Then in 2002, my dear partner Dennis Cox died, leaving me to run the business alone. I couldn't believe it when I learned that the restaurant next door to me, which owned the building, wanted to expand into my section, thus forcing me to move. Kind of overwhelming. Anyway, I've ended up with a much nicer, larger, better laid-out store, with better parking for my customers. Business is already booming in the 3 weeks I've been in the new location. And, again, I couldn't have done it without Jimmy's help. This good guy truly receives a pat on the back.

My new physical location is 161 Hickman Ave., Hudson, NC 28638 (e 1/2 miles south of the old location in the Whitnel section of Lenoir)

The new mailing address is P.O. Box 951, Hudson, NC 28638, and the new phone number is 828-728-9800. The toll-free number remains unchanged at 1-877-635-5415, and both phone numbers are forwarded to me wherever and whenever. I'd love to hear from my fellow club members and to have you visit my new digs. And, again, can't thank Jimmy enough.

Clay Floyd CBFloyd4@aol.com
Hudson, NC USA - Tuesday, December 07, 2004 at 14:36:04 (MST)

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"BUT WAIT ... THERE'S MORE!!!"

I have added some stuff to the "Members Only" page -- a list of the Club Officers, Board Members, and Humble Servants, with email addresses, so that those who may want to contact these folks will have easy access to them.

Fret not about these email addresses getting out on the WWW --- that page page is concealed on three different levels - password-protected; excluded from search engine logging; and excluded from automated robot spidering.

I have also added a few pages of various articles about the Club that have appeared in the media. If you know of additional links like these, or you have print articles you can scan and email to me, I'll gladly add them to this section.

Then, I have added a chronological list of all the annual conventions onto the "Club History" page. Thanks to R. J. Vanik and Clay Floyd for providing this information to me. If you would like to add comments to this list, please email them to me. (And, again, PLEASE SEND JPEGs of the meetings!!)

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, December 07, 2004 at 01:12:34 (MST)

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Does anyone have any photos from the really early days of the club, e.g., before the 1991 "re-vivication" ? It would be great to have some of this type of archival material to enhance the club history page.

I would also like to add photos, as available, from past conventions to the members only pages. I do have a s#!tload of photos from the 2003 Convention -- I just have to sit down and sift through them. I would like to have photos from other conventions if people have them. JPGs only please, either mailed on a CD or emailed in a zip or stuffit file -- I can't sit here and scan in a zillion photos!!

Also, I know there is at least one, and maybe a couple, "official club vacuum cleaners." I'd like to put photos and descriptions of those on the Members Only page so again, whoever has the machine(s), could you please email me some photos and descriptions. Thanks.

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 22:33:52 (MST)

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I have finally brought the web site up to date, yes, six months overdue. VERY VERY VERY SORRY for the delays but ..."life is in session."

Nearly every page has had something added to it; and this forum has been fixed - all the image glitches and stray characters have been addressed and the old postings archived off, to a total now of TWENTY-ONE web pages of archived emails!

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 15:14:50 (MST)

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PS--Charlie Lester, would PLEASE update the home page and remove my picture and text since I have not been the President for SIX months. Thanks.

Charlie Watrous todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte, USA - Sunday, December 05, 2004 at 09:41:25 (MST)

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Dear Members and Friends,

Yesterday I notified Board and Administration that I am resigning my position as a Board Member.

I am resigning for personal reasons that are not open to discussion. It is my hope that the Board will find another member that can perhaps serve you better.

If anyone is interested, please contact President R. J. Vanik or Vice President Jeff Parker.

Best wishes for the holiday season.

Charlei Watrous todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte, USA - Sunday, December 05, 2004 at 09:39:37 (MST)

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its been another throw your cleaner to the curb week here in NC picked up a Eureka bagless, Hoover windtunnel mach 6 Hoover celebrity canister, all with minor problems , clogs or belts. looks like people have more money than sense these days HAppy Holidays to all my friends

ron

ron d jones roadmaster39@hotmail.com
USA - Sunday, December 05, 2004 at 09:07:39 (MST)

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******* W A R N I N G *******

This is off-topic but bears bringing to members' attention.

If you get email from eBay, PayPal, your bank, some other bank, your Credit Union, or ANY similar commerce bureau saying something like "your account has been suspended because of invalid credit info," "we are updating our records, please reply with your current info," "your credit card has expired please provide a new one" or ANY kind of email like this asking for ANY kind of personal info or data, DO NOT REPLY TO IT!!!!

This is a VERY widespread scam called "spoofing" or "phishing." Yes, it is tempting to reply. I should know. I was one of the first victims a couple of years to fall for it. WHAT A MESS. I had to cancel all my credit and debit card and get new ones; had to change all my passwords; and had to have monitors placed on all my online accounts to make sure there was no unauthorized activity.

Most bureaus have a way of reporting these. in the case of eBay and PayPal, you should forward the messages to "spoof@ebay.com" and "spoof@paypal.com" respectively. In the case of banks and other financial institutions or utility companys, call their customer service department.

Repeat: THESE ARE NOT LEGITIMATE EMAILS. ***NO*** COMPANY WILL EMAIL YOU AND ASK FOR YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION!!!!!!!

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, California USA - Saturday, December 04, 2004 at 23:42:38 (MST)

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To Tom Gasko:

Got the Airway Mark V with the Eureka power nozzle. Cleaned and polished it. What a beast! All the good qualities of the Airway. Most unusual. With that big Eureka, you need a lot of room to use it. Won't be a daily driver but definitely worth it for the rareness and collection value.

Getting it caused me to get out the Centurion. Now that is definitely a daily driver. As you will recall when I first purchased it, my housekeeper in LA used it over all the others. My house is vacuumed regularly and I am amazed at how much dirt is picked up. What do you recommend as far as a filter configuration? I have heard that some people prefer the 14 layer bags over the 28 layer and not all the filters for better performance. Your thoughts? I ordered the Air-Tec tools. The configuration of the wands will allow me to use the original Airway aluminum tools (now manufactured by Air-Tec) with the new electric hose. The color even matches! Being a standard setup, I can also swap out the power nozzle. I have tried the Stealth, which I believe is a Lindhaus electronic and also the Eureka Express. Both excellent units and slightly more maneuverable than the Hayden. I still have a great appreciation for that machine. It seems that the Sanitizor might be a dying breed and may buy another one new just to save for posterity.

Fred Nelson fnelson487@aol.com
St. Charles, Il USA - Saturday, December 04, 2004 at 10:28:02 (MST)

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Hello, pls disregard my comments in my previous post about the planning that's being done for the 2005 Convention. Further off-line discussions about this have satisfied me that my apprehensions were premature and mis-informed. Sorry for any misunderstanding--

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 23:32:38 (MST)

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Thanks to all for the various kind comments, etc., and may I add my wishes that everyone had a blessed and Happy Thanksgiving.

I am truly sorry that the Forum is so goofed up and long overdue for archiving but breaking it up into monthly chunks is very tedious work; and then having to do a hasty exorcism of an intruder's posting really screwed things up. I will get this taken care of; I promise ....... I just have to finish up a couple of big income-generating sites for clients and then I will have some free time.

In other news, I am really looking forward to the upcoming convention in L.A. It's been far too long since I was able to attend one and it will be great to finally meet all the new memebrs. It just kinda surprised and disappointed me when I found out that apparently plans for the Convention are being made by people NOT in L.A., "on our behalf" and without our input. It would seem that those who are going to be playing host should have at least some input on this especially with regard to venues and schedules. Just my little 2�' worth...

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 23:51:24 (MST)

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Hi To All:

I'm just so excited I just had to let you all know that I just won my second Gold plated Kirby, this one is the 1981 Kirby Gold council winner , which is the Kirby Tradition.

I really wanted this one the first time I saw it but knew I couldn't afford it, the seller kept relisting it so when he brought the opening bid low enough I took advantage of it and was lucky enough to max my bid high enough to win it.

My hertiage II gold plated is awsome so now I can't wait to get this one in.

Well now I have 2 of them in my collection So that is an accomplishment to me

Happy vacuuming

Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 20:00:42 (MST)

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Ron,

Did you try changing the filter in the top, the batting one? That might help, but you might also need yo take the whole thing apart and clean it.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 18:05:36 (MST)

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Morgan,

When it finally stopped snowing on Wednesday night, we had about 3.5 inches of snow, and some pretty icy roads. My normal 8 mile drive home from work took close to an hour...

The only entertainment I got from it was watching Jack roll in it...

You can have it all... I hate snow and cold!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, November 26, 2004 at 06:45:11 (MST)

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Filter Queen, got a problem with a FG princess of my cousins she used it for yrs to pick up pet hair and cant get rid of the scent any suggestions on a fix

Ron

ron d jones
USA - Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 21:33:29 (MST)

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Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

I just want to give a special thanks to all our officers and board members that make this club what it is. And to all the members that add to the excitement. Also lets not forget Charlie Lester who keeps making it possible for us to communicate easily with this Web Site.

Jeff,

If there is to much snow in Chicago you can send some up our way.

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton , WI USA - Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 06:47:18 (MST)

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Hi To All:

I just want to wish each and everyone of you'll and your Families a very Happy Thanksgiving.

To Tom:

Thanks Tom I really appreicate it, You make me feel great And I love you'll too

HAPPY THANKSGIVING

Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 19:17:37 (MST)

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Its snowing like crazy in Chicago this evening, winter is definately here....

I hope everyone has a safe and happy thanksgiving!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 16:07:01 (MST)

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To Charlie Lester:

Thank you so much for sending me your wonderful Cobbler recipe. I'm making it for Thanksgiving. You really MUST think about starting a VCCC cookbook. I'd buy one, for sure.

tom g.
USA - Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 10:42:52 (MST)

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I want to wish everyone here a VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 21:35:36 (MST)

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Dear Members,

I would like to say best wishes for a safe, happy and eventful Thanksgiving Holiday.

You folks are the best and for those of you I've met, I'm grateful. I hope to continue meeting more of you in the future and let's always continue to remember this club is about people and vacuums and vacuums and people.

Best wishes and kindness to all,

Charlie W.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 19:26:36 (MST)

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Skip:

I've been talking to you for over a year now on the phone, and I thouqht you were a Cajun from Louisiana. This club is made up of all kinds of people, every type one could imagine. There are club members of all different religions, backgrounds, lifestyles, genders, etc. For example, I didn't know anyone who was Jewish before I joined the club. I now count several close friends who are Jewish and they've enriched my life. Don't sweat being a black man - we still love you. All colors are welcome in the club. Myself - I'm sometimes lavender and pink - but that's another story.

tom g.
USA - Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 06:57:59 (MST)

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Hello Again

I'm writing this time to set the record straight,I was Talking on the phone tonite With Tanya

We have been talking for about a year now on the phone. We were on the subject about Craig and I was telling Tanya that my hair is now Grey but I was a pure blonde before turning Grey.

This is cute and funny, Out of the blue she told me being I was a blonde that I must be a molatta( Black & white) I said Tanya what are you saying that I'm a black man and she said yes.

What happened is somebody in the club told her I am a black man, I want you'll to know that I'm a 100% white man in fact Pure German at that. To be honest I have never even heard of a black person fastinated with vacuums at that.

So I just wanted to set the record straight about my race.

I'm not racist at all but wanted to clear the air on this

Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Friday, November 19, 2004 at 22:35:11 (MST)

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To Robert:

When they filmed the vacuum cleaner edition of "Hey Remember" for HGTV (in my living room) we used my Atlas, which they incorrectly identified as a Fairfax on the show. Atlas was a private labeled Universal Jet 99. It was designed for sales in Sewing Machine stores, along with the Atlas sewing machine. There were three versions of the Atlas, the one you like is called the "eldorado" model. It had the disadvantage of not working properly so many of them were not used long. The suction only came through the bottom of the bag, not the sides, so dirt would fall to the bottom of the bag and that was it. Clogged up bag pores - no more suction. Pretty machine. It was private labeled for several companies (like Regina) as well as sold under the Universal name plate.

On many versions, the wheels were a dolly - an option. Late in the model run, wheels were added as a permanent feature.

To Skip:

You are very welcome for all the help. You are about the only person who loves Compact vacs more than me. I was happy to help you out with an ABC power nozzle. Friendship works both ways. You take the time to pick up the phone and call me, taking time to get to know me. That's all it takes. I'll share with people who take the time to get to know me.

I recently had an experience with someone who wanted a very rare part I had (for FREE) but couldn't be bothered to try to get to know me before buqging me for the part. I have never given him the part. I'll always share with people who make an effort to get to know me.

To Rick A:

You should have mentioned you needed Lewyt bags when you visited Sunday. I have several packs of the bags you need. I'll be glad to share with you.

tom g.
USA - Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 21:30:31 (MST)

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Hello everyone! I acquired a 60ish I think Shetland electric broom today in beautiful condition, 4amp motor, with great suction. I know I won't be able to find bags, so I cut off a Hoover C bag which might work temporarily, but I thought I'd check to see if anyone would have bags for this, it's an model 800 series. I'd like to give it to someone for a gift, but would like to have the appopriate bags for it. Tom and Chuck, I'll be checking with you guys. Chuck was kind enought to send me some Lewyt bags, and Tom G. has been a lifesaver for me and my vacs, as I do collect, however do not work on them. I have over 50 vacs, many of them from other collectors via ebay. I am looking forward to the convention coming to St. Louis so I am able to meet everyone, it seems like a great bunch of people to get to know. Thanks, and if you have bags for my Shetland, email me about cost and s/h.

Rick

Rick Asquith
St. Louis, mo USA - Tuesday, November 16, 2004 at 18:58:21 (MST)

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Hi To All:

I just had to tell You'll I just acquired a Gold Plated Kirby hertiage II from ebay. I'm very excited to add this Kirby to my collection.

I have to thank Evan for this because I didn't even see it. I was telling him on the phone about the Gold Tradition on ebay and He asked me if I saw the Hertiage and he sent it to me and I watched it and there were no bids so I bidded on it and won it.

Do any of you know where there might still be a Bison still brand New in the box some where The Bison Mark II ( green one). Please let me know if any of you know where one might be or let Evan know as this is one that he is trying to acquire.

TO Tom Gasko:

Thanks again for everything. You are truly amazing Tom, I don't know what I would do without you. THANKS AGAIN :)

To Mark And Floyd:

I really enjoyed talking on the phone with you guys this past week. I wil definately keep in touch with you'll

Happy Vacuuming

Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Monday, November 15, 2004 at 08:16:48 (MST)

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What can anyone tell me about an Atlas canister vacuum that is red and looks like a 1950s car with fins? I have never heard of this company. I saw one recently and I am curious about the company and this particular vacuum? What style of bags does it take? Where were they sold? Is this a private label brand? Please fill me in!

Robert Azar
Omaha, NE USA - Sunday, November 14, 2004 at 16:12:42 (MST)

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Hello all...

I'm in search of a combo dust/upholstery brush, crevice tool and flip floor tool for an Electrolux Automatic F. The tools are the two tone gray and cream color. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just drop me an email.

Thanks...

Matt Straub
Harrisburg, PA USA - Sunday, November 14, 2004 at 13:38:05 (MST)

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Hey Gang

I had the pleasure of a one owner Lux LX come my

way. I have no room for it, so would like one of

you to acquire it for $50.00 if you have an inte-

rest. I will pay $25.00 of the shipping if you

want it. The vacuum was purchased in Jan. 1953, I

have the receipt. All of the attachments are with

it, hose replaced in the 70's and matches in color. No instructions, sprayer or demother attach. Works fine.

Norm Brown

Norm Brown
Columbus, OH USA - Saturday, November 13, 2004 at 18:58:38 (MST)

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To Dan:

There were several styles of the plain wooden Hoover handle, like the handle for the Special (old style) which had a 'screw in' handle and the Special 102 (which had a hole in the bail for the post to go through and a but held the handle to the bail). Which type do you need. Have several in my collection, not doing anything but collecting dust.

tom gasko
park hills, mo. USA - Friday, November 12, 2004 at 16:43:49 (MST)

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My Dearest Chuck,

Whilst we are on the subject of eBay, I have say that I"ve been keeping an eye on all you were selling. I was absolutely flabbergasted at the fact that that beautiful and mint Sunbeam Challenger did not sell. That make no sense. Better luck second time around. If I had just one more closet in my NYC apartment I'd you send it to me overnight.

Best Wishes your friend

Michael
New York City, NY USA - Friday, November 12, 2004 at 09:45:49 (MST)

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I'll try it again-I'm still looking for an early wooden Hoover handle (to replace one lost in shipping). This early style does not have a metal cap on top. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Dan Brown
Spokane, WA USA - Friday, November 12, 2004 at 08:21:45 (MST)

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Hi, I have a bunch of old Kirby parts that I would like to get rid of.

They consist of about 6 motors(no nozzle, handle, cords, bags), some

motor bodies without the armatures(pre 516 models), handles,

attachments, etc. I would like someone to come and pick these up as

there is so much it would be very expensive to ship, more than it's

worth. The motor assemblies range from 516 - 562's I believe. I

also have a rebuilt Kirby circa 509-512, no nozzle that just needs

the bearings greased, but it does run. I'm offering all this for free. I'd rather they go to a

collector than in the trash so please contact me if you are

interested. I live in a suburb of Kansas City. My email address is chadinkc@yahoo.com.

Chad Cunningham
Overland Park, KS USA - Sunday, November 07, 2004 at 11:48:55 (MST)

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Guys.....

I have sat and watched as the endless whining about eBay continues, and I just don't get it!! It seems to be a major point of contention, yet only with a select few.It's an auction for heavens sake!

I have bid, and won.... I have bid, and lost, so be it. Everyone is "allowed" to bid as high, or as late in the auction as they deem necessary, so why is it that this upsets some of you? Sure we all want to win, and getting the item cheap is even better , but we all know those are rare times.

As to the amount of money people will spend, lets just say when I'm selling, the highest figure always makes me smile. AND if some of you were honest about it, you would have to say the same.... we all want top dollar!

I am a member of this club, on the board of directors, and a vacuum shop owner. The "vacuum owner" is a business person, I sell for a profit, I'm not doing it for the entertainment. A VERY succesful business friend of mine puts it best... "DON'T TAKE IT PERSONEL HONEY, IT'S JUST GOOD BUSINESS"

I am sure I said to much... OH WELL !!guess I'll go check the auctions I have listed.

Best.... Chuck

Chuck Chatham
Lock Haven, Pa USA - Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 17:14:32 (MST)

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P.S. Matt, how GREAT that you're planning to come to L.A. It will be wonderful to meet you in person after all this time.

Just so folks know, there are 12 club members in the Southern California area if you include the Inland Empire (about an hour's drive), San Diego (ditto) and Palm Springs/Coachella Valley (about 2 hrs). Then there are a couple of members a bit further up north in San Jose, San Francisco, Walnut Creek, etc. There are five of us right in Los Angeles proper (ok, no jokes here!). I =think= this is the largest concentration of members in any one geographical area, no?

So, besides the usual convention fare, you'll have quite a few collections to see. My "claim to fame" I guess is my Electrolux collection, a complete set of the first 50 years of American Electrolux tank machines.

Then I also have quite a few old Kirbys, all in original condition (though not buffed out and I likely will not have time to get to it, either), and then a few other odds and ends of obscure and rare things -- Kenmore Bug Eye, Haley's Comet, Singer R1, Ohio Tuec, and several very early uprights both straight suction and motor-driven.

Lewyt lovers, better bring along a "Heart Pill" before seeing my MINTY-MINT Lewyt 44 w/ Treasure Chest, frozen in time from the day it was purchased!

I don't have a whole lot of Hoovers but the few that I do have (early uprights mostly) are all original.

I also have a fairly extensive library of paper ephemera which will be available to see.

Other people can tell about their own collections.

Then of course, there's all the "Hollywood" stuff to do out here if people are interested -- Universal Studios, the Hollywood Walk of Fame (along with the Wax Museum, Ripley's Museum, El Capitan Theater, Graumans Chinese Theater, Egyptian Theater, are all in the same general vicinity).

We also have many museums, ranging from fine art (L.A. County Museum of Art) to prehistoric (Page Musuem), then the Museum of Miniatures, The Craft and Folk art Museum, the Asian branch of LACMA, and another excellent Asian museum in Pasadena, and the Petersen Automotive museum which is INCREDIBLE! Then there's the USC Museum of Science and Technology, and, wow, many others I am sure I am forgetting.

There are a gazillion great restaurants, every kind of fare imaginable and then some.

Also, Disneyland, Knotts Berry Farm, and Six Flags Magic Mountain are all fairly close by. The Griffith Observatory is, unfortunately, closed at present for renovation. I don't know if it will be reopened in time for our meeting or not. If so, it's also a MUST-DO tourist destination. Then there are guided tours of Hollywood, Beverly Hills, etc.

Those with a horticultural flair should visit the breathtakingly beautiful Arborteum in Pasadena and the Descanso Gardens in La Ca�ada.

Culturally speaking, there's the stunning new Disney Concert Hall, home of the L.A.Philharmonic; the Dorothy Chandler Pavillion, the Los Angeles Opera, and many other fine venues including USC and UCLA.

There's a HUGE flea market every second Sunday of every month at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena. As far as thrift shops go, L.A. is pretty much the same as everywhere else -- pickings are generally lean but there are many of them around, enough to make a day trip of it, and occasionally you do still find heart-stopping treasures!

And last but far from least, the BEACHES --- Santa Monica Beach is only about a 25-minute drive from my place; then there's the funky Venice Beach a little further south with all the colorful characters (many of them still recovering from flashbacks!) and its world-famous Muscle Beach; Malibu, Laguna, Redondo and Huntington Beaches all have unique and special things to offer.

The hard part, I think, will deciding what to do while you are here. Although, of course, vacuum cleaners being the focus, we will do all we can to keep you as entertained as possible in that area!

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CALIFORNIA United States - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 16:15:28 (MST)

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Per Matt Straub's post, I too, want to echo Tom's comments that it's not the sniping per se that some of us take issue with; it's when it gets chronic and compulsive ... and PERSONAL, as it did with me and a former member. Nuff said on it I guess; just didn't want to leave any lingering misgivings that I am 100% against sniping. It's a matter of extremes.

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CALIFORNIA United States - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 15:40:46 (MST)

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To Matt S.:

I personally have no feelings either way about sniping on eBay (as a 'seller' sniping is very good for me) - except for our infamous former club member; the notorious (and now Larger Than Life) 'sniper lady'. But she's a totally different subject entirely. Glad to hear you are going to try for the '05 meeting in L.A.

R.J. is going to go out of his way, I'm sure, to make the '05 meeting wonderful and certainly an afair to remember.

The '06 meeting in St. Louis should also prove to be wonderful. Stan Kann (the worlds first and foremost vacuum collector) and I have discussed possible events. I think it would be great fun to 'gang vacuum' the Fabulous Fox Theater in St. Louis with it's vintage 1928 Spencer. It's so powerful, 3 of us can vacuum with 3 different hoses at one time. Since Stan is the Fox's musical director, getting to visit the Fox and use the machine shouldn't prove to be a problem. Stan also has the premier vintage pre-war vacuum collection - certainly the most complete of any club member - so just being able to 'play' with his machines will be worth the trip for everyone. I see him every other Sunday and never tire of using his vacuums. He STARTED collecting in the 1930's. Hope to meet you in person in '06.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 21:27:16 (MST)

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Tom G.-

No, I haven't been to one of the conventions yet, but I'd really like to attend in '05. Although it will be quite a few miles from me, but I'm going to make every attempt to get there.

Like I mentioned in my previous post, I didn't want to get anybody "worked-up", but for me sniping is a good way to save a buck or two. It doesn't always work out, but it's worth a try to me instead of the usual step by step process of bidding back and forth on a typical auction.

It just seems like the snipers are always made out to be the bad guys.

Matt Straub
Harrisburg, PA USA - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 16:30:39 (MST)

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Two things:

1. Electro Hygiene - I was walking back to my office from lunch at a local diner when the guitar guy invited me into his shop to see an "Electro Hygiene" canister Model 210A, P.A. Geyer Co., Cleveland. I guessed it to be a pre-war from the thirties, but I am not a real vac guy. It looks like an ugly version of an XXX ??

2. Tom, thanks for the short course in sniping. It was the topic of dinner conversation with my tech-guy son. Take care.

mark goodall
Omaha, USA - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 07:32:24 (MST)

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To Matt S.

As I tried to point out in my answer to Mark G's question about what sniping is, not all snipers (and snipes) are bad. Only the extremes (like our 'sniper lady). As Charlie L. stated, there are times a bidder might feel it's necessary.

Just curious - have you been to a club convention? Don't remember meeting you, althouqh my recollection of people isn't what it used to be.

To Skip Aultman:

I have to thank club member Jimmy Martin for helping me sort out my collection. He unearthed the Bug Eye Kenmore a few weeks ago in the back of my store room. I wanted it to go to someone I liked - couldn't wish for a better home for it than yours. What goes around seems to come around - the day I sent you the Kenmore I received a gift of a Hoover Duster (my holy grail) from a fellow club member and good friend. He knew I was prepared to pay a small fortune for one and sent his to me free as an early Christmas present. It's a wonderful little thing and very rare so I consider myself blessed to have received it. Sending you the Imperial Kenmore Bug Eye was a way of 'paying it forward'. Enjoy the Kenmore my friend.

tom g.
USA - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 00:08:56 (MST)

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I see there has been quite a bit of talk on here concerning "sniping" on eBay. Not to beat a dead horse and certainly not to step on anyone's toes... but... that's how the game is played. Plain and simple! I tend to watch an auction to the very end and place my bid in the last few seconds as to avoid a bidding war. Whether the items are vacuum related or not. Broadband ISPs really comes in handy!!!

There aren't any money trees growing in my back yard unlike some of the fortunates on here, so I just play the game a little differently. However I DO NOT bid against recognized eBayers.

Those of you that feel the need to chastise the ones that practice this deed either need to stay away from eBay or just take it in stride.

I apologize in advance to the ones who will most likely get their "panties-in-a-bunch" over my posting.

Matt Straub
Harrisburg, PA USA - Wednesday, November 03, 2004 at 20:46:53 (MST)

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To Tom gasko:

Tom Thanks so much for the beautiful Kenmore Imperial Bugeye, As our Friend Tanya would say it's in pristine and Mint Condition.

I know you thought about listing it on ebay but Thanks so much for giving it to me for FREE. What a true friend you are. I wished there were more people like you.

If ever you ever need anything please let me know.

Tom you have really proven yourself to me what a fellow club member is all about. Like you say we are in this club to help our fellow club members and you sure have helped me numerious times for sure

Thanks Again

Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Wednesday, November 03, 2004 at 20:06:55 (MST)

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To Mark:

I forgot to mention that sniping can backfire on the sniper. The sniper has no idea what the high bidder's maximum bid was. We'll use the following example:

a Hoover ad, after a bidding war, shows a high bid of $20. The sniper really wants this rare ad - and has 'robobidder' bid his max of $100 at the last second - thinking he'll 'trump' the ad for $21. The previous high bidder's unshown max was $90 - so the sniper wins the auction for $91 - far more than the sniper expected. Many times, people who snipe and then are shocked by the actual winning bid - fail to pay.

Another problem is if the high bidder (who has a max. of $90) isn't outbid by the sniper. Ten seconds before the end, the showing high bid is $20. Sniper bids $89 at the last seconds - and high bidder (who thought he would win for $20) suddenly has to pay $90 for the ad because of the sniper.

These are reasons people can get really, really mad at snipers. Snipers say "it's an auction and this is America". There's no real answer - but you can see how friendships can be torn apart by eBay. This usually happens to auctions for rare items that many people highly desire.

tom g.
USA - Wednesday, November 03, 2004 at 07:19:18 (MST)

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To Mark Goodall:

Sniping is when an ebay user bids at the last seconds of an auction. This can be done manually, or through the use of a service (like Bidsniper.com).

What happens is this:

we'll use an example of an Air-Way Twin Motor upright. Let's say it's a 5 day auction and someone has bid it up to $200. The 'sniper' waits until the last few seconds and then outbids the high bidder. This prevents a bidding 'war', and the previous high bidder, who thinks he has all but won the item, it outbid at the last second. The 'sniper' MUST place a bid HIGH ENOUGH to overcome the previous high bidder's maximum bid. In our example, let's say the previous high bidder has bid it up to $200 with a maximum bid of $250. The sniper must bid approx. $300 as his high bid so that he can overcome the previous high bidder's maximum of $250, with the sniper winning the auction for $251.

This kind of thing makes a lot of people very mad at the sniper since they've had the high bid for sometimes days at a time and may have engaged in a bidding 'war' with someone else to become the high bidder.

Yes, by the way, Hand Cleaner refers to a hand held vacuum. Singer never made attachments for their cleaners for the first 20 years of manufacture, so if you bought a Singer R-1 for example, you would also buy a Singer Hand Cleaner for use above the floor.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Tuesday, November 02, 2004 at 10:35:12 (MST)

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I have been reading the posts. I am an infrequent ebay browser. At risk of sounding uninformed (or worse) --- what is sniping?

mark goodall
Omaha, USA - Tuesday, November 02, 2004 at 07:10:06 (MST)

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I was just given the following, in the original box: Sprayer for Model H-3 Singer Hand cleaner No. 964873.

Is a "Hand Cleaner" a hand held vac?

mark goodall
Omaha, USA - Tuesday, November 02, 2004 at 07:02:08 (MST)

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I was QUITE dismayed to discover that a non-member of the VCCC has made his way into this forum and posted a message, AGAINST Forum rules.

May I please remind everyone that per forum regulations and VCCC Board rules, the forum is ONLY open to "dues-paid members in good standing."

Please refer to this page:

http://www.vaccc.com/membersonly/forum.html

The fact that this person has managed to do so means that someone else has "shared" their username and password --- which also is CLEARLY against Club rules.

Folks, these guidelines were not put into place without good reason. PLEASE do not presume to break them.

If we find out who has shared their information with the unauthorized poster, their access to the site will be cut off. And if any more unauthorized posts issue, the Forum will be shut down until we can change the passwords and usernames.

Believe me, I do not want to do this. I do not have time to do this. It really pisses me off that I am having to once again play "the bad evil control issues queen" --- and I am sure the usual smart comments will ensue from those who REALLY have the control issues ... but are only interested in "controlling" from the sidelines and not really getting involved in things in a meaningful or helpful way.

But that's my job. Like it or not. If someone else wants to assume the (largely thankless) job of webmaster, and deal with all these "ISSUE-laden people," by all means, I'll be glad to pass the baton. From what I hear, people are complaining about the site not being updated anyway, and I don't blame them. It has not been updated. But that's not ENTIRELY my fault.

Anyway, end of rant. But I am just reminding everyone that I do have authority granted by the Board to pull the plug on this forum at the first blush of things getting out of hand, and believe me I WILL NOT hesitate to do so.

I have removed the unauthorized post and in doing so have noticed that some of the page code has gotten goofed up. Yes, I see all the little funny "Y" thingies all over the place but I can't stop to fix it now. It's a complicated issue related to HTML intrepretation incompatibilities between some web browser programs and some HTML authoring programs. Sorry, you'll just have to overlook the flotsam for the time being.

And now, back to my too-busy life.......

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Hello all,,

As I am new to the group, I thought I would send a message to say howdy, and thank you for letting me join your club I have quite a few vacuums, both here and in storage back in missouri. And am currently going over each machine to rebuild it, or bring it up to good condition. I have chatted with a few of the members online, and also go an a few "road trips" with my friend Marty,also a member (that guy can find anything!)Its very hard to name a favorite vacuum, as I saw many as I was growing up. I keep seeing vacuums on ebay and in thrift shops that I just cant leave alone,and I drag them home to the shop. Does this group ever post a sale and trade column? Thanks again! Victor

Victor Lee
Cathedral City, CA USA - Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 00:41:48 (MDT)

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Hello everyone-

I'm new to the forum and club so I thought I'd just drop a note...

I've been a collector and restorer for a while now, mostly Electrolux and a Hoover here and there. I know a few of you through email correspondence.

I enjoy reading the forum postings and taking in new information.

If there's anyone out there that has a model XXX suction reducer they would like to part with... or knows where I can find one... drop me an email.

Thanks much!

Matt Straub
Harrisburg, PA USA - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 21:27:53 (MDT)

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Fred Nelson,

I could not agree with you more, the Classic III is a beautiful machine, and is my favorite of that series. My Aunt Jan in Michigan had one new back about 1977, and I loved visiting her house and running that Kirby.

I'll be in touch sometime next week, once month-end is over at work. Its hard to believe its been a month since we were at your house for dinner!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 15:36:21 (MDT)

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P.S. - Regarding our new member Greg (a.k.a gansky1) - he is restoring a VERY RARE Maytag combination Washer/Dryer from the 60s I believe. This appears to be very similar to the one Lisa Douglas had in her kitchen in Green Acres. Alas, it is not pink, but perhaps the next best thing - yellow. He is doing a fabulous job of restoring it. No easy task, given the fact that parts are no longer available. Check it out on Classicappliances.com. That along with his Frigidaires and other great machines.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 13:37:08 (MDT)

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One ringy dingy . . . Gracious good afternoon Jeff. That Classic III is indeed correct. I have had both the earlier version you speak of and currently have the one shown in the auction. I do believe that I have seen that particular machine in person. You see that it is in Chicago? Give me a call and I will fill you in. Call me nuts, but that is one of my favorite Kirbys. The one I have was bought new up on Milwaukee Ave in 1976. Not used much and then sent back to factory for a $32.50 complete rebuild. I'll show it to you the next time you are here. They added the Legend II paper bag assembly. With the newer brush roll, all together, not a bad machine.

To Greg Nunn:

Welcome to the forum!! This forum does not see anywhere near the chat that the Classic Appliances forum sees, but then, it is locked down. Thanks for all your help with the KitchenAid KDI-14P. I still haven't got it to work, but was planning on it being a winter project. I bought the portable KitchenAid Electra from Chris in St. Louis. Had a leak, but I was able to fix it. He included a drain valve for the KDI-14, but it was a manual drain valve. When I finally get that valve off, I am hoping that with the manual valve, I will be able to get the pump valve to work, but, if not, may convert the machine to a manual drain. I appreciate all your help with it and may call upon you to help again. If you get to Chicago, give me a call, you can see them in person and if I get to Omaha, I will definitely stop in to see your fabulous collection of vintage machines!

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 13:06:23 (MDT)

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I had a look at that Kirby this morning, while it looks very nice, I question its "new-ness"

On the one pic that almost shows the whole machine from the front, it shows the cord/bag hook attached to the side of the upper handle. This is wrong for the Classic III, as originally those cleaners has that uncomfortable triangular handle grip, with the cord/bag hood attaching to the back of the grip. The machine on Ebay appears to have the bag hook on the side of the handle, something I thought did not begin until the Tradition model.

just my 2 cents worth...

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 12:08:38 (MDT)

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My Dearest Charlie,

As you know I challenged our eBay seller to not only explain how he came to such an outrageous starting bid for a 28 y/o Kirby, but how can you tell us its "brand new" when the machine was manufactured 28 years ago. This was his responce this morning:

"For your information it is brand new in the box and I also have 10-20 of them. If you would like to ask me a question, make it a reasonable one. Thank You - Have a Great Day"

I can't wait for his responce to my retort. I'll pass that on to the Forum when I get it back from him.

Best Wishes

Michael

Michael
New York, NY USA - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 10:06:00 (MDT)

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To illistrate the insanity of ebay as discussed in earlier posts, you MUST check out this listing!

Ebay #4333330590--a Kirby Classic III

Don't get me wrong, I like the Classic III as much as anyone, as I owned a near mint one at one time and sold it to a customer.

Tonight, (Thursday), due to the curtesey of Fred Nelson and his Ma Bell swithboard, he, Michael LaBue, Tania Voigt and I discussed the postings here and this new discovery found by none other than Michael LaBue.

Talk about greed run amok! Of course all it takes is one bidder. But one must wonder if the opening bid is that amount, what is the reserve?

We think we know who this seller is and words could never even begin to describe this seller's craziness/delusional thinking.

P.T. Barnum said there is one born every second---let's who comes along for this one! (TeeHee!)

Best wishes to all.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 20:12:24 (MDT

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I agree with both Tom and Charlie's postings re: ebay. This kind of thing, along with a laundry list of what I will call "vacuum insanity" is what has made me want to become distanced from the club. It is why I chose not to run again as President as there were times my opinion was asked and it would have been disruptive for me to give ANY opinion.

I totally understand why people change their bidding names. Case in point: about 2 years ago I won an auction on some kind of vacuum memorabilia and the following day, I had an email from a high profile member saying something to the effect of, "I can't believe you spent that much money for that item."

Then I realized, like Charlie said, that I was being watched and my bidding/spending habits were being reviewed. Talk about "Big Brother". And this was by my supposed vac colleagues! I can't imagine "spying" on another members bidding.

I have never understood why it is anyone's business as to what a person would buy or sell on ebay other than the parties involved.

Board member Fred Nelson and I have discussed this many times. He belongs to an appliance club that is probably 5 times the size of our club and they actually HELP each other find things on ebay and rejoice when a member gets a vintage appliance as it is then saved! It seems some vac people rejoice in "stealing" something from someone else--at times anyway. Sort of a, "I gotcha and now you can't have it!"

I think the whole ebay buying/selling will be a bone of contention for some for some time to come. I have changed my name for one major reason: when I list something, invaribly, someone I know will email me and ask if I would like to do a private sale thus defeating the whole purpose of the capitalism of ebay. Then I am put on the spot because of my involvement with the club. Now how unfair is that to me? Plus it makes me feel badly when I have to say nnnooo!

I have sniped once and let me tell you, I heard about it forever and still do. Now I am more of a seller than buyer and all that has been discussed has driven me away from vac collecting on some level.

As Charlie says, that is my two cents. Please don't interpret this as negativity, but rather honesty on my part. Thanks.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 08:57:46 (MDT)

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re eBay ... [which has been discussed here before, and has often deteriorated into contentiousness, so let's be on our guard here.......]

eBay is a double-edged sword. Those who have been around a while know some of the very hard feelings I have harbored against certain fellow collectors who are CHRONIC snipers (one in particular, to this very day -- changing eBay usernames every so often thinking people aren't on to HER).

However, I have come to realize that there are instances when a snipe might be the way to go --- e.g. the RARE time when a machine comes along that you've been looking for since you were 3 years old, you know, the sweeper that the nice lady next door had ---- and now, here's one on eBay "brand new in the box untouched by human hands since it left the factory."

Perhaps it's a machine of some offbeat or odd make that other collectors would generally not have a lot of interest in. But you can bet your bottom dollar the minute you place a bid on it, a half-dozen "MeeeeToooo'ers" will come scampering in to bid on it, just because it is there and suddenly they can't live without it.

There are actually collectors who have bookmarked other ebay users' profile pages to keep an eye on what they are bidding on, as another way to find stuff ... in addition to sitting in front of their computer hours and hours each day endlessly trolling the search pages.......

The way to avoid this is to wait and bid at the last few minutes or seconds of the auction. That way, no one knows you're looking; if someone checks your "items I'm bidding on" page, all they'll see is the crotchless panties that you're bidding on for your neighbor ("right!").

I used to be 100% against sniping, until I got hit "with the other edge of the sword" one too many times -- e.g., not necessarily getting sniped but seeing the "MeeeTooo'ers" running in to bid against me ---- most times not exceeding my bid but just pushing it up.

So, yes, I admit it ....... I have, very infrequently, sniped an occasional auction --- always with reluctance and a tinge of remorse. The fact that I feel so badly when I do do it is enough to keep me from becoming like ... well, "you know whom" ....... [She must have a half-dozen silos full of s#!t by now.]

I will say this much .... I will NOT bid against another collector whose ebay username I recognize. Well, I take that back. I did it once; however, I emailed that person first and said, "You know, I really do want that SuperSuckerDeluxe you've bid on ..... would you forgive me if I snipe it?" And of course the person replied very graciously.

Other than that, I figure, I have far too many machines already; if something comes up, most likely I already have one anyway and if someone else has bid on it, then let them have it. Unlike some people, I don't need three dozen specimens of every machine (or a hundred copies of every instruction book, pamphlet, ad or display piece). One of each is enough, these days.

Well, that is, except for one machine, my beloved Electrolux Model E, and one accessory, the air-powered floor polisher of which I will never have "too many" of. They are just too special to me. But even at that, I have really restrained myself. Lately, there have been several fairly nice Es, and at least a dozen polishes, that I have refrained from bidding on, in some cases because someone else, whom I recognized, had bid on them. This, to me, is not only being sane, but is also being "a gentleman."

Short point made too long ...

The POINT IS, there will always be the Snipers and the MeeeeTooo'ers ruining eBay for everyone else ..... those of us who just want to occasionally pick up a nice machine on eBay at a FAIR PRICE will, ultimately, have to play dirty just like everyone else -- or pay the price for being Mr. Nice Guy.

I agree with Tom that eBay has corrupted a lot of people -- and ruined a lot of friendships -- because of GREED.

I wish it did not have to be so.

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CALIFORNIA United States - Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 13:54:23 (MDT)

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Hi everyone I'm Brian, and I'm new to the club..I have loved hoover vacuum cleaners my entire life, especially those from the later 1960's to mid 70's..I own about 12 vacuums, and I used to work in a vacuum repair shop from 1985 to 1990..I love hearing from others who share my intrest in these machines..I'am looking for a hood for my model 707..The one that I have is cracked..Does anyone know where I can find one?? Please let me know..Thank you..

Brian Fuss
Bethel Park, Pa USA - Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 19:39:07 (MDT)

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Hey!

Well, i guess if you all would like to know my ebay ID is Gothicvac...formerly Kirbyvacguy06. Some of you probably have seen those names, and feel free to bid against me...I wont mind...thats the game of Ebay i guess. Just thought you all should know!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 19:23:39 (MDT)

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To Skip Aultman:

Ebay has made friends into enemies. Most vacuum collectors go on ebay to aquire machines for their collections - however, the transactions themselves and the way club members conduct themselves can be 'deadly' to friendships.

Some club member will bid on a vacuum they want, even if another club member is bidding on it. They reason "I'm a collector too" and will spend any amount to get the item (some club members have VERY deep pockets).

Sometimes club members will 'snipe' an auction by using Robobidder or Bidsniper or whatever. In these cases, especially if other club members have already placed bids on an item, it can be a very sore spot with regard to club members relationships with each other. I'll never forget the first time something I had bid on and watched for a week was 'sniped' by a club member whom I thought was a friend. I was so mad. Yet, sniping is something that can and is accepted as a part of ebay. After all, this IS an AUCTION.

I was mad and hurt, and didn't speak to this person (whom I considered a good friend) for over two years. Terrible thing to happen, yet I was extremely hurt by the 'snipe'. I've since learned how to snipe too. I just don't do it.

Sometimes, a club member will bid on another member's auction and get in a bidding war with another club member. Had this happen recently. The winning bidder had buyer's remorse and actually got mad at ME because he bid so much. I had nothing to do with the amount he bid, but today we are bitter enemies. He holds it against me that he had to pay so much. I was just the seller.

I agree totally with you that club members shouldn't bid against each other. Friendships are hard to come by in this world, and there are damn few vacuum collectors around. I don't know what the answer is - there will always be those (like you) who are respectfull of other members and will not bid against them. There will always be members who do not care - it's an auction and they are free to bid what they want. I don't know what the answer is but I hate to see eBay tear the club apart. And all over vacuum cleaners, which are meaningless in the grand design of life.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 15:39:54 (MDT)

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Hi guys, just a quick and rather harried reminder that security is an ever-present issue with this site.

(I am going to try to post this reminder at least monthy, for as long as I keep getting suspicious-sounding queries about the secure area of the site.)

I continue to receive suspicious or strange queries from people who are not on the membership list asking for their site usernames and passwords. Some of these proved to be legit ... and some did not ... like the guy who emailed to inform me, "Hello, my username is '#######' -- please email me my password." I know that the username he provided is not legit ---- so it's obvious that someone is trying to sneak in through the side door.

So, here's just a reminder that we MUST remain ever cautious and vigilant on this issue, lest our "kindler, gentler" forum deteriorate and self-destruct the way that all the others have due to childish trouble-makers.

If anyone asks you to "borrow" your username and password, or is just "curious" to know what they are, DO NOT divulge this information, and please immediately inform me, RJ, Dave Olsen or Ken Wagman about this.

Thank you, and now, back to my hectic life.......

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 23:26:23 (MDT)

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Hi all - I'm new to the forum after some prodding from Terry Latz and Scott Onasch. I'm having a great time reading previous postings and learning a lot. I have a small collection of vacuums and a collection of major appliances; washers, dryers, dishwashers, etc. from the late 40's through the present. My laundry collection was featured this last Spring on the HGTV show "Hey Remember" and a local TV news program last month.

I had the pleasure of viewing the DVD of the last vac convention this summer - it looked like everyone had a great time. My vac collection consists mostly of Hoover uprights and Electrolux canister vacs although I found a brand new Sunbeam upright vac and round suction-only vac, both in the boxes at an estate sale a few weeks ago. I know the upright was Singer made, was the canister as well? I also picked up a supply of bags for both. I'm not very interested in keeping these so if anyone is interested in them, please let me know. I only have so much room and with 20+ washers and dryers, I have to be choosy about what I keep!

I just wanted to say Hi and introduce myself and I look forward to getting to know everyone.

Take care - Greg Nunn, Omaha, NE

Greg Nunn
Omaha, NE USA - Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 21:25:30 (MDT)

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Hello All!

Does anyone have a DS80 bag they wish to sell? I just got a DS80 (FINALLY) but it doesnt have an orignal bag. Though it has the original bag for the Sanitronic 562-50

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 20:18:45 (MDT)

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I was presented with a similar piece of furniture (off white vinyl, decorative buttons and tacks - lovely - smile)---with a Kenmore Rocket in it. I can't find a brand and it appears to be a generic piece furniture to hide a vacuum cleaner. There is a flap for hose and there are bands under the lid to hold tools.

mark goodall
Omaha, USA - Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 10:04:05 (MDT)

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skip,

my ebay handle is dynaflow

ron

ron d jones
rockingham, NC USA - Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 17:20:17 (MDT)

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Hello everyone,

I recently came across a rather odd find. A vacuum cleaner inside a ottoman. At first i walked right by what i thought was a green vinyl foot stool but my friend Victor saw a tag taped to it that said " vacuum $15.00" We lifted the lid and lo and behold a vacuum cleaner is integrated inside the ottoman. the hose and cord wrap inside and the attachments and three wands fit into the lid. It is called a Decorvac. Made in Richmond VA by NAP co. National American Products Co. It came with a package of genuine Decorvac bags. It has pretty strong suction too. Suction only machine. Does anyone know about these? RJ or Tom G. have you heard of these vacuums? It's so odd i am going to bring it to LA in June.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 16:21:27 (MDT)

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Welcome Duane,

It is good to know more people in WI that belong to the club. It is a great group of people and I am sure you will add even more knowledge about vacuums and their history along with repair tips.

Benton is in the very southren tip of Wisconsin right on the Ill and Ia border. I have heard of West Bend but would have to look at the map to locate it. Close to Dubuque Ia, Platteville and about and hour south of Madison.

Again, Welcome.

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 05:34:22 (MDT)

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Hi to all members,

I am a new member and I would like to introduce myself to you. My name is Duane Taylor. I have been in the vacuum cleaner business for over 30 years. In the last 15 years, I have become interested in collecting old vacuum cleaners and I have over 50 models displayed at my vacuum cleaner store. I also have a shop at home with many old vacuums and parts that you may be interested in trading or inquiring about. I will be looking forward to hearing from you and meeting you in the near future.

Duane Taylor
West Bend , wi USA - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 20:32:47 (MDT)

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Hi To All:

I have to ask you'll what you'll think of my idea about ebay. I have this thing about not bidding against my friends or fellow members of the VCCC. I just wanted some input as to how you'll feel about this.

I have an agreement with some members on this and I think we should all know each others ebay name as not to bid against each other.

there are some members who I have no contact with what so ever that I know there ebay names and don't bid against them but I do except the same in return.

By the way my ebay name is Honest_skip. I know Tom Gasko's, Evan Rodgers, Fred Nelson's,Mike Pletcher's, Stan Hagan's, Mike Labue's, Charlie WAltrus's,John Young's, Fred Stachnik's,Marty Rocha's, Ken Smith's, Robert Azars's, Charlie lester's,Robb Castaldo's,Chad Cunningham's,Mike Hays's,Caryl McCain's,Bernie Mehlbaum's, RJ Vanik's, and ken wagman's ebay names but would like to know all of you'll ebay names I wouldn't want to bid against you'll.

My only problem for me is I don't believe in placing an early bid because I find it drives the bid up so I do bid at the very end usually and I do use my bidnapper alot.

I was thinking that I good way for all of us to know about what we are going to bid on would be maybe to write to the forum a simple note that I'm going to bid on this certain auction, so we know what that member is going to bid on.

Please you'll give me some feedback on this so I know how you'll feel about this.

Thanks for your cooperation

Happying vacuuming Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 15:09:28 (MDT)

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Model G update: The manager of a local thrift Shop run by volunteers to support an in patient psychiartic facility for adolescent girls gave me the Model G (see post below) because it didn't work and she knows I make stuff with them (also, I am a booster for them). Anyway, I noted it had a new bag and little suction. I inserted the hose backward, heard it clear its throat, and it worked great after. In fact, I have a young deaf cat that likes being vacuumed but found the Model G suction a bit much. The thrift shop was embarrassed and delighted when I returned it. It had been their main cleaning machine. S'pose y'all get these stories all the time.

mark goodall
Omaha, USA - Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 10:57:42 (MDT)

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Tom,

Thanks for the information.

David

David Watters
Denver, CO USA - Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 07:36:32 (MDT)

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To Mark Goodall:

Thank you so much for the Fairfax parts. I really appreciate them. The Electrolux you have was a rebuild. Made at the same time as the Olympia One (which is why it's the same brown color). Electrolux donated many rebuilt canisters and new Heavy Duty Automatic uprights (before the Discovery II) to charitable organizations. There was one of those model G's at the GoodWill I used to haunt, looking for old cleaners to buy. It wasn't for sale, as it was donated to them. Would have loved to have had it. The reason the back end of your machine is a different color, is that was the original color before rebuilding, and all Electrolux did was put that cord winder on the painted body, without painting the rear end. That was a common thing on the rebuilds they donated. If you don't want the machine, I know of a good home for it. (smile).

To David Watters:

That's my Coronado. It was really a Kingston, just as the Firestone was really a Kingston. Coronado was the private labeled name for machines sold at Gimbels department store. Kingston private labeled a lot of machine. The Coronado is one of my favorite tanks, very quiet. It did very well in the cleaning contest, losing by only .1 ounces of dirt. The machine resembles a Eureka tank, but it isn't. The handle/switch give it away as a Kingston (as do the tools).

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Friday, October 15, 2004 at 11:52:10 (MDT)

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Dear gang:

The Air-Way company put a man in touch with me that has 3 model 66's that he would like to find homes for. They are more parts machines than anything else and the guy just wants to be paid for the shipping if anyone is interested.

I told him I would post here with his email and phone and maybe someone would contact him. I don't know the man. Again, Air-Way referred him to me after he called them.

His name: Rick Becker, email: vze42yrp@verizon.com and his cell phone is 978-337-9009.

I hope everyone is doing well and best wishes. Kudos to Louis on the newsletter! I didn't get my issue until Friday of last week and was going nuts after reading and hearing so much about it. It was well worth the wait.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 15:51:31 (MDT)

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Was given a brown/tan (Automatic) Model G today, no p/n, no attachments. Just canister and hose. At back end, the ribbed plate is turquoise for some reason. There is a sticker on the side with the legend "Donated by Electrolux Corp. Not for Resale."

Mark Goodall
Omaha, USA - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 12:49:19 (MDT)

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We have two members who are currently "missing" - If anyone has contact with either Mike Herrold or Lisa Rawlings (mother of Jake) please have them contact Dave Olsen AND myself with their current addresses. Their newsletters were returned as undeliverable, and when I tried to send them emails for updated info, both of those came back as undeliverable. Lets hope they haven't been abducted by aliens......

R, J, Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 00:05:03 (MDT)

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WOW!!!

I got my newsletter finally and it is really great. How I wish I was there, and maybe some day I will again.

I have a question though on page 10 there is a tan vacuum, tank, with chrome, what is it? Many years ago I had asked the club to find that same vac because I had one as a child, it was my parents/grandparents. Ours was green and chrome just like the tan one on page ten. I found a book at Micheal Pletchers home it was a Firestone. If I remember correctly. I hope you can tell me about this machine and who brought it.

David

David Watters
Denver, CO USA - Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 22:15:08 (MDT)

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Hi,Everyone

I just read the news letter and it was GREAT!

Great job Louis!

Russ Meninno

Russ Meninno
Easton, Ma. USA - Monday, October 11, 2004 at 06:03:04 (MDT)

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Hello All,

I have moved to a one bedroom apartment from a 5 bedroom home. It is a big adjustment and I am getting better. The sad thing is I have not recieved my newsletter, I think becuase of the mail change in address I have not gotten it. Oh well it may still come yet.

My new address is, for those who would like it is: David Watters 5170 East Asbury Ave. #202, Denver Colorado, 80222. My new phone number is 303-691-8933. From what I hear from you all and Clay Floyd the news letter is outstanding and can't wait to see it.

Because of my smaller place my vacs are being stored at a friends home in Loveland which as a about 45 miles north of Denver so I dont get to use then as often, I do have about 6 with me here in the place, at least my favorites.

Take care all and hope you are all well.

David Watters

David Watters
Denver, CO USA - Friday, October 08, 2004 at 05:51:07 (MDT)

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Hi To All:

I have to add my two cents in also. The newsletter is the best yet. Louis you did a fanastic job I must say. The pictures are picture perfect.

I still read it everyday and just glow at the pictures and I have to say there are some really nice vacuums in this issue.

Well Tom at least now I really see what you look like. Again youi are such a great friend.

Again Louis Thanks for a great job

Happy vacuuming Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, LA USA - Thursday, October 07, 2004 at 20:31:35 (MDT)

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Louis,

Let me echo the praise! Excellent job on the newsletter!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, October 07, 2004 at 09:39:29 (MDT)

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got my news letter today my eyes are sore from going cover to cover, what a WONDERFUL issue, u can tell a lot of time and effort went into putting it together thanks lewis

ron d jones
rockingham, nc USA - Wednesday, October 06, 2004 at 21:32:31 (MDT)

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Hello forum,

I received the VCCC newsletter on Monday, and I must say, it is FABULOUS! The color photos were a nice touch.

My hat's off to Louis R. for doing another great job on this newsletter.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Wednesday, October 06, 2004 at 20:20:40 (MDT)

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To Mark Goodall:

I could sure use the red bumper for a Fairfax. I have a nice machine with no bumper and would much appreciate it. my email is dysonman1@hotmail.com

To Chuck C.:

Andy came to see me before he went for the photo shoot, as he wanted to borrow some of my vintage cleaners to help make the photo look good. I was particularly delighted by the way my Rexair model B looked in the story. Andy sure has come a long way from the little boy we all came to like at his first meeting back in 1999. He's all grown up and ready to start his own vac shop.

I'm very lucky that he and I became such good friends - I get to see him once every few months when he makes the trek from Springfield (by Branson) all the way to St. Louis. I'm going to drag him to the next meeting in L.A. by hook or by crook. He's still in college right now, but next summer he'll have the whole summer off.

To Pan Evans:

I sent out Greg's birthday present today. You should have it in time for his birthday on Friday. I sent the Constellation with hose, telescopic wand, and new rug nozzle, together with a dolly, hose cord, and complete set of attachments for the Rainbow that Jeff Parker gave to Greg at the last meeting. There's another Rainbow hose in there for use with the attachments and for wet pickup so you don't have to use the hose with the cord on it (the hose you use with the power nozzle). Also, you told me that Greg now has an Electrolux, so I sent a new bag, two wands, and rug/floor tool for the Electrolux. Hope he has a great birthday and enjoys his presents. Please post a note to tell us all how he likes them.

To Louis R.:

GREAT JOB my friend on the newsletter. You get better and better with each one. Thank you for all your hard work on behalf of our club. You are very much appreciated.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Wednesday, October 06, 2004 at 15:19:55 (MDT)

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Hi Member,

I am looking someone who have Rexair Model 3 because My Rexair Model 3's Paints is all gone by Rusted and I have no samples of 2 colors and Logo top of Cap and I have no motor inside at all I have no idea what is looks like. I really need some help information and take some photo email to me so I can restores it. I did tried email or call to Michael Pletcher he have 3 of them. He won't answer to me anything . Can anyone help me many thanks

Joseph Falsetta
San Diego, CA USA - Wednesday, October 06, 2004 at 12:36:52 (MDT)

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........ They say the mind is the first thing to go !!!! I ment to say the "October" issue of the magazine

"what-a-world...what-a-world"

(I may just be on a Bosch high.)

Chuck

Chuck Chatham
USA - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 19:00:01 (MDT)

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What a nice surprise yesterday!! I recieved the September issue of "Floor Care Professional", and on the front cover is club member, Andy Weter. He is shown with a few of his vintage vacuums, and there is a very nice article, suggesting how a display of vintage vacuums in current vacuum shops, helps to increase sales. The article is well written, and makes valid points. The photos of Andy, and has cleaners are fantastic.

GEEE, this litle club sure has had a good relationship with the media. Keep up the "good looks" guys.

Best to everyone..... Chuck

Chuck Chatham
Lock Haven, Pa USA - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 18:55:47 (MDT)

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Hey!

I received the newsletter today! It was well worth the wait! Thanks, Louis, for doing a fantastic job again! ((I can't believe how clear the color pictures came out!))

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 15:34:46 (MDT)

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Anyone need a red cord (three prongs) and/or red bumper for a FairFax? My compliments.

mark goodall
Omaha, USA - Monday, October 04, 2004 at 15:03:48 (MDT)

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Hey!

Anyone have a Blue Royal Cord? I believe my aunt needs one for her Royal 886F. It doesnt need to be mint or new, just usable. One of her prongs came off...I wish she took better care of it! Oh well!

James Wyrembelski
beaverton, MI USA - Saturday, October 02, 2004 at 22:47:52 (MDT)

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Hi Pam:

I can tell you all about your Premier Duplex. First, I want to mention that I did receive an envelope from you, however, it was just the envelope and the tan-color card, no check. Please write to me at Dysonman1@hotmail.com or call me at work (636-937-1001). I know Greg's birthday is coming up and we do want to get his present out to you.

The Premier was made by the General Electric Company, it was one of the two 'names' that they put on cleaners (GE was the other), and they sold them in two separate types of stores in the mid 20's through late 50's. General Electric stores got GE's and Vac Shops got Premier's.

An old style Royal metal upright belt will work on that model. The ball bearings are most likely dry, and that's why the motor is locked up. However, it's rare that the armature is bad, so a simple replacement of the bearings will make this VERY good vacuum work again. Many of the 'old timers' in the club (like my best friend, Clay Floyd) worked on GE's and Premier's exclusively in the 50's and 60's and are quite familiar with the inner workings. I'm sure one of them would be delighted to restore the Premier for you.

Don't throw it away, even if Greg doesn't have an interest in it. Many of us who are into vintage machines would love to have it.

Tom Gasko

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Saturday, October 02, 2004 at 12:17:37 (MDT)

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Gregory recieved a gift yesterday of a very old vacuum. I was wondering if any of you would know anything about it. It is a "Premier Duplex". It has a swivel caster on it, a beater bar and a primitive vacuum headlight. A woman in her 70's was cleaning out a barn and this belonged to her grandmother who passed away in 1946. There is a tag for the serial and model number which are both blank, which seems unusual since the other information is stamped on it. It is in relatively good shape considering it has been in a barn since 1946!! My husband said the motor is locked up and it has a hole in the bag.

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Any information would be appreciated!!

Ron Jones....thank you for the convention pictures that you sent to us!!

Pam Evans
USA - Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 10:43:27 (MDT)

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Hi To All:

Well I had a very pleasant suprise today, My Remoco from the Uk came in today. It is all original except for the hose. It was replaced with a hoover constellion hose. There is one wand missing and the crevice tool and Dusting brush as well. I'm not compl;aining at all.

The sellers shipped it thru DHL and they shipped it after 4:00PM there time Monday and it was delivered to me today at 12:00PM. DHL told the sellers It probably wouldn't get to me until at least 30 days.

It runs like a top and really does a super job of cleaning. I haved a transformer from Radio shack and that how I run my UK vacs.

It is in near mint condition no dings or dents at all. There is a very small chip just below the switch but you have to look hard to see it.

So now my hunt is on for a wilfa.

Happy Vacuuming

Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 23:21:35 (MDT)

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Tom,

You mentioned at the convention that there would be a new Dyson model with an electric powerhead coming out the fall as well. Any word as to when. And will it have the aggressive brush as well.

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 18:24:16 (MDT)

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To Jeff Parker:

Yes, the DC14 is a really nice Dyson. It's certainly an upgrade from the DC07. You are one of the very few people who will understand this analogy:

The DC07 Dyson is a Hoover 105

The DC14 Dyson is a Hoover 541

The DC15 (coming in December) is the Hoover 700.

There were only six years between the 105 and 700. The 105 and 541 had the same motor and brush roller design, with 541 having many more convenience features. The 700's motor and brush were redesigned.

Dyson is doing the same thing. His DC07 set the standard (as did Hoover 105). The DC14, just launched, is way more convenient with a better and much improved hose as well as bin capacity. The DC15 (to be launched soon) is the one to wait for. It will clean every bit as well as the Hoover Concept One, with an extremely aggressive agitator. Made just for American carpets, and will be sold no where else in the world (unlike other Dyson models which are world wide).

To Joe F.:

My friend and fellow club member Mike Pletcher had the second model 3 Rexair I ever saw. The first was owned by the Rainbow distributor from St. Louis. He retired in 1980. Mike Pletcher's model 3's (he has three of them when I talked to him last about two months ago) range from good, to fair, to poor condition. But they all have all their paint. Only one runs well. The only place the word REXAIR appeared was on top, and it was a standard block printed word, together withj "model 3" and the patent numbers. Nothing else. Not even the volts and watts and amps. Nothing. Perhaps this was because it was a war time machine, and was intended to be sold only to the United States government and a very few to be sold on doctor's prescriptions. No consumer goods were available in the U.S. during the war.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 11:04:57 (MDT)

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Hi Tom Gasko

I Just got the Rexair Model 3 It's really Amazing. It's not really good shape because all paints are gone nothing left all Rusts. I found little spot of blue and yellow in underneath I'm going to restores it. There was no motor...I am looking for replace Original Motor. I lost the logo on the top handle nothing all came off if possible make copy from other owner of model 3. I can put back orginal logo . Water Basin bottom is all holes. I can't put water because rusts are eating up the metal.. big holes. If you want see the photo let me know I can send you email.

Joseph Falsetta
Ca USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 22:02:29 (MDT)

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Fred,

Lowering the brush roll on my Royal markedly improved its performance, it gets up the dog hair, leaves a nice track, and I can raise the height adjustment one notch, so its not smashed into the carpeting. I've always liked the vacuum lines, too bad they don't stay around too long! I know what you mean about the wheel marks from the self-propelled models too. I tried both a Concept and my Windtunnel.

The canisters work well, but I have to be honest. I don't feel like I've vacuumed unless I've used a center suction, dirty fan upright.

Yes, I will be seeing you soon, I'll call one night this week.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 21:24:19 (MDT)

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Hey Jeff - Congratulations on your new carpeting. I experienced the same thing when I bought a deep plush carpet a few years ago. The uprights seem to bog down in them. When vacuuming a plush carpet, I like to brush up the nap and not leave tracks. There is no question that a canister with the right power nozzle is the way to go. I have plush here in St. Charles but it is not that deep. I have been restoring a Dial Power Drive and it seems to leave too many tracks both from the rear wheels as well as the power drive wheels. The 69 convertible and my small head Kirbys work OK on this type of plush but it is not that deep. Try a Kirby out - the one with the wide wheels if you really want to use an upright. I tend to be AC DC with the uprights and cannisters - It depends on my mood. Hope to see you soon?

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 19:45:28 (MDT)

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Charlie,

With regards to the Dimension bags, on one of my annual trips to N. Canton to visit Tom we stopped in a Goodwill store and I found a case of Type M bags. These are the older still made by Hoover ones, as the ones currently being sold are not. The paper is different, and in use in my home they work quite well.

I've been using my canisters more since the new carpeting was installed. I goofed in a way, because the carpeting I bought came in three grades. I didn't realize when I ordered the "supreme" grade that I'd be getting 3/8" thick pile. My 1070 hot-rod Convertible just sinks into the pile set on normal, and skips across the surface set on high. Same story with my Sanitaire. My Royal does much better since I turned the brush roll ends to position 2, however it still sinks into the pile too much. The canisters that seem to perform best.

I've never tried a Filter Queen, but I'm thinking I may get an Air-Way Sani Clean. I like the compact size of that model.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 17:20:34 (MDT)

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Jeff,

Thanks for your insights on the Dimension and Vita-Vac.

Interestingly, yesterday a customer came by to have her FQ Majestic checked out. She needed a new brushroll, belt, pre-motor filter and cones. She wanted to see my vintage vacs as well.

After looking and listening to my schpiel on Air-Way Inc., she really wanted one and may buy one for her mother! She loved all the cannisters from the 55 to 88. We compared features on the FQ vs the Air-Way vs several lux models vs the Dimension. She was really sold on the Air-Way and thought it was, "really quiet--quieter than the others." Well, who am I to argue with a customer!

So, your posting was interesting to read this morning. I agree with all your points on the comparison. Noise has never bothered me, (I'm a product of the Disco era and the louder the better), so I don't consider it as big a factor as others do.

I told Fred S. that I found it interesting that after I put in a new pre-motor filter on the Dimension and a new bag, the filter had become quite blackened after only one vacuuming. Dust leakage? Existing dust in the bag cage/receptacle? Who knows. Fred and I also discussed how the current M bag really does not fit the machine properly like the original ones. We hope to find and devise a better filtering bag for our own personal models. Updates to follow!

Again, thanks for your input. It is always valued. See you soon, perhaps?

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 11:36:02 (MDT)

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Tom Gasko:

You mentioned a new Dyson model and that reminded me... I was at Sears the other night exchanging a TV, and I noticed that they had new models of the Dyson. I didn't have time to examine them too closely, the one difference I noticed was that the dirt container/cone thingy were shorter and maybe a larger diameter than the current models.

Are these something better/improved over the current models?

Just curious

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Saturday, September 25, 2004 at 21:50:36 (MDT)

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To Fred S.:

I am pleased that Joe read the two books. I was going to ask if you had already read the Dyson autobiography, as it's a fascinating story about one man's triumph over evil.

I really like Joe and it's great that we'll be able to debate various similarities and differences between the two companies (hoover and dyson). By the way, you mentioned that the only thing you wish Dyson would change was the brush roller, to make it more aggressive (like the Concept One). Well, they did it. The DC15 (to be launched in December) has a brush roller very much like a Hoover Concept One. Mr. Dyson said "if they (Americans) want to rip the carpet apart - we'll give them a Dyson that will rip it to shreds". James is a believer in soft brush rollers that can be left running in one spot without carpet damage, but of course, on European rugs aggressive brush rollers are not needed. They use straight suction to clean their carpets still. And their wool rugs come very clean without any brush rollers at all.

I've asked James if he would care to be our guest speaker at next year's VCCC meeting at our awards banquet. He will be in the U.S. in June of 2005 - so it's a definate possibility that we could get him to address our group. Personally, to me that's like having God address the group. Yes, I know he's just a man (a brilliant, very wealthy man) - but I do believe it would be fun to hear him talk to the club. After all, we do collect vacuums and he does make them.

tom gasko
park hills, missouri USA - Saturday, September 25, 2004 at 13:07:43 (MDT)

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Hi guys, just a quick and rather harried reminder that security is an ever-present issue with this site.

I have recently gotten several suspicious queries from people who are not on the membership list asking for their site usernames and passwords. Some of these proved to be legit ... and some did not ... like the guy who emailed to inform me, "Hello, my username is '#######' -- please email me my password." I know that the username he provided is not legit ---- so it's obvious that someone is trying to sneak in through the side door.

So, here's just a reminder that we MUST remain ever cautious and vigilant on this issue, lest our "kindler, gentler" forum deteriorate and self-destruct the way that all the others have due to childish trouble-makers.

If anyone asks you to "borrow" your username and password, or is just "curious" to know what they are, DO NOT divulge this information, and please immediately inform me, RJ, Dave Olsen or Ken Wagman about this.

Thank you, and now, back to my hectic life.......

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA United States - Saturday, September 25, 2004 at 11:43:44 (MDT)

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Charlie,

I've got both a Dimension 1000 and a Vita-vac. I have to say they are both excellent cleaners, each with its own unique things that make it special.

First, the Dimension is hands down the best canister Hoover ever made. It's an excellent cleaner, good suction & airflow, excellent powernozzle, and a good size bag. The switch on the end of the hose/variable speed control are also really handy.

Downside: Its heavy, and the powernozzle is annoyingly loud. There's also the filtration issue, but in my experience the bags are decent enough and in use in my home it doesen't leak too much dust.

I've always liked my Vita vac too. Earlier this year I ordered the enhanced hose & powernozzle from Airway, and when I reach for a canister these days its usually my Vita vac. The powernozzle is also very good, and of course there's the filtration and airflow. I also really like the swivel hose joints, and the lightness of the hose.

Downside: Just as awkward/clumsy/heavy as the Dimension, and the powernozzle is just as loud. I also have this love/hate thing with the cord, as it is nice and long, but when I get near where the vacuum is plugged in, I'm tripping on a mess of cord. I also have to be really careful about tugging it about, there's no bumper protection on that canister at all, and the potential is there for some damage to walls. I'm also not crazy about the location of the powernozzle cord on the canister, a bump against the couch or a door frame, and the cord is unplugged.

I just re-carpeted my LR/DR a couple of weeks ago, and since then I've been experimenting with various machines to see which one works best on my 1/4 inch thick plush. So far, its the canisters that have worked best, I guess I need to learn how to be more of a canister person.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, September 24, 2004 at 09:39:13 (MDT)

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Fred and Forum:

I'm telling you those Dimensions are really something! I have heard from various people about how loud and awkward they are but, in my opinion, no more awkard than any other cannister for that matter. The suction on those is terrific and the power nozzle makes the floor vibrate.

It would be nice if there was a better filtering bag. Even with the pre motor filter, I'm sure there is serious leakage going on.

The only thing that can compete with them are the top of the line Air-Ways which are just as loud and awkward!

Fred, find us some better bags!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Friday, September 24, 2004 at 07:53:28 (MDT)

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Ron Jones-

E-mail me with the model number of the Steam Vac that you found, and I'll see what I can dig up for you at work. I know we stock various Steam Vac hoses and attachments.

Tom G-

Thanks for the carbons for the Hoover model 26! And you'll be pleased to know that it is kind of slow where Joe is working right now (they're between shows), and he's been reading book after book, and was looking for things to read... So I handed him the Dyson book, and Fabulous Dustpan--to say that he took them with some hesitation would be an understatement..

Let me tell you-- he read that Dyson book cover to cover in one day--barely able to put it down (and even mentioned getting choked up at one point in the story)! Same with Fabulous Dustpan the next day. I thought you'd appreciate that. :) Now you two can schmooze Dyson and Hoover history in LA..

Hi All!

Reading Charlie's posting from last weekend got me anxious to pull my Hoover Dimension out and give it a whirl. I haven't used the thing in probably 8 years. And, wow! What a mistake that was! I forgot what a wonderful machine it is--the hose on mine is a tad bit short, but its no more akward than using a 70's or 80's Lux. It is quiet, sucks itself to the carpet, and really does a nice job.

But I was wondering (and Charlie, I think you may have asked this once before), are there now, or have there ever been any brand of micro-filtration bags for that machine (M bags)? I could just smeellll the dust-even with a new bag in it. Any thoughts??

Well, off to Philosophy... Hope all are well!

Fred Stachnik
Milwaukee, WI USA - Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 11:50:10 (MDT)

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Seems like it is throw your Hoover away month in NC found a nice Hoover steam vac on the side of the road yesterday works great and a Hoover Floor-a-matic today only thing missing on the steam vac are the cleaning tools for like furniture any ideas on where to get hose and att.

Ron

ron d jones
rockingham, nc USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 20:50:51 (MDT)

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To Tom Gasko,

I just wanted to let you know that I received the Kirby bag today. Thank you very much.

Looking forward to receiving the VCCC newsletter soon!

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Wednesday, September 22, 2004 at 13:55:23 (MDT)

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To Charlie W.:

The motor in the DJ and in the UltraLux differ ONLY in the fan and fan case. You'll notice that the fan in the Ultra is taller in the middle and tapers out as it flattens. The DJ motor uses 'lamb' type fans, as it was a copy of a Lamb motor (meaning - cheaper to build than the Silverado motor).

The problem WAS and IS the fact that the commutator on all Electrolux motors AFTER the Silverado has half the copper turns on it that the motors previous to the DJ did. Very short lived commutators, and remember, the commutator is the life of the armature. We still see burned out commutators in just a few years.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Monday, September 20, 2004 at 14:20:41 (MDT)

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GOOD NEWS:

I won the 1940's Remococ on the uk ebay site for 1.78 US dollars. I was the only bidder on the vac.

I think that the seller listed it in the wrong catorgy because I have alot of Friends in the UK and the UK and they all thought at the last seconds there would have been 20 or more bids on it since it so rare and this is one of the most sought after vacs in the Uk.

Again Luck was on my side again. Now all I need is the Wilfa. I have a good feeling that will be my next foreign vac I acquire at least I hope so.

Happy vacuuming Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 13:44:06 (MDT)

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Tom,

Thanks for the information on the Silverado. I knew there had to be some explanation for the difference in the two models.

Is there much difference between the motor used in the DJ and the Ultralux? It seems to me they are similar except the Ultralux motor had all the "bugs" worked out of it as first experienced with the cheapened down motor used in the DJ.

Thanks again!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 13:39:42 (MDT)

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To Charlie W.:

Electrolux made the silverado with the PN-4 power nozzle for 2 years, then changed to the PN-5 Omni-Flo Automatic power nozzle for the last 9 months. Then, the Diamond Jubilee came could, with it's NEW motor style and bag cage. Before long (4 months or so) the Silverado came BACK out, as a lower priced machine than the Diamond Jubilee by $100 and it featured the NEW DJ style motor and bag cage. The Silverado AFTER the DJ was a limited run, for about 6 months total. The

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 12:06:03 (MDT)

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Hello Everyone:

I sent the email Dave sent Directly to RJ's email and I'm glad did. His computer is acting up so he went to check his email on a friend's computer and read my email and made contact with the lady and he made arrangements to go and get the Kingston or at least work something out on it.

RJ called me last night to Thank Me for sending him the infor on the kingston. So Let's hope everything works out for RJ.

You'll Keep you'll's fingers cross as I might get a UK Remoco canister which is one of my Dream vacs. I will know by tommorrow evening if I got it.

It is identical To Charlie Lester's Eatonia that he got from Ronnie and his wife Ingrid from Norway. The only difference is the color and on the one I'm hopefully getting the one wand is missing as well as the crevice tool but the machine is in almost mint condition with slight damaged to the end of the handle.

I for sure be on cloud nine if I end up with it.

I would still like to get the Canadian Electrolux model 86 and a wilfa one day.

All I need to complete my compact collection is the c8 Golden Compact.

Happy Vacuuming Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 09:55:18 (MDT)

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Dear gang,

I am hoping someone here or a friend of someone here can help me locate Viking disposable bags for the 739 model. They are similar to Lux C bags but the cardboard retainer is larger. If you have some or know of any, please let me know. Plus, if anyone is looking for a good Viking with power head, I know where one is available in Charlotte.

Next up, I am hoping for an explanation on this. Why did Lux manufacture two different motors on the Silverado? Some have what I call the "original" large motor, the same as in the Super J and some have a smaller motor with a larger bag cage. These are not after market motors or bag cages but factory original. Is is due to a change in production run or are the smaller motored models Canadian? The exterior of the machines are the same and the model numbers are 1505. Any info on this?

One last thing, I recently got a Hoover Dimension off ebay. After some parts were replaced, I had a chance to give it a good test run. I know many criticize the Dimension for it's noise and "clumsy" size but, boy, what a vacuum! That quadraflex power nozzle is hard to beat. I've always thought that next to the Air-Way Signature Series, the Dimension was the best power team cannister.

Have a great weekend!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 07:42:04 (MDT)

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To Dave Olsen:

I brought a Coronado tank cleaner, which was a private label Kingston tank, to the last convention. Michael LaBue entered it in the cleaning competition for me. Many people had never seen a Kingston tank before.

They use a Lamb motor, same one as used in the Compact C-2, Filter Queen 350, Lewyt 44, etc. The motors production date is stamped at the very end of the motor, and on the Kingston tank, you can see right in the blower end of the machine, and the date is facing you. So it's easy to see when the thing was made.

Hope someone in Washington gets that machine. Kingston is a rare machine, sold mostly in department stores as private labeled machines and by a small slew of door to door salesmen.

tom gasko
park hills, mo. USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 09:31:17 (MDT)

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Hi..received a letter today from a lady in Tacoma, Washington. If any of you are intersted or can help her out please phone or write to her:

"I heard about the VacuumCleaner Collectors Club website and found your name there. Do you know of anyone in the club who is in Washington State? I have a "Kingston" tank vacuum that my mother bought from a traveling salesman before I was forn (I'm 51). I occasionally use it for dusting and furniture. It is very powerful and in its original condition, except the cord was replaced many years ago. The salesman told her it would still be running long after she was gone! How true! My phone number is 253-756-0155: Janet Schilke, P.O. Box 7159, Tacoma, WA 98406. Thank you for responding if you know of its value or if someone might be interested in it. Janet Schilke

Come on guys....give this lady some help.

Dave Olsen

Dave Olsen, Vac Club Treasurer
Portland, OR USA - Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 02:38:51 (MDT)

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OK Guys.........

Regarding the newsletter..........the printer goofed on some color issues so the 4-page color color spread and front and back cover is being re-run. Should mail within a few days. Sorry for the delay. Please pass the word on...Thanks for your patience!

Louis
Madison, CT USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 21:21:02 (MDT)

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Congratulations Jeff,

Your collection is so wonderfull, I am glad that it is getting the recognition it deserves. Just thought I would mention that I too could not get on to the site you had listed. But later that night, one of those couldn't sleep nights, I tried again and was able to get on right away. The first time it did exactly what Terry was describing. So mabey just a cyber space glitch...

Can't wait for next years convention. I am sure there must be some nice collections on the West Coast as well.

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 15:59:35 (MDT)

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To Charlie Lester:

You are about the only person who can help me with my question - although if anyone else can contribute an answer, I'd appreciate hearing from them.

Electrolux model 11 - I have two of them. One has the straight hose connection that just pushes in (serial number 12,383) and one has the screw-in hose connection like a model 12 (serial 114,839). Do you know when the model 11 changed hose connections?

Also, I have a model 12 that was made in Sweden. And I have a model 12 that was made in America and has the model XXX type hose connection and a very odd rug tool, different than other model 12's I've seen. Do you know at what point Electrolux went to the XXX type hose connection on the model 12?

Thanks for any information you can give me.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 11:06:37 (MDT)

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Terry,

I don't know why the link I posted doesen't work, but you can find the story by accessing the stations main page at www.abc7chicago.com The link is on the right side of the page about 1/3 of the way down...

I had the chicken pot pie yesterday at the Walnut Room... it was to die for!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, September 15, 2004 at 09:56:00 (MDT)

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Hi Jeff, I am sure that you did a great job and had fun as well. I tried the link but is says the page is blank?? The Walnut Room is a favorite of mine as well. Usually try to get there for the lighting of the tree the first part of November and have lunch under the tree. Love that chicken pot pie!!

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 21:47:59 (MDT)

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Terry & Fred,

Thanks for the good wishes, the segment on the program went very well and I had a blast. The whole expreience was very cool, not only did I get to show some of my collection, but I also got to sit on the sidelines and watch Chicago's most watched news program happen. It was very cool. I have a few pictures that were taken, and there is stuff on the TV Station's website with links to the yahoo site and this club's site as well.

Here is the link:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/collectorscorner/091404_cc_vaccums.html

After the broadcast my friend Kris(who helped me move 13 vacuums around today) went for lunch in Marshall Field's famed Walnut Room. The perfect end for the afternoon.

Now I must go unload the car before it rains!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 15:43:37 (MDT)

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To Skip A.:

You are quite welcome my friend. I know what it's like to want to 'talk vacuums' and not have anyone around to talk with. When I first joined the club, the only person I knew interested in sweepers was Ruth Hollander (I used to work for her from the time I was 12 years old, on Saturdays, till I was 24). When I joined the club, our FORMER President, Bob Taber, didn't want 'vac shop' owners to join as he was afraid we would rip off club members. Well, I finally persuaded Bob to allow me to join and at my first meeting I met Clay Floyd, who has become my best friend.

It's been a long and winding road since that first club meeting many, many years ago. I value my friendships with people like Stan Kann, Jimmy Martin, Ben Clayton, Evan Rogers, Charlie Watrous, Mike Hays, you, and many others. It's so nice to be able to talk 'sweepers' with people who know what I'm talking about when I say "Hoover 700" or something like that.

I feel I've made lifetime friends with most of the people in this club, which has really become a godsend in my life. I think, as time goes on and you come to a convention, you'll feel the same way. My club friends "keep me sane" and are all wonderful people.

tom gasko
park hills, missouri USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 14:49:39 (MDT)

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Hey Jeff - Our receptionist just told me she saw another fellow on the TV today that collects vacuums. She asked if I knew who it was. I said "Of course! That's Hooverland Jeff, the king of Hoovers". Dang, I forgot to set my VCR. I hope you taped it.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 14:18:09 (MDT)

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Congratulations Jeff I am very happy for you to have this honor!! I just wish that we got that station down here. I hope that you will get a copy of it to share with us at some point. Please let us know how it goes. I will be thinking of you tomorrow. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Monday, September 13, 2004 at 22:44:13 (MDT)

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One more round of publicity for the club, this Tuesday I and some of my collection will be appearing on Chicago's channel 7 mid-day news program's collector's corner. It should be a fun time, although schlepping vacuums around downtown Chicago may not be so joyous.

Originally they asked that I bring up to 20 vacuums. Given the fact that the segment will only be 4 minutes long, and that the trunk of my Ford Taurus is small, I've whittled 20 down to 12. I pulled one Hoover from each decade, 20's, 30's ect, with some special attention to the Convertible(2 are going) and one Dial-A-Matic. I'm also taking a Connie, and my UK Hoover Senior. For non-Hoover stuff I'm taking the Singer A frame and gold Eureka that won the ribbons at the convention.

I think that makes a fair representation of my collection(I really wish I had a bigger car!)

I also have emailed them some info and links for our website here and to the yahoo site.

Should be fun, I've never done live television before.....

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, September 12, 2004 at 22:19:01 (MDT)

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HI To All:

As you'll know Tanya's B/d was Last Saturday. I'm sending her a near perfect Golden Lewyt for her B/d. It's all original except the plug. The Lewyt really just needs a very good cleaning As I have had in storage for a number of years but it runs like a top. Tanya has been wanting this vac for years, no wonder I held on to it for so long without parting with it.

The Good lord works in mysterious ways. Six months ago Ben and I were talking about the Lewyt and I was telling Ben that I couldn't just give it up to anyone, as Ben said he would take it if I wanted to part with it but I couldn't.

When I called Tanya Last Sunday to wish her a Happy B/d, It clicked in my mind that my Golden Lewyt Had to go to Tanya as A b/d present, so there was my answer.

I suffered a major blow last week with my job. I was promoted to Truck Supervisor 3 months ago well I found out that They pulled the rug from under me Friday as I'm now back as a driver starting this coming week, Which doesn't really bother me but what does hurt is they took my raise away from me, It wasn't because I wasn't doing a fine job It's because this certain salesman is best friends with the plant manager and his supervisor was going to terminate him so John saved his neck by giving him my job. Now I will have to look for a partime job to compensate for my loss of income. But I'm a surviver so I will get it together.

To Tom Gasko:

Thanks for your kind generosity in selling me parts and selling me the Bradford crown princess, It is greatly appreciated very much.

To Miss Ruth:

I also owe you many Thanks for your kind heart As you have really helped me out with my collection adding vacs that I have been wanting. I can't wait to meet you in person for sure.

To Louis, Roger, Ben And Evan:

You'll's friendship as well as Tom's and Miss Ruth's as well as Tanya Has really meant alot to me. It is such a pleasure to come home from a hard day at work and call you'll up and talk about vacuum cleaners as there is no one around me that is a collector.

I'm so Thankful that I do have free long distance on my phone as just the other day It seem like Evan and I talked a solid 4 hours on the phone.

I'm really going to give it my all to make the 2005 convention for sure.

Well I'm guessed I have said enough for now.

Happy vacuuming

Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La. USA - Sunday, September 12, 2004 at 10:16:36 (MDT)

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Tom,

Finally got back to Lowes this weekend. They are carring Electrolux C bags. But they are made by a company called Smart Buy. They are 3 ply. In our Dubuque Store they have them right in the center of the other Electrolux-Eureka bags. 2.97 a package of three.

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Sunday, September 12, 2004 at 06:29:31 (MDT)

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I just got hom from a wonderful Labor Day weekend visiting fellow club member Marc Turbyfill in Spokane (285 miles away from me). As many of you may know, Marc is the owner of Harold's Sewing and Vacuum and has been in the business for many years.

We spent the better part of Sunday doing repairs on some of my pre-war machines (getting a head-start for the convention in L. A.) and then went vac-hunting on Monday at the local thrift stores and in the basement of a nearby vac shop.

Spokane has to be one of the *best* places in Washington State for finding treasures; the car was so stuffed on the way home, I doubt that I could have wedged in even one more crevice tool!

Since the current issue of the newsletter will be mailed any day now, I'll have pictures and an article with more information for the holiday newsletter.

I also have a request to ALL fellow club members who read this message board - if you have (or come across) any worn or torn cloth upright bags that are headed for the garbage can, PLEASE save them and send them to me ASAP. A special project is being planned as a fund-raiser for the VCCC convention, and old bags (preferably with logos) are the necessary raw material to get the project started. Thanks in advance to any who can help out!

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Tuesday, September 07, 2004 at 21:01:37 (MDT)

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Reggie:

I found the two stainless steel inlets. If you email your address, I will send them to you. One is missing the activator button but the other one has one so you should be able to replace the missing one. The only problem is that the mounting brackets aren't with them. They were left in the wall when I replaced the stainless steel inlets with bronze. I would check with M&S in Dallas which is the company that bought out Filtex or MD Manufacturing in Bakersfield CA. Their website is www.builtinvacuum.com. Most of the parts used were universal and you should still be able to get them with a litte searching. I can't believe that I carried these things all the way from California.

I also have sales literature for the Filtex unit you have I believe. They didn't change much over the years. It shows the whole line along with the different inlets. They did sell a power nozzle to go with them but it would not have had an electric hose. Just a cord running to plug the power nozzle into a wall outlet. I will copy the literature and send it along as well. Good luck with the installation, and if there is anything I can do to help, let me know.

Fred Nelson

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 08:50:03 (MDT)

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Reggie:

I found the two stainless steel inlets. If you email your address, I will send them to you. One is missing the activator button but the other one has one so you should be able to replace the missing one. The only problem is that the mounting brackets aren't with them. They were left in the wall when I replaced the stainless steel inlets with bronze. I would check with M&S in Dallas which is the company that bought out Filtex or MD Manufacturing in Bakersfield CA. Their website is www.builtinvacuum.com. Most of the parts used were universal and you should still be able to get them with a litte searching. I can't believe that I carried these things all the way from California.

I also have sales literature for the Filtex unit you have I believe. They didn't change much over the years. It shows the whole line along with the different inlets. They did sell a power nozzle to go with them but it would not have had an electric hose. Just a cord running to plug the power nozzle into a wall outlet. I will copy the literature and send it along as well. Good luck with the installation, and if there is anything I can do to help, let me know.

Fred Nelson

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Monday, September 06, 2004 at 08:49:02 (MDT)

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I am going to get the Filtex and put it in. I would be interested in the inlets you have, even if I have to put in a newer relay for them. I remember your filtex central attachments. They were very nice too. I know when I get some, I won't give them up either and its the same for the vacuum and old inlets too.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 13:19:14 (MDT)

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To Reggie:

A good alternative to the original inlets are the metal inlets sold by MD Manufacturing which is the manufacturer of my Silent Master Unit. They probably have the most comprehensive set of installation supplies, parts and tool sets around. You can retro-fit that Filtex with parts sold on their website www.builtinvacuum.com. They also sell the updated relays. They have a complete page dedicated to parts for Filtex machines In the meantime, you can continue your search for those Filtex tools.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 12:27:12 (MDT)

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To Reggie:

Grab that Filtex. If you don't want it, let me have the details. The original Filtex central vacuums have always been my favorite. Excellent quality and good performance. You can still get the bags which is a testament to their durability. I believe that I have a couple of old Filtex inlets but they are the flip-down type (stainless steel). If you are interested, let me know and I will dig them out. You probably will have a hard time finding the push-button and light inlets unless some installer still has some stock (not likely). The relay in the machine is different for the push-button and light inlets than the flip-down ones. I know because on my very first Filtex installation (about 1977) they were being phased out and I switched the relay to be able to put in the push-button and light inlets. We had a discussion about the old Filtex attachments on one of the other forums. Some of the best. Cast aluminum. You can sometimes find an old Filtex tank machine on ebay that has the same attachments. I can't remember if you came over to my house during the convention (so many did) but I have a set of Filtex attachments from one of my California installations that I kept and will never give them up. Probably, most of the Filtex units and tools are still in use due to their quality and durability.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 12:14:21 (MDT)

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Charlie W.:

Found a plastic wand for your Electrolux Power Nozzle. It will fit and work correctly.

You most likely have the incorrect pivot arm on the PN-1 since you are experiencing problems with it's swing arc. Most likely you are using a PN-2 pivot arm instead of a PN-1, since the PN-2 neck can stand upright but the PN-1 neck cannot.

Doesn't matter. I have the wand for you and it will make it correct.

Let me know how you want to go about getting it. A visit in person would be lovely, but I could also send it to you.

Have a great holiday weekend.

TO EVAN ROGERS:

I have a perfect green dust bag for your Kirby Dual Sanitronic 80, if you still are looking for one. Let me know.

tom gasko
park hills, mo. USA - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 11:07:51 (MDT)

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Tom,

I thought the latch went on the right but when I did that, the opening for the suction made it go almost straight up instead of down towards the opening in the p/n. Maybe I have a later tourquoise neck on a too early p/n 1?

The cord was not the long all the way to the cleaner cord. This was the p/n 1 I bought from Tania in Chicago--a very nice early one without the words, "power nozzle" below the word Electrolux. It may have been modified before Tania got it. Anyway, one of my vac customers brought to me a tan G p/n 1 with a cracked sheath so I disassembled the Tania one, keeping the motorized head and putting the sheath on the customers p/n. I didn't want to autopsy Tania's but I have several others.

Besides, what vac shop or lux dealer would actually repair/replace a sheath, brushroll and belt for a p/n 1 for a customer these days? The lady was glad she brought it to me! Plus I did a Super J rebuilt for her and upgraded her p/n for that machine too.

Hey everybody, today, Saturday, September 4, is TANIA VOIGT'S BIRTHDAY! She does not have a computer so give her a call. She was awarded, "Most Outstanding Member, VCCC Chicago 2004", at this year's convention. I'm sure she would love to hear from as many of you as possible.

Thanks again Tom for the info and any additional is always appreciated. Have a great weekend away from the hurricane!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Saturday, September 04, 2004 at 07:12:28 (MDT)

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I'm finally going to get a central vac! It's one of the blue Filtex ones with the 2 motors on the outside if it. The shop doesn't have any attachments for it, and I think it has the pushbutton inlet relay. Does anyone have the metal Filtex attachments or inlets for this? All I would need are the attachments, not the hose because I could have one made.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 21:57:53 (MDT)

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To Charlie W.:

The latch for the PN-1 is on the right hand side, as you stand BEHIND the power head.

I'll check to see if I have a plastic wand for your power nozzle.

You sent ME a very early PN-1 for a model G several years ago, which I have in my collection with my perfect turquoise model G. I'm looking for the brown one to go with my brown (tan) model G.

Will let you know if I have a plastic wand. Since your machine has the early brush roller bearings, it should also have the one long, straight cord from the nozzle's motor to the cleaner, with no 'break' at the handle end.

tom gasko
park hills, mo. USA - Friday, September 03, 2004 at 11:04:19 (MDT)

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Hi all!

Today I picked up a Classic Omega. Not that uncommon right? This one came from a neighboring business to my mothers, and it had caught on fire one week ago. Luckily the Kirby made it through! Not suprising the thing smells like smoke and has tons of smoke damage. And we had a HUGE storm a few days ago and this thing had gotten wet while sitting in a smoked out office building. GROSS. Anyone have Fire restoration tips? It still runs but needs a major cleaning and overhaul. I have lots of work ahead of me dont I!

Happy Vacuuming!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Thursday, September 02, 2004 at 13:00:08 (MDT)

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Dear Vacuum Cleaner Folks,

Well, the good news is that my airline is still flying and it appears we may be around for at least a month or so! (We are hoping longer!)

Now down to business---does anyone have for free or for sale, a long plastic sheath used on the original Lux P/N1's? If so, please let me know.

Next, after the era of those sheath's began to end and Lux started making the P/N1s removable at the end of the metal wands via the spring clip, did the spring club go to the left, right or either left or right, and/or was it always on the top of the neck of the P/N? Does this make sense?

I have a near flawless VERY early P/N1 that is missing the long sheath so I substitued a tourquoise neck with the spring clip on the left side---that way the suction is correct to the P/N opening. However, you can't lift it very high or the P/N is off the rug. In comparing to the shealth models, it is very similar if not, the same in terms of how high you can lift it.

This particular one is so early, that the brushroll ends are not typical. The whole bearing end is in a metal thing that fits into the appropriate slots and there is NO cleanout hole.

Any advice or information will be appreciated as even though I was around in those days, I don't know all the different nuances between those early P/Ns.

Thanks in advance!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 16:23:44 (MDT)

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The good thing about the Royal is that it is in the trade in room, but I think they might want to use it for parts. And that would not be good.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 15:49:27 (MDT)

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I had one of the British collectors from the Yahoo site email me a couple of weeks ago, he's moving and as a result needs to downsize. I bought 4 cleaners from him, the first two of which arrived yesterday. #1 is a UK model 638 minus its motor that I got in trade for a US model 29. The 638 is almost identical to the US model 63, save for the bag lettering and cord clips being opposite from the US models, the unusual part is the footswitch which extends from under the base on the back left side, almost directly under the handle release. The cord runs down the handle and enters through the motor hood. The handle is two piece, and has a matching blue grip with "HOOVER" down the front. The biggest surprise was the 638's bottom plate. Instead of having the small fan cover as the US models, the 638 has a model 28 style plate, and is painted grey to match the base. The agitator looks to be the same as the US version, save for also being painted grey. Once I finish my month-end marathon at work, I can get a motor in it and see how it goes.

The 2nd arrival is model U4186, a PowerPlus Senior like RJ brought to the convention, just different colors and not dual voltage. The sound is just amazing.. when the motor first starts it sounds like a model 918, as it gets to its operating speed the sound changes to that like a model 61. I think the vintage is early 80's. One other interesting note is the UK top-filling type A style bag. Its smaller than our A bag(maybe like a Z or even a Y bag) and its reusable. The bottom is open and uses a slide on bag clamp.

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Amazing how things so similar could be so very different!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 16:50:59 (MDT)

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as usual looking for something naplifters for my lux shampooer has the brushes but not naplifters, anyone have a home brew for carpet solution on those

thx ron

ron d jones
rockingham, nc USA - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 13:17:29 (MDT)

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To Reggie:

GO GET THAT ROYAL. It's rare, and the power nozzle should EITHER be an Air-Way all metal RugMaster or a Royal-Built power nozzle using a Royal brush roller and the same belt as the upright - driven in the middle of the brush roller. I don't think any were sold with the "filter queen type" power nozzle. Let me know which power head it has. It 'should' also have a cord running along the hose to power the nozzle, however, Royal did come out with an electric hose at the VERY end of the run.

Don't let that one slip by. I sold one with the Royal-built power nozzle for several hundred dollars on eBay a couple years ago.

tom gasko
park hills, mo. USA - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 09:37:56 (MDT)

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I saw something strange today. It was one of the Royal canisters that looked like a Saniway. But this had a power nozzle. Is this a common thing, or something I should try to get nest time I go to that vacuum store.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Saturday, August 28, 2004 at 21:42:26 (MDT)

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To Fred S.:

I have a very good used pair of Carbon Brushes for your model 26 Hoover. Got them out of a motor that had bad bearings. If you'll email your address to me, I'll mail them to you. By the way, a few years ago I got a Hoover Cassette Quick Broom from you. It's one of the best electric brooms -- I use it all the time. Every time I use it (almost daily) I think about you. Thanks again.

tom gasko
park hills, mo. USA - Saturday, August 28, 2004 at 08:41:45 (MDT)

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Thanks so much Louis for all your hard work on the newsletter. I know this is really a lot of work. Just wanted you to kow that you are truly appreciated. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Friday, August 27, 2004 at 22:06:01 (MDT)

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Hey Guys!

I am still working on the newsletter. I had a few snafus......mainly with graphics and picture related work. It is now straightened out. Onward and upward! I am now looking for a target date of 9/10 for sure. I had to re-do one spread in order to rid the glitch I had encountered and as not to corrupt the remainder of the document. Let me tell you, it was very hairy for a few days!!!

That being said, I have also gotten pricing on the 4-page color spread of the convention pictures. The price will keep us within budget and though the pictures are not the greatest quality overall for newsletter reprinting, they will be just fine and will add a nice touch to the newsletter. Also, the picture spread will be on glossy paper as well as the front and back cover.

Talk with you soon!

Louis

Louis
Madison, CT USA - Friday, August 27, 2004 at 19:28:30 (MDT)

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Hi All!

I was wondering if someone out there had a specific part...

I have a Hoover model 26 that needs new carbon brushes, and up until about a month ago, they were an active part at Hoover. Well, now they have been discontinued--go figure... I don't know why I didn't order any... I could kick myself. We checked the computer, and nobody in the entire Hoover service field has them.

Anyways, the OLD part number is 4747, which then turned into part 162601. A lot of machines used the same carbon brushes, the 700, 300, 25, 750, 725, 800, 825, etc...

Even a decent used pair would be cool... I just want to get the machine up and running :)

Let me know!

Fred Stachnik
Milwaukee, WI USA - Friday, August 27, 2004 at 16:57:03 (MDT)

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To Marty,

as a supplement to what RJ posted, I have a Eureka Empress owners manual which shows your box top bag upright on the back cover. The manual is dated 1967.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, August 27, 2004 at 16:01:54 (MDT)

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To Morgan F.:

I went to Lowes today for a fire extinguisher (for when I cook) - and noticed the Electrolux display. Eureka Oxygen canisters are now called Electrolux, and the bags they had (type C) were indeed for the Eureka/Electrolux cleaner. However, on the shelf were bags to fit other makes, Panasonic, Electrolux, Eureka, Hoover, etc. Lowes had the four ply bags to fit Electrolux (tank type) type C - but they were on the shelf (on J hooks) rather than by the Eureka/Electrolux machines. Next time you go to the store, check them out. I would be surprised to see any bag manufacturer using single ply Electrolux tank bags today.

To Charlie Lester:

Here's a humorous story about eBay and it's excesses (which I know you and I both enjoy):

There was a brochure for a Rexair model A on eBay. One person had a bid on it, for $4.99, and I wanted the brochure. I decided (don't know why - but had a 'funny' feeling) to use bidsniper, which as you know, bids at the last moment - helping to win the auction. I bid $45 on bid sniper, thinking if no one else bid, I'd get it for little more than $5. I NEVER in my wildest dreams expected what came next. A crazy Rexair nut must have used bidsniper too, because at the last minute - they outbid me. Can you imagine paying $46 (the winning bid) for a single page brochure? I thought at first it was ME who won it, for $46, until I realized I'D been "sniped".

Mike Pletcher saw the auction, and mailed me an extra copy of the brochure that he had (Mike has EVERYTHING involved with literature or brochures), so it wound up that I got my brochure FREE. Had I known Mike had a copy, I would never had bid, and the Rexair nut wouldn't have had to pay $46 it.

Sniping auctions can sometimes backfire. I sure learned my lesson, even though it actually didn't cost me anything, and I got a FREE copy of the brochure I wanted to complete my Rexair model A collection.

tom gasko
park hills, mo. USA - Friday, August 27, 2004 at 09:41:27 (MDT)

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To Marty R:

Your Eureka 270 is a unique machine; to the best of my information, it was one of the first of the "Vanguard" models, which was Eureka's top of the line, in it's day. It was also one of the first to use the square-top bag, among the earliest series to use the square-top hood, and one of the LAST to use the top-loading tools. As far as I know, the original tools for it would have been off-white/beige color, though any top-loading tools will fit. The machine dates back to the later '60s, about 1967 or so.

You should be safe hand-washing the bag, provided you keep the top (cardboard) dry. I'd try dipping it in a basin with mild detergent and cool/lukewarm water, dipping only as far as the "crown" area of the bag. Then rinse the same way, and blot dry using some bath towels. Then hang by the spring to finish drying. I've found the fabric can wrinkle somewhat during the process; you may need to do some light pressing after it's dry. Good luck with it, and I'm looking forward to seeing it at next year's convention in L. A.!

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 at 23:12:31 (MDT)

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RJ, this question you'll be able to answer i hope. I found a Eureka upright model 270 today. It is the kind where the hose mounts to the top front of the cleaner and you seal off the nozzle at the bottom. It's a pale olive green and beige. It has a cloth eureka bag that is square on top. How can i wash the bag? I don't want to get the cardboard at the top of the bag wet, there are just water stains at the lower portion of the bag that i want to remove. Also, do you have any idea how old it is. I Have a box of attachments in green that are for a sanitare that i will display with this vacuum.

Does anyone have a spare green eureka crevice tool or three they can give to me or sell to me? They seem to be the hardest color to find!

Thanks!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 at 20:21:13 (MDT)

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Hi all,

Just quickly sticking my head in to say HI and to offer the usual belated apologies for elements of the web site being so out of date, specifically the President's Welcome Page. I do have new info from Prez Vanik to put up, just haven't had time to sit here and do it; same for archiving off last month's forum postings. Bear with me...

In other news, some of us Southern California Sweeper Nuts had a little quickie get-together in Palm Springs -- myself, Marty Rocha, Kyle Matthews, Rick Benedikt, and yet ANOTHER collector has surfaced in the Palm Springs area named Victor Lee. Whee! That makes almost a dozen in the greater Los Angeles area!

More to come, stay tuned----

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California USA - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 at 01:23:33 (MDT)

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Does anyone have or know someone who has a Silver King that they would like to sell? I am looking for a model with a power nozzle.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Monday, August 23, 2004 at 23:02:49 (MDT)

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Whats this I hear about an old vac shop? And cold and rain ruining vacs? Someone raiding an old vac shop or something? Wish I had one around here:D

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Monday, August 23, 2004 at 21:06:48 (MDT)

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Tom,

I am quite sure they were for the Model C Electrolux as they called it. It appeared to be that same style. If there had not been so many people in the store I would have opened a package just to check it out. There were three bags per pack. But the paper did not feel like multi wall. The packages were white in color.

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Monday, August 23, 2004 at 16:33:38 (MDT)

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To Morgan:

Are you sure that the Lowes Electrolux bags are not for the 'canister' models (which are really Eureka Oxygens)? "Electrolux" is a name for Eureka's products, and I can't see them carrying a competitor's (Aerus's) bags, as the name "Electrolux" is so confusing NOW in people's minds. Eureka is trying to sell their crappy Oxygen vacuums under the name Electrolux to people who don't know any better.

To BEN CLAYTON:

Had such a great time visiting with you and Jimmy Martin, Tania, and Mike, and going through that old vac shop. I'm glad you made it back home to New Jersey from Tennessee OK and that all your 'new' vacuums (for your collection) made it back safe and sound. I'm delighted to hear you now have a genuine Hoover 541 sateen bag.

We really MUST go back to the vac shop SOON (before the rain and cold weather ruin the vacs they have left). I need a rear bearing for an old Straight Suction Universal, and they probably had ten of the Universals sitting there. Besides, Tania left that GORGEOUS Electrolux model 61 sitting on the floor.

There must be 100 old Rexairs still in that 'rexair room'. I'm SURE there's another model 3 in there, since I did find the rug tool for one. Clay wants to go and get ALL the Rexairs so he can sell some of them on eBay. You know how that one weird Rainbow salesman in L.A. just loves to get hosed paying for old Rexairs. Well, Clay will hose him but good (smile).

Glad to hear you made it back home safe and sound. Next summer you'll have to visit again, maybe we can go see Stan Kann's collection one more time. Wasn't it just amazing?

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Monday, August 23, 2004 at 16:03:20 (MDT)

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While at Lowes today I noticed in their Electrolux display they now carry Type C Electrolux bags. From the package they did not feel like the multi wall filter paper. Has anyone else seen these bags on display and are they going to be harmfull replacements...

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Sunday, August 22, 2004 at 16:34:30 (MDT)

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Charlie Watrous

My best to your future. Keep us in mind when you decide what vacuums you will be selling! I am enjoying my Lux Super J that you advertised and I had to have. It is the cleanest, shinnest Lux that that I have in my collection. Many thanks again.

Norm Brown

Columbus, Ohio

Norm Brown
columbus, OH USA - Thursday, August 19, 2004 at 20:36:44 (MDT)

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To Michael LaBue

From a Chase employee in Columbus, Ohio. So sorry about the lose of your job with Chase. I just had

to offer my concern knowing that a fello vac collector has lost his job to the Great Merger! So far not many have fallen in Col. O. My best

to your future and maybe our paths will cross one day.

Norm Brown
columbus, Oh USA - Thursday, August 19, 2004 at 20:31:30 (MDT)

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My dear Michael,

Thank you for your sweet comments that have brought tears to my eyes. I was taught by my grandparents to help the ones we love and you and so many folks here are the ones I love.

Jeff, thank you for your advise and comments on the Hoover 150 and 28. You have confirmed many of the things I have always thought without having to look at the specs on the vacs!!

Members, due to the sad conditions at USAirways and the airline industry in general, I will be selling some of my vacuums via internet and other avenues. It seems a move will be impending. Hopefully, my vacs will find good homes and loving owners.

Thanks to all for their concern and advice.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Monday, August 16, 2004 at 22:28:08 (MDT)

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To Russ,

You should be able to get the proper size bags for the Singer at Sears, and if you watch ebay, occasionally there are Genuine Singer bags on there. The type to fit the old twin fan U series machines is now called SUB-1

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Monday, August 16, 2004 at 13:05:46 (MDT)

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My Dearest Charlie,

Please forgive me for not posting much sooner than today, since it's been two weeks, this past weekend that you hosted a wonderful weekend for myself and Mark Thomas. I am eternally great to you and Todd for sending me a buddy pass that made it financially feasible for me to make the trip. There a few Vac Club members that know I have been going through some tough times, with both my 90 y/o parents convalescing from broken hips, a personal calf injury that could have left permanent damage, and of course the lose of my job with JP Morgan Chase, all in a five week period. Not to mention the Dear John Letter. UGH!

Spending time with you, your wonderful partner Todd, and of course Mark Thomas, was a huge burden lifted even if it was for 3 days. Being able to laugh with you, play with your wonderful Kirby, Hoover, and Air-Way collection was a highlight. Our quite time together was most special. Your kind and very wise words helped immensely. You truly are one of my Best Friends.

Thank you my friend. I love you & our friendship!

Apologies to my good friend RJ Vanik, for not being available for our Sunday morning phone calls. Please forgive me RJ. My mood swings have been copious during these trying times. I promise to make it up to you someday soon, and chew your ear off. And you know I'm the one that can do that.

Chuck Chatham, Another good friend. Thank you very much for your continued phone calls, just to check on me. Even if I don't answer, those calls you know you mean allot to me. You will always be a great Friend.

And finally Ron Jones, Thank you very much for the Photo CD of the convention. GREAT SHOTS!!!!

This post is starting to sound like my epitaph. I"d better close now, before someone sends out the EMT just to make sure I'm still breathing. LOL

Best Wishes

Michael LaBue
New York, NY USA - Monday, August 16, 2004 at 07:20:31 (MDT)

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To: Owen & Jeff

Thank you for the Info, on the Singer & Sears vacuum cleaners.

Since i can not find older singer vacuum bags for my upright, Eureka f&g bags are to big. I have converted a hoover A bag with the plastic neck to fit. It works great.

Thanks, Russ Meninno

Russ Meninno
Easton, ma USA - Monday, August 16, 2004 at 05:31:02 (MDT)

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Is it possible to use Capture to clean a vacuum bag? I thought this might be safer for bags that might fade, but decided to ask someone that might lnow before I tried it.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Sunday, August 15, 2004 at 17:25:14 (MDT)

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Thanks everyone for the advice on cleaning the Kirby bag. I was going to wash it in the sink with woolite but Charlie, after reading you post i'm just gonna come to LA and have you do it!! LOL!!! Not really, i'll be careful.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs , Ca USA - Sunday, August 15, 2004 at 09:40:42 (MDT)

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Hi all,

Does anyone know manufactured dates of Royal Machines from the 600 series to the 800 series and any before that if they know. Thanks!

Good luck with that bag Marty, i learned the hard way how to clean a Kirby bag :(

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Sunday, August 15, 2004 at 00:30:45 (MDT)

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Why, oh why...

Do water heaters not last forever? I got a phone call from my father tonight... I wasn't home... "Fred, you may want to come home... something went on the water heater, and it has been leaking, and re-filling, and leaking, and re-filling..."

So, I get home and there's between a quarter inch and a half inch of water across the better part of the basement. My carpets did as carpets do, and soaked up water..

So, 6 hours of hard labor, lots of gallons of water, emptying the shop vac over and over, later... All of the machines that are nice, and part of my 'core collection' are fine, being up on shelves--a few inches above the floor.. Nothing too bad yet. Lost a few boxes, some bags. Tomorrow its back downstairs to sort other things, make a garbage pile (nothing vacuum related), and letting things dry.

All will be fine, I just thought I'd share my weekend terror.. As my friend put it, hurricaine charlie hit Florida--and my basement. :)

I'm just thankful that I invested in that shelving, or I'd really be up the creek without a paddle. Hope all is well with everyone else!

I'm gonna try to get some sleep now..

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Sunday, August 15, 2004 at 00:03:31 (MDT)

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Marty, I hope you haven't washed that bag yet. As one who has had a lot of experience with this, and who has shed more than a few tears by ruining beautiful bags by washing them in the washing machine, I feel I am particularly qualified to address this.

The lettering on all Kirby bags from the very first Scott & Fetzer Sanitation System up until the 562 was applied via silk-screening. Silk screen ink is a thick, oil-based, paint-like ink that goes onto the cloth in a thick layer. Over time, as the oil in the ink evaporates, the ink becomes ever drier and more brittle. The older the bag, and the more heat it's been exposed to, the more fragile will the lettering be.

The ONLY safe way to wash these Kirby bags is to wash them in a large tub of COOL (not hot, not cold) water, with a very mild detergent like Woolite. Immerse the bag in the tub of water and just let it soak for a COUPLE of minutes -- not longer than 2-3 minutes. Then GENTLY agitate the bag by taking each end in your hand and swishing it back and forth. Keep your eyes on the logo and at ANY sign of flaking or peeling, immediately remove the bag from the water.

If it appears the logo is standing up okay, you can use a soft brush, like a large shoe-shine brush, to gently scrub the bag. And I mean GENTLY!

You can scrub the inner walls a bit more vigorously but you still have to be very careful.

After the bag is well cleaned, remove it from the tub and hang it on the clothesline UPSIDE DOWN -- attach the smaller spring-coil side of the bag with several clothes pins. Hanging it upside down will allow it to dry faster.

With the gentlest "rain" type setting on your garden hose, thoroughly rinse the bag to remove all the detergent. Don't use a strong force of water and don't direct the water directly on the logo for a long period of time.

Just let the bag air dry. Out in the desert, it shouldn't take more than a couple of hours. In L.A. it usually takes a good long sunny day.

DO NOT machine-dry the bag; it will shrink and you'll surely lose more logo if you do.

I have done a lot of research into stuff like artist's oil pastel sealants to see if anything like this would protect the logo on Kirby bags. I even took a bag into an art supply store; showed the owner; explained what I wanted to do. He did not know offhand of anything that could definitely be used for sealing silkscreen ink. He suggested trying a couple of things -- spray sealer etc., but I haven't gotten the nerve to try any of them yet.

Hope I'm not too late.......!

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Saturday, August 14, 2004 at 23:48:29 (MDT)

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Marty,

I would advise against ANY machine with an agitator, use the front loaders if you decided to use a washer, ive lost the whole front of a logo on a Kirby bag by using the top loaders with the agitator in, even on gentle because you dont know how fraile the logo is) the center. After that i wouldnt risk it unless it has no logo. Also, remember to use COLD water, warm and hot water fades as you might know!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Saturday, August 14, 2004 at 22:26:48 (MDT)

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Marty,

You can even wash that bag in the washer of you like. Woolite is fine, but regular detergent is also fine, just use a small amount. Use the machine's gentle cycle, and fill the washer completely full of water(large load)

I have an Amana washer, its gentle cycle alternates agitating and soaking, I've washed many bags and they've come out fine.

When you're all done washing, run the bag through one last spin cycle on the fast spin speed, and hang it up to dry.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Saturday, August 14, 2004 at 22:09:32 (MDT)

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Marty

Ive never really had any problems using a regular detergent, and ive washed a lot of bags too. Any type should really work..at least i think so because its always worked for me..just becareful the logo doesnt come off! :D

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Saturday, August 14, 2004 at 20:49:26 (MDT)

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Hi All,

I picked up a Kirby 518 with the original bag! I took the bag of the sani-emptor and have vacuumed it inside and out. I want to wash it now but am not sure how. Will Woolite work? I'll wash it in the sink . Help!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Saturday, August 14, 2004 at 20:16:02 (MDT)

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Charlie,

The 150 is 340 watts, the 28 is 300, not a huge difference as far as power goes, and as we all know, watts/amps do not clean carpets, airflow does.

With regard to the fans, the 150's does have more fins than the 28's, but again the last Convertibles used a 6-blade fan, with virtually no difference in the amount of air being moved.

All I can offer here is an opinion. Since both cleaners have similar power motors, and the brush rolls were almost identical(the 150's original had 4 beater bars on it) The main differences were in how the cleaner's sat on the carpeting. The 150 had the step on rug adjuster with the floating front wheels, the 28 the spring loaded rear wheels. The 150 is much more adjsutable to rug depth, and then therefore probably cleans a little better. Given the other similarities, The difference in performance of the two machines is probably very small.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, August 13, 2004 at 16:02:17 (MDT)

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To Charlie W.:

Dysons, Hoovers, Eurekas, etc. are mostly sold through mass merchants. Many times, people are not smart enough to get the machine assembled, or decide it is too heavy, or can't figure it out, all kinds of silly things. Sometimes, (often), it's buyer's remorse for the money they spent. (I did that once with a Viking dishwasher - loved the machine - hated having spent $1600 on a dishwasher - returned it and bought a Maytag - pocketed $1000 to spend on vintage vacs).

To Charlie Lester:

I'm so happy your Electrolux XXX is selling well on eBay. I really like the salesman's attachment caddy. You were the first person to tell me about them. I saw several this past weekend at the closed vac shop I visited. They stick up WAY too far for someone to use while vacuuming. Didn't know that it actually fastened to the model LX. Never knew what the screw was for directly above the exhaust opening. It didn't seem to hold anything. Well, now I know. It screwed onto that tool rack.

I was so excited about finding all the Rexairs, models A, B, and C, and in such quantity. They must have had 200 in one room.

In this shop's area, the Electrolux salesmen encouraged people to keep the carton for storage.

There were HUNDREDS of XII, XXX, and LX (and some LX-1) machines STILL IN THEIR ORIGINAL BOX.

The machines were trade in's and certainly well used, but the BOXES were there. I got a gorgeous AF box for my AF.

I never saw so many Modern Hygiene's in my life. Or Atlas and Jet 99's.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Friday, August 13, 2004 at 10:08:14 (MDT)

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Jeff,

Thanks for the inside story. I kind of fiqured that it was something like that. I guess I'm just sort of surprised by the number of returns. (I shouldn't be based on just the number of divorces I see!)

Remember the Hoover 28 Brother Chris gave me with the very rare optional W Handisac adapter? Well, I have been using on the 28 after a "clean up" of the vacuum. Last night for fun, I put it on my 150. I took the original brushroll out of the 150 and put in a Hoover replacement with white nylon canoe strip brushes helixed and curved beater bars. Mike Rogers explained to me several conventions ago how the curve made for much better cleaning.

After the modification, I vacuumed my upstairs and it sure was fun. That 150 is a terrific vacuum that works on today's berber just fine. I do want your opinion on one thing, which do you think is more powerful, the 28 or the 150? I've never looked at the amps/watts for either which would probably tell me the answer!

It seems that the 150 has double the number of blades on the fan than the 28 but that does not always indicate more power or a better cleaner.

Thanks!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Friday, August 13, 2004 at 07:30:00 (MDT)

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Charlie,

More than likely those vacuums were store returns, defective for one reason or another out of the box. They are returned to the manufacturer, repaired, and then re-sold. Since they're not "new" they wind up with the disclaimer on their box, and usually wound up being sole someplace such as Big Lots. Given the quality of the mass-merchant vacuums today, I suspect there are LOTS of these "refurbished" machines to be had...

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, August 12, 2004 at 19:10:26 (MDT)

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Dear Gang,

If anyone is looking for a very reasonably priced Dyson,let me share some information with you. A company called Heartland, (phone: 800-229-2901), from Chaska, MN, is selling two models. The top of the line Animal, (all purple) and the middle of the road model, like the one the club has, (purple and red) for really low prices.

However, in the ad in their magazine, it states next to both models, "Factory serviced to meet original quality standards. May have slight cosmetic blemishes." Somebody, somewhere, has purchased these vacuums and returned them and this company is now selling them refurbished.

The deluxe animal, #A9-36694 is $299.99 and the slightly lesser model, #A9-36693 is $249.99. Neither price includes shipping which is $13.95 for either one.

They also have refurbished, the Eureka Whirlwind bagless, ($69.99) and the Hoover Self-Propelled Windtunnel, ($149.99), again refurbished with the above stated disclamer in the ad.

Are vacuum buyers that disillusioned with the current crop that so many are being returned that they show in discounter's catalogues? Or were they lemons to begin with? Are they factory recalls? Repos? Interesting to say the least.

I'm glad there are no Air-Ways, Rainbows, Electroluxs or Kirbys. But we all know those are out there too--just through different venues.

Have a good weekend.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Thursday, August 12, 2004 at 17:56:23 (MDT)

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Martin,

The model i beleive is a 1348. All green.

Thanks.

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Wednesday, August 11, 2004 at 22:16:25 (MDT)

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James W.

What is the model number on that apartment sized hoover? Is it from the 50's or 60's. I may be interested.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Wednesday, August 11, 2004 at 21:16:07 (MDT)

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Hi all,

Ive still got the Hoover Apartment Vacuum that needs a home. These were only made in england and very few were made here in the states (or so im told) Im to the point where i will take anything for it. Im really looking for Royals right now so if anyone has an old royal or a couple for parts that would like to trade for the apartment vac please contact me. I also have a Eureka 240 that needs a lot of work, again, ill take anything for it. And a very nice Hoover U4014 thats in wonderful condition that also would like a home. If anyone has a few metal uprights (Kirby, Royal) that they would like to trade for, please contact me as i need to clean out my closet.

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Wednesday, August 11, 2004 at 16:18:23 (MDT)

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To Jeff and Owen

I can tell you first hand about Eureka and the Sanitaire commerical line.

I worked for Eureka, as a sales rep. starting

to work Feb. 1,1979. My first week of work was

going to the factory convention, being held in

New Orleans (first time ever away from Chicago).

They introduced the lite blue self propelled for

Aug 79 market. I know that one or the next brown/

tan model was model 5070. I have a salesmans case

full of flyers from that time and many other vacs.

The Purple line of ESP's (Extra Suction Power)

models had been introduced in "78. They were

fantastic compared to any Hoover Convertable of

the time. Attachments had a suction pull of al-

most 45-50 of water lift. The earlier, lite-weight red or orange 1400 (small 6 AMP motor)

had metal fans and then later the lexan!

It was a very exciting time to sell retail dealers

vac shops a simple, lite weight (compared to a Kirby) powerful machine. Hoover was introducing

the concept series at the time. Panasonic was

the new guy on the block. Panasonic was powerful, liter

weight plastic and convient hose attachment.

I had been completely sold on Kirby, even done

some door-to-door my self. Until I went with

Eureka. It was a great experience for almost

3 years, then I opened my own Vac Sales and Service here in Col Ohio.

I best stop for now, I could go on all night!

Thanks,

Norm Brown

P.S. The ESP series encluded a wide track machine

16" wide nozzle to compete with Kirby, It was a

leader in the commercial market, in the sanitaire

line up.

Norm Brown
Col, Oh USA - Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 21:32:49 (MDT)

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I just got back from North Canton this afternoon, I see I have some catching up to do...

Reggie: If that grey PVC bag is on a 913 its a genuine Hoover replacement bag. The US 913-918 cleaners were originally equipped with black bags.

Russ: That Twin fan Sears upright was made by Singer. Singer and later Ryobi made those cleaners for Sears well into the 1980's

Tom Gasko: Its not always about you. Its not even that I dislike the Dyson, IN MY OPINION there are way better choices for the money. Now if you want to use a bagless machine thats decent(again in my opinion) there is one I've tried and liked very much: The Eureka/Sears bagless cyclonic canister that was out a few years ago. No pleated filters on that one, and I thought it cleaned very well and was really easy to use. For the money Dysons cost, I'd rather have something thats not all plastic(such as a metal Royal, a Filter Queen or even an Airway)....

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 20:20:22 (MDT)

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To Jeff Parker:

I hope you don't dislike Dysons just because I like them so much. My hated arch ememy in this world (Carmine DeFazio) does just that. I think the world of your knowledge and opinion. You're such a smart man, and very well respected - I hope you try to understand the 'why' of the machine. Next meeting we should make some time to sit down and talk about them.

The Dyson doesn't clog its filter with dirt. That's really its claim to fame. Can you imagine, for the cleaning contest, if we used a vac with a pleated filter? Like a Vision or Windtunnel type? We'd be all day scraping the dirt off the filter. And can you imagine the dust that would fly around the room? Horrible. We could always try the club's V2 Hoover in LA - but I believe the Dyson would be much cleaner to use - and wouldn't clog with our test dirt the way a pleated filter would.

The small diameter brush roller's fault, truly, is that it winds hair around it.

The reason it's a small diameter is simple. If it took up any more room in the nozzle, dirt from a bare floor (when the brush is NOT turning) would stick in the brushes. If the brush roller is a large diameter, it won't clean bare floors without the dirt dropping out that never made it into the intake hose.

The next model (DC15) has a brush roller the size and shape of a Windtunnel brush. Great, aggressive brush for rugs, but cat litter gets stuck in the bristles.

Guess one can't have it all.

By the way, several of our club members (myself included) went to a closed vac shop this past weekend. It was a blast. Got my 'holy grail', an Apex "which way" model 160 (and for $5). There was a bag (original) for a Hoover Senior I accidentally left. Need to go back for that, and a Lewyt Electronic. Didn't have room this time.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 16:14:29 (MDT)

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Hey Everyone!

I'm wondering if anyone has an interest in purchasing the Hoover EmPower that I brought along to the convention..? I cleaned it out when in got home from Chicago, and it has been sitting in my dining room since June. I don't think I'm going to use it, I still prefer my 63, Convertibles and my Miele. I thought I'd ask here before I throw it on eBay. I still have the box, the manual, and the powered hand tool. I'm asking what I paid for it, (150something) and I would cover the shipping. Let me know!

I hope everyone is doing well!

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 12:09:49 (MDT)

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Russ,

Sears doesn't produce their own stuff, they commission manufacturers to private-label merchandise for them. I have seen the twin-fan uprights like you describe with the Sears name on them, even though they were produced by Singer. Sears didn't buy out Singer, they just had Singer vacuums private-labelled for them.

If I'm correct, they do this with pretty much everything. Our Craftsman lawnmower (soon to be replaced with a nice new commercial Lawn-Boy) looks suspiciously like a Troy-Bilt. And I'll bet Whirlpool made the Kenmore dishwasher we used to have, and the Kenmore washer and dryer the previous owners had.

Does anyone know who is making the current Kenmore canisters? A few years ago they looked just like Panasonics, but now they use cheap, tiny little motors and a different body design. I can't think of any brands that the current canisters resemble. Also, who knows who made their uprights a few years back that used the 50688 bags? The deluxe ones had the "Whispertone" name on them, and were two-motor jobs. Any ideas?

Owen Perkins
Naperville, IL USA - Monday, August 09, 2004 at 20:29:02 (MDT)

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Hi, Everyone

Can anyone tell me if Sears bought out the Singer Co. in the 1970's ? I'am asking because i just picked up two upright vacuum cleaners, one is a Singer with a plastic base # U58 & other one is Sears Kenmore is also a plastic base #175-3670.

They look identical with two speed motors.

thank you for any info.

Russ

Russ Meninno
Easton, Ma. USA - Monday, August 09, 2004 at 06:02:48 (MDT)

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To the forum,

I recently bought a very nice Bison Mark II on Ebay, and was wondering if anyone might have a set of attachments for it that they would be willing to give or sell to me.

Thanks

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Saturday, August 07, 2004 at 13:26:59 (MDT)

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Jeff,

I also have a Hoover question. I found a 913 in a thrift store a couple weeks ago, all it needed were new brush strips. The bag it has is gray instead of black and has these little plastic like lines on it, they look kind of like the design on the new Hoover commercial bags. It also has a vinyl thing on the top right side of the bag that has the Hoover symbol and say "heavy duty" under it, is this the original bag?

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Saturday, August 07, 2004 at 01:46:08 (MDT)

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Owen,

My neighbor's Dyson's main fault(in my opinion anyway) is its brush roll. Its too small diameter seems to catch all the hair and keep it. I've cleaned it out for him a couple of times, so full of dog/cat hair you can't even see the brush! I'm at a loss as to why it does this, as it doesen't seem to be clogged up anyplace.

I've emailed you the U7008 pics, and you should definately hang on to those Commercial machines you have. So many were used and absued and then tossed, that surviving ones today are indeed a treasure.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, August 06, 2004 at 21:21:16 (MDT)

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Jeff,

Thanks, I've been wanting to know about that commercial Hoover for a few months now, since I found it in the barn off the house my boss just moved into. Presumably it was used to clean the house for a while, then stuck there, because I don't see much use for it in a barn with just cememt floors.

I'm surprised that your neighbor has had such poor results with the Dyson. Do you know what part of the machine is 'choking' on the hair? Dog hair itself doesn't really clog a vacuum unless the bag (or bin) is packed full, but I would wonder about the ability of the brushroll to remain hair-free if the dog hair was long enough. We've got a customer who has a couple of Collies, and she used to just burn through brushrolls for her Royal. She now uses a compact canister with a suction-only rug tool, and THEN the Royal.

Let us know when you get those pictures up; I'm interested to see the Australian Heavy-Duty Hoover. Shipping must have been horrible. Does the cleaner have a different base assembly to accomodate the Convertible agitator, or is it a special agitator that just used Convertible-type brushes?

While thinking of paint jobs on bases, I did have another question for you. In your collection, there was a model 60 that had a really nice-looking, glossy base. Obviously the paint job isn't original, but I was wondering if you did that, or if you got it from another collector that way. It made the cleaner look really nice.

Owen Perkins
Naperville, IL USA - Friday, August 06, 2004 at 10:53:59 (MDT)

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Owen,

The U7057 is a 1980 model, an updated(new colors) version of the U7019. The original bag on the U7057 would have been grey with the black pvc dots on it with a screened on Hoover medallion and "Hoover Commercial" lettering. It cost $109.99 new, and was available with either the beater bar or 4-brush agitator.

As for the "D" vacuum, I have nothing really against it, I just feel there are better choices out there for the money. My neighbor across the street just bought one of the animal models. He has 2 dogs and 2 cats and was absolutely convinced that vacuum would be "it" for cleaning. Instead he's dealing with a machine that chokes on all the animal hair. We even saw it at the convention where Fred Stachnik's Concept One pulled out almost 2 cups of dirt from the test rug when only 1 cup had been put down. I've heard more people express interest in those cleaners just because of their looks than because they are some super vacuum.

I just added a 4th heavy duty commercial machine to my collection, a 1980 model U7008 that came from Brisbane Australia. This is basically the same as our U7037 with the rubber shroud covering the base, I just thought it would be fun to have the Australian version. I spotted the cleaner on ebay, won the auction, and then had it shipped to my friend John in Sydney, then he shipped it airmail to me. The cleane is all original, in beautiful shape, and runs perfect. The biggest surprise is the Aussie model has a convertible style agitator in it with slide in brushes. I'll put a picture of it up on Hooverland when I get back from Ohio next week.

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, August 06, 2004 at 08:01:29 (MDT)

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Jeff,

While we're on the subject of commercial vacuums, when do you think a Hoover Commercial model U7057 would have been made? It's all fire engine red, with a metal base and switch in the handle bail. The handle and furniture guard are black, and the cord is gray. I'm assuming the original bag (which was missing when I found the cleaner) was the same fire-engine red as the cleaner, and presumably a cloth shake-out deal.

I really like the cleaner, and use it in the basement along with another cleaner that you'd rather not know the name of (hint: starts with "D" and ends with "yson"), but the paint on the base is flaking off in places from having been out in a barn for fifteen years. What I'm doing now is taking the machine all apart, wire-brushing all the paint off the handle bail and base, and then buffing them so the base will look like one on one of the early Guardsmans. I'm also contemplating ordering a new black hood for the cleaner, since the old one has quite a few scratches on the top. We'll see how the thing looks once I get it all buffed.

I was admiring the Heavy Duty Hoovers in your basement during the tour of your collection, like the 913, 918, etc. I have two 913s in my collection, both in good shape (one near-perfect, it was at the Convention), that I just love. I used one of them at work for a while, before I brought that commercial Eureka down.

How did you 'hot-rod' your 1070? I know I put a square handle, a four-row agitator and a six-amp motor on a 593 once and used that for a while before I sold it, but I'd like to know what modifications you did to suit your preferences.

Owen Perkins
Naperville, IL USA - Friday, August 06, 2004 at 01:50:30 (MDT)

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Owen,

Every now and again my Sanitaire gets used. Its current brush roller is a 4-row VG-1 which gets Jack's hair off the floor pretty well. Problem is my current carpeting...its too flat and the damn vacuum just sticks to it on one setting, and the next higher is too high...

My main house cleaning vacuums remain the Hoover 1070 that I hot rodded, and the Royal.

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, August 05, 2004 at 20:33:51 (MDT)

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Jeff,

I did get a chance to see that Sanitaire. It's in fantastic shape for its age, and that is amazing that you've put so few parts into it. Of course, I'm used to the local restaurants bringing in their Sanitaires to get new bases, handle yokes, fans, and motor bearings every year, so a well-maintained commercial Sanitaire is a nice break. I have an SC888 that is the first cleaner I bought new, on January 8, 2000. It's still in very good shape, but I have replaced the brush strips and the outer bag a few times.

Your Sanitaire has the wider rear wheels, right? That's how they all are now, except the crappy little Maid Saver with its 5 amp blender motor. I like the original Sanitaires, like the SC686, that have the narrower rear wheels.

Do you ever use your Sanitaire anymore, or do you typically stick with Hoovers or your Royal 2028 for daily vacuuming?

Owen Perkins
Naperville, IL USA - Thursday, August 05, 2004 at 20:05:47 (MDT)

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Tom,

Thanks for that info, its nice to know a little more about these machines. Im starting to catch up on all of the Kirbys I want and Im attracted to Royals just a bit more and no one ive talked to knows much about them. Thanks again!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Thursday, August 05, 2004 at 10:51:55 (MDT)

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Owen,

I want to say that the Eureka Self-propelled models came out somewhere about 1982 maybe? I remember them in the stores, and even owned one in the late 1980's that I wound up giving to my sister because I could not stand it. I believe she's still using it today too.

I remember the first Sanitaires well, my church bought one shortly after they came out in 1979(The Sanitaire replaced a 1975 model Sears Kenmore Duo power upright)It was a good cleaner, however the janitor was always breaking fans on it. I finally put a metal fan on it and when that went it blew the whole base apart. Thats when the Sanitaire was replaced with a Hoover Guardsman.

Did you notice the Sanitaire in my collection? I bought that one new in 1986, I was working part-time for a cleaning service then cleaning some offices and LOTS of model homes. At one time I calculated that vacuum was sweeping 30,000 sq feet of carpeting a weekend. I had to replace a few brushrolls and handle sockets, and converted it to paper bags, but that cleaner worked well and was very sturdy. The thing I find most amusing is in all the use that cleaner has had, I've only changed the light bulb once, and the fan/quik-kleen cover once.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, August 05, 2004 at 08:53:53 (MDT)

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Jeff,

Thanks very much for that information. I'm also glad to know about the appearance of the first Sanitaire machines, as I have two early Sanitaires (an SC686 and an SC699) that I've always wondered about age-wise. It's too bad that Eureka and Hoover now are all plastic-base, even on their commercial machines. Hoover at least got it right with the steel-lined fan chamber, but they really ought to keep a line of metal-base "extreme duty" machines around. We replace quite a few commercial Sanitaire bases each year for the larger janitorial accounts, because they crack right where the handle yoke bolts on. It's from throwing the machines down stairs and into vans, mostly.

I did love seeing the Eureka posters while we toured your basement during the Convention. There's one I took a picture of, that showed the first self-propelled machine Eureka brought out, blue with the foil down the bag. I rebuilt one of those machines recently. Do you know when that cleaner was introduced?

Thanks again for the info.

-Owen

Owen Perkins
Naperville, IL USA - Thursday, August 05, 2004 at 01:34:40 (MDT)

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Hi everyone.

had a very interesting thing happen today. I went to Colorado Springs to see the Silver King head offices. I was very surprised when I got there, it was ony a 5 room office in a small office building. You went in to the first room where the secretary's desk is. there were 4 rooms off of it. 2 rooms had windows into the main one, they wre offices. There other 2 were more storage type rooms, one had the door closed, and the other was open and empty except for a couple small boxes and the Silver King they used to clean with.

I also met the vice president of Silver King. The strange part was that when we first asked the secretary about seeing where they make them, she sounded like they might let me, but the vice president said they never let people do that, and my mom also asked how many vacuums they sell in a year - "We don't release that informaion."???? But she was really nice. And my mom and me looked for the building they make them in, but couldn't find it.

Does anyone have any more information about the company, or where they actually make them, or possibly a Silver King with a power nozzle they don't want?

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Wednesday, August 04, 2004 at 21:04:09 (MDT)

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Owen,

That Eureka is probably from the early/middle 1970's. Eureka began using the plastic base about 1974 on its cheapie 1400 series cleaners, and by 1976 all of their household cleaners were on the plastic chassis. By 1978 they all had plastic fans too. Eureka didn't really have much of the commercial market back then, it was mostly owned by Hoover, and believe it or not, Kirby had a pretty strong commercial presence back then. If my memory serves me, The first Sanitaires made their appearance about 1979, after Eureka introduced the brandywine ESP series.

Hope this helps

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, August 04, 2004 at 11:34:06 (MDT)

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To James W.:

Royal began to build vacuum cleaners (the model 1) in 1910. In 1914, they made what many consider their finest cleaner, the Royal Standard. In 1924, Royal upped the power of the motor and moved the bag opening from the left side to the right hand side and called it a Royal Super. In 1928, Royal added a moth crystal dispensing ring to the suction opening (and a built in brush to the nozzle) and called it a Royal Purifyer. In 1930, a modified Purifyer was sold as the Health-Mor. The first model called an Electro-Hygiene was the Purifyer, sold to vac shops under the E.H. name in cities that also had Royal dealers. Soon, the name "crown" was added as a 'model' to the Royal Super line. In 1935, Royal brought out their revolving brush uprights, which were named Royal and Electro-Hygiene for the two different retail types.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Tuesday, August 03, 2004 at 12:58:21 (MDT)

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Hello,

Anyone know when Eureka went from a metal base to a plastic base? I'm trying to figure out the relative age of an old Eureka commercial upright I got off eBay (and paid too much for--AGAIN). It has a metal base, metal fan, the old square-end brushroll, and the handle has the metal cord wraps that were bolted on. The hood is chrome with a headlight, Sanitaire-style switch right on the hood, and an orange-painted base. Gray bag and cord. The model number is C20--, but the cleaner is at work so I don't have the exact model number.

I love the old Eureka cleaners that used a motor that looks exactly like the motors in Sanitaire cleaners, yet only draws 3.5 amps instead of 7. Makes the machine run much quieter, not that the noise of a Sanitaire is anything to complain about.

Anyone have any ideas on the age of this cleaner?

-Owen

Owen Perkins
Naperville, IL USA - Tuesday, August 03, 2004 at 11:42:46 (MDT)

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i bought a Blondie dvd last week that in one episode Blondie is emptying her model 28 i think hoover also in that episode was aold wringer washer she was trying out new circa 1945

ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Sunday, August 01, 2004 at 16:14:04 (MDT)

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Hello all,

Im having problems with a fellow collector. we cant figure out ANYthing about the Royal Metal uprights. The bag graphics and such throw us off. I was wondering if anyone had any info on the Royal Company and Electro Hygiene, such as Manufactured dates, or general info. Anything would be a GREAT help! Thank you!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 22:30:21 (MDT)

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Dear Friends,

Thank you for all your good wishes, prayers, cards and phone calls during this time of my illness. I am glad to report that I am back on my feet and even taking a required class this week to keep my Illinois Teachers' certification current.

The strokes that I experienced (and there where several) are due to a protein deficency in my blood, which I have been told I have had my whole life. There is no cure, I will be on a blood thinner, Coumadin the rest of my life. I understand that Coumadin is rat poison! Scary!!!

Ken Wagman

Ken Wagman
Capron, IL USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 17:47:56 (MDT)

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To Ron Jones:

It seems old GE's just flock to you. The GE from the meeting was very nice - I just love that particular design. The round canister GE you got from the Sunday Junking was the last really NICE GE round canister. They outdid themselves, all the way from the foot pedal to the drapery nozzle. Congrats.

tom g.
park hills, mo USA - Tuesday, July 27, 2004 at 09:07:39 (MDT)

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my sunday (JUNKING ) TURNED UP A GE cord reel cleaner avacado and chrome even hard the heard to find floor tool with it all good except cord reel isnt working. it is identical to the one Ken Wagman had in kentucky the june Cleaver special and only 10 bucks

ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 21:48:34 (MDT)

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Jeff,

Thanks for the advice and the color tips. This machine sounds great, i just can't put a new belt on it!!!

Martin Rocha
Palm Spring , Ca USA - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 14:28:34 (MDT)

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Marty,

The original color scheme of the 27 was Irridium grey and Maroon. The base of the cleaner should be grey, and then the bumper and cord would be black. The hood color is tough to match, as a standard grey color has too much blue in it. I'd recommend using a medium tan for the hood.

You're also on the right track with using the WD-40 for the agitator clips. Just be patient, and if its really rusted bad allow the stuff to soak in overnight. Those clips will never easily come up, but you should be able to get the agitator out by gently using a screwdriver to move the clips.

Hope this helps!

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Monday, July 26, 2004 at 12:52:23 (MDT)

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Attention Hoovertons:

i was given a hoover model 27 from a friend. It belonged to his neighbor who used it up until 2000. She then bought a windtunnel(?) What was the original color scheme for the 27. When i first saw it i thought it was a 28. The bakelite hood is all brown but the sides do look like they were a different color. I want to get some paint and try to restore it to it's original state, as close as i can anyway. The brush roll also appears to be rusted in place. It will turn, it just won't come out. I'm trying WD40 right now but so far no luck. Any suggestions?

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Sunday, July 25, 2004 at 02:42:03 (MDT)

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The GE, for everyone that saw the Ge I got at the convention and Thanks to Tom Gasko, for the bags i got her cleaned up today and she is purring like a kitten, anyone wanting a Cd disk of pictures from the meeting email me your address and ill be glad to mail u a copy

ron

Ron Jones
rockingham, nc USA - Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 15:13:38 (MDT)

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I have a beautiful, near-mint Electrolux Model F that has just suffered a great tragedy. In the process of rearranging my vacuum cleaner display and just generally cleaning and streamlining the place, my vacuums are all stacked hither and yon all over the place.

(Those with big collections in small residences can commiserate ....... one of these days I'm gonna have a big, open space like an artist's loft where I can have my collection displayed properly -- AND still be able to turn around without knocking something over.)

Anyway, I was going down the hall carrying a big box in my arms and I brushed next to the F which was standing there on end. It tipped over and fell, and in the process one of the rear wheels shattered. WAAAAAAHHHH!!!! :((

I have always been SOOOOOOO careful with my AEs and Fs because I know how brittle the wheels are. After so many years, it breaks my heart that this has finally happened. It's especially bad because replacing those wheels is no simple matter. They are permanently riveted onto the axle and there's no way to remove the old wheels without damaging the rivet on the axle. Not that I know of, anyway. The entire rear end of the motor housing (the rear white section) has to be replaced, if, that is, you want to retain original wheels.

So ....... I am surely hoping that someone out there may have a spare "rear" for a Model F that's in really really nice condition -- no scratches etc., and, of course, with really nice original wheels. If someone does, please contact me and let's see what we can work out.

Thanks very much---

~

C

P.S. If you wanna see photos of my early and late Model F, see http://www.137.com/af ... wish I still had those spare machines, but they got chucked at one of my Great American Garage Clean-ups....... :(

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, July 23, 2004 at 16:25:38 (MDT)

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To Ron Jones:

Which part exactly on your Hoover power nozzle is broken? It is the black plastic main housing that the brush roller and motor sit in? Or is it the motor housing itself? I have several parts to those power nozzles that I've salvaged, so I am sure I can help you out.

I'm delighted you got the GE bags. You have such a nice one (GE that is), which I saw at the meeting. I was saving those bags for someone in the club. Glad you were the guy.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 12:38:15 (MDT)

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Another reminder that club members are welcome to avail themselves of the private areas of the site. In particular, if people would send me their "Wish Lists" and "For Sale / Trade" lists, I will be glad to post this sort of stuff on the "Members Only" page...

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 23:47:23 (MDT)

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Hi, so, where are all the meeting photos?! Yes, I know, it will probably be NEXT June before I get time to post them but if those of you who took them could please email them to me, I'll at least have them. A number of people have emailed to ask me about it. Do please send digital photos or scans only please ... in JPG format. I just don't have time to sit and scan piles and piles of photos. Most photo processing places give you the option of getting photos on a CD -- even if you have already had your photos developed, you can take the negatives back and have the photos burned onto a CD. If you need my mailing address, it's on the membership list. Thx! :)

btw already making preparations for VCCC: LOS ANGELES 2005!! I've started cleaning and organizing my display center; have begun setting aside stuff for "door prize" giveaways for visitors to Casa Electrolux!!

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 23:45:52 (MDT)

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Does anyone have a quadraflex hoover power nozzle for a dimmension 1000 its blue, mines has a broken motor housing

also Tom Gasko got the GE bags thanks a lot

Ron

ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 18:17:52 (MDT)

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A little birdie reminded me that our newsletter editor has a birthday on Thursday. It is just a good time to say Thank you for all the time and effort that goes into each and every issue.

Happy Birthday Louis

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 09:05:43 (MDT)

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Hi,

I have a Hoover Apartment Vac that i dont really want. Most of you might have seen it on EBAY. I didnt think i would win and now i have it. I would gladly Trade with someone for a Royal Or Kirby if anyone wants to. Please contact me if you are interested!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Monday, July 19, 2004 at 17:58:35 (MDT)

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I remember at the convention when some of us were looking at Owen's 913, someone said something about there being optional attachments that connect to the vacuum by taking the bottom plate off and hooking it to the vacuum like you did on the older models like the 541. I downloaded the instruction manual for the 913/918 and it showed these attachments.

http://hoover.com/Media/ModelPDF/918.pdf

And I also found a 913 in a thrift store yesterday! But it needs brush strips.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Monday, July 19, 2004 at 14:45:12 (MDT)

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To R.J.

Several years ago, Frank Morgan gave me a whole bunch of Singer bags. The Kenmore vacuum you are seeking 5032 bags for, is also a Singer. It was the least expensive Kenmore ($30) and the least expensive Singer canister ($50). I remember it from my teen years. I always thought it was so odd that Sears sold it for $20 less than Singer. We had a Singer store in the same mall as Sears, and I would always make my trek throught the mall and look at the sweepers at each place they were for sale.

I'll take a look through the pile of bags and see if I have the bags you are looking for.

To RON JONES:

I mailed the GE canister/tank bags to you day before yesterday. Included also is a brochure for the new DC15 electric power nozzle Dyson canister. You seemed intriqued with my DC05 Dyson with electric power nozzle at the meeting - so I thought I'd share.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Friday, July 16, 2004 at 11:51:47 (MDT)

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Hi,

Does anyone have a couple wands and a Rug nozzle for a Hoover Spirit that they would like to sell? Thanks

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Thursday, July 15, 2004 at 08:47:23 (MDT)

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Oh! That makes sense now, thank you for explaining that.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 18:03:29 (MDT)

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Reggie,

What is meant by the plug thing is the plug prongs are at a 90 degree angle to where the cord goes into the plug. Connected to the wall, the cord would either go side to side or up/down from the outlet. Kinda like some of those extension cords today that have the flat plugs, so they don't stick out from the wall far. The whole reason for such a plug on the Sears canisters was because of where the cord exited the canister at the back, down low on the machine, and the size of the cord opening. A regular plug would not have allowed the cleaner to stand on end evenly with the cord wound up, and the plug could have been damaged easily. With the 90 degree plug, it sat flat against the back of the cleaner, and there was less chance of damaging the plug. This was revised as Sears cleaners became all plastic, and by the middle 70's Sears canisters all had the normal plugs on them.

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 11:09:38 (MDT)

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Marty,

Did you mean that the prongs on the Kenmore's power cord plug go sideways? And if they do, how do you plug it in? This was probably a stupid question, but I was confused.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 22:29:02 (MDT)

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Jeff,

Thanks so much for the info on my Kenmore!

Everyone,

I am on the lookout for an Airway model 66 hose. I have one in plastic with the airway hose ends but i want to find a nice one for my 66. The red woven cloth hose. If anyone has a spare for sale please let me know. Thanks

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 21:25:49 (MDT)

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Marty,

by the model# and description you've given, that's a '71 model, and the tail end of the 1/2 metal - 1/2 plastic canisters for Sears. The following year they introduced the larger all plastic machines(first in avocado green, later in celery/apple green) using the 5033 bag. From then on, the "Sears Best" model had the 99 as the last two digits of the model.

I believe that may be the first of the powermate units with the height adjuster and the headlight as well. The 12" wide powermate with the woodgrain top, headlight, and edge clean lever was introduced in 1974.

Sounds like a nice machine, I remember one of my childhood friend's mom had one of the blue models, and if I know her, she's probably still using it too!

Hope this helps some!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 09:04:36 (MDT)

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Oh and it's a two speed and has a cord reel. The cord is white and somewhat thick. The prongs on the plug go sideways. Sears is also embossed on the plug.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Monday, July 12, 2004 at 21:11:18 (MDT)

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Jeff,

The Kenmore Powermate canister is two tone blue. The attachments fit into a compartment on top but through an opening at the front of the cleaner just above the handle. The crevice tool fits through an opening at the side of the cleaner.

All of the attachments say Sears on them.

The power nozzle and the wand are the same matching blue color as the top of the canister. It has a beater bar and a headlamp.

There was an extra tool called the clothes brush that has a kind of bottle brush inside that is not to be used on long hair or pets.(!) It uses 5023 bags and there is the famous Sears Best on the canister. I paid 10 bucks for it! What a bargain!

Model number on a sticker inside the lid says model 2197. Under the machine itself it says model 116.21971.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Monday, July 12, 2004 at 21:07:58 (MDT)

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To Marty:

Can you describe the Sears canister some that you just found?

The model number is somewhat of a give-away. Years ago Sears model numbers had the year in them, and the last two digits indicated how "high" up in the line the cleaner was. I have two Sears canisters, models 2699 and 2799 The "6" and "7" are for 1976 and 1977, and the 99 means it was their top model.

Hope this helps some!

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 21:38:30 (MDT)

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RJ and Marty,

I tried, went to thrift store today and found 2 packages of Sears Bags.. 20-5026 Upright. They are full packs if someone needs them let me know.

Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 18:44:05 (MDT)

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RJ, how odd that you are working on a Kenmore canister. I found one today, model 2197. I plan on going to Sears next week to look for bags for this model but will stop at all the thrift stores in Indio when i am there and look for bags. Sears is in Indio of all places! I will also keep an eye out for the bags you need. Would you or anyone else know when this machine was made?

Also found a GE Swivel Top model C6 today. Would anyone know when this was made? Thanks!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Friday, July 09, 2004 at 22:32:38 (MDT)

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I have some things that needs new homes. First, I have a really nice Tri-Star CXl body. The vacuum came from the trash and has no attachments, and it needs a motor and a cord. I also have some Kirby Tradition attachments with the box, some attachments are missing. Finally, I have a Kirby Heritage hose. If anyone wants these, please e-mail me.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 23:14:14 (MDT)

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Does anyone have (or know of a source for) Sears 5032 bags that they'd like to sell, trade, or give away? And no, I didn't get the numbers transposed. I'm not looking for 5023 (which was a VEY POPULAR bag that fit many budget priced Sears canisters from the '70s and'80s) 5032 bags only fit 1 Sears machine - model 2128. Any help locating some would be greatly appreciated.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Thursday, July 08, 2004 at 20:41:01 (MDT)

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Greetings to all, I talked to Ken Wagman tonight and he asked me to put an update on here for all of you. He is doing well and he sends his heartfelt thanks to everyone for their cards, calls, and prayers. It is times like this that we realize more than ever how close we all are. He is trying to take it a bit easier and doing what his doctors tell him. He is hoping to have his computer back up and running in a few days. Hope that this finds you all doing well. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Wednesday, July 07, 2004 at 21:56:11 (MDT)

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Just wanted to take a minute to wish everyone a very safe and HAPPY 4th of JULY!!!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, July 04, 2004 at 15:31:43 (MDT)

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Hi, because of spam that's gotten out of control, I have a new 'personal' email address effective immediately -- it's crlat137.com (change "at" to "@").

Also, this site's email address -- infoatvaccc.com -- will soon be changing because it, too, has started to attract spammers.

Here are a couple of website tips I was given that may be of interest to those who have their own web sites:

If you put a link to email on your site, don't use the "@" symbol in it because that is bait for spammers. Instead, specify it this way, in both the description and the actual link's code:

crlat137.com

Then, parenthetically, note (change "at" to "@")

So, the email link would look like this on your web page:

crlat137.com (change "at" to "@")

That really seems to work, simply by removing the @ symbol out of the actual email address.

A couple of other tips: Avoid using the words "email" "info" "webmaster" "admin" "contact" etc ---- which also are juicy piece of spam bait and, thus, should be avoided.

It does seem to work ... I -never- get spam to my web site address [knock on wood], although I did just change it while I was at it.

Finally, anytime you do any online shopping, e.g. eBay, Amazon etc., you should set up a specific, separate email addresses for each site, as well; so that if you start getting spam, you can tell where it's coming from and change just that email address without disrupting your entire service. As well as file a complaint against the offender.

Most ISPs and web hosting services offer unlimited email addresses, and you certainly do avail myself of that. I have about 20 of them, all set to autoforward to a single "master" email address (so I only have to check email to ONE address instead of all 20 of them). The master address is secret; no one knows what it is as it is never seen or used by anyone but me.

These suggestions, along with spam filters if you care to use them, will help. But do know that the greater your filter parameters are set, the more "legitimate" email you will also lose.

The bottom line is that spam is here to stay and there really is no way to be entirely rid of it. All we can do is try to stop the worst of it.

"What a world, what a world......."

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 15:22:46 (MDT)

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Greetings folks!

Next week I was going to list a vacuum on ebay but thought I would offer it here first. It is a Lux Super J with a replaced genuine Lux flexible hose. I have gone over the vacuum and it looks and works great. I replaced the brushroll and belt with GENUINE Lux parts. The rug/floor tool, dusting brush and crevice tool are all in mint condition. The sale also includes the owner's manual and original bill of sale from late 1976.

I would like to sell it for $80 and that will INCLUDE shipping to the lower 48 only.

If anyone is interested please email me at my address seen below and allow several days before I can respond to you. If you have seen my vacuums at the conventions you know I only have really nice things and not painted up junk.

Happy 4th!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 14:56:02 (MDT)

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HI To All:

I'm writing this to ask if anyone might have a spare compact C-6 or C-7 with the blue attachments with the blue and chrome Filtex floor & carpet brush. Please if any one has one let me know.

I also want to say Thank you to fred for sharing his pics of the convention. I see I really missed a good time.

I'm really glad that the convention was awsome and that you'll had a great time. I'm hoping to attend the convention in 2005 in LA.

I'm also looking for any attachments for the compact C-1 if anyone has any to sell. I'm getting the dusting brush and furniture tool from Tanya. I need the carpet brush and floor brush and crevice tool.

Thanks Skip....

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Friday, July 02, 2004 at 19:10:51 (MDT)

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Hi all, I just spoke with Ken Wagman in the hospital. He will be released this afternoon, then will return in a couple of days for some followup tests.

He said people are welcome to call, but I'd add a "butt-in" ... keep in mind he is home to rest, so you won't want to bend his ear for too long! Also, I am sure he'd appreciate cards and emails, although if his email inbox is anything like mine, by the time he gets home the deluge will be unmanageable. So, it would probably just be best to call or drop a card in the mail to him.

Kenneth A. Wagman

815-569-2630

340 W. Main St.

Capron, IL 61012

kaw6657@aol.com

I am sure we are glad it was not more severe than it was, and I know you all join me in wishing him a speedy and easy recovery.

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, July 02, 2004 at 13:49:28 (MDT)

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To Marty Rocha

I received the Tristar tools today and they are great. Also, thank you so much for sending me the pictures. They are also great. I look forward to seeing you next year.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Friday, July 02, 2004 at 11:24:45 (MDT)

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To Evan:

David Waters was the first to email me about the Dual 80 bag. However, we seen to get Kirbys ALL THE TIME from the Rainbow salesmen. I get several small head models every year and we always part them out. You will get the very next Dual 80 bag I come across.

To Charlie Lester:

You were the first to email about the Kirby Classic carton and tools. They are yours if you still want them. We'll be in touch about the postage cost, etc.

Have a great holiday everyone. By the way, if anyone has a friend who is thinking about buying a new Dyson upright, have them wait until August. The new model launches then, and it is superior to the present model in the same way a Hoover 700 was superior to a 541.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Friday, July 02, 2004 at 09:59:37 (MDT)

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Dear Friends,

I spoke with Ken last night and he is doing fine. Thank you Terry, for posting the information.

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Hi,

Since everyone seems to be getting rid of stuff, I might as well see if anyone wants some of my things. I have a small box of Kirby 511 parts. Its the entire cleaner except for the bag/sani emtor/ and handle. Its the motor and such. It has different bumpers, but someone might want it. I also have a Sanitaire chrome hood and motor I dont want. If anyone wants them, the are free of course. Plus shipping costs.

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 10:53:05 (MDT)

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To Tom Gasko:

I sent you an e-mail a few days ago saying that I would be interested in the Kirby Dual 80 bag you had. If you still have it, I am still interested.

Thank you

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 09:57:24 (MDT)

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To John Z-

I can provide you with a copy of teh D-2 instruction book and the small tools for the machine.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 03:09:43 (MDT)

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Does anyone need the Large Box, attachments, and renovator (shampooer) for a Kirby Classic. I got the large box, and in it was the tools and hose and shampooer for the Kirby Classic (not the Omega) made from 1969 - 1973. It's free to a good home (everything is there) you pay only for the postage. Instead of throwing away stuff like this, I offer it here on our forum to my friends. I'm sure someone would enjoy having the original box and tools. First person to email me, gets it.

tom gasko
park hills, mo. USA - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 15:27:50 (MDT)

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To Ron Jones:

I can help you with bags for your GE Canister that you got at the convention. I have a few extras and wouldn't mind sharing with someone who's a good friend (like you).

To John Z.:

I told you at the meeting that I have a hose and power nozzle for your Rainbow. I'll be happy to send it to you. Please email with your address and I'll mail them to you. The Rainbow was the world's first bagless cleaner. They worked on it for fourteen years, until 1936, when it was launched. Water was added three months later as a pre-motor filter (to settle the dust), up till that time it was quite like a Fantom (a bagless cleaner using cyclones to separate the dirt from the air).

Fill your machine to the top of the peg located in the bottom of the pan, with COLD water only. Fill ALL THE WAY to the top of the peg, but don't go over it.

Empty after you finish with the machine, after each use. Do not put the pan back onto the machine, store the pan on top, along side, or under the sink.

Clean the separator (the slotted cone on the bottom of the motor) after each use, using an old toothbrush and soap and water. Dry thoroughly and replace the separator immediately after cleaning.

To pick up water (or liquid), DO NOT put water in the Rainbow - you have two quarts (to the top of the post located in the bottom of the pan) with which to pick up water. If more than two quarts of water is picked up, the Rainbow will rock and vibrate. Stop the machine immediately and empty the pan before going again.

To Michael LaBue:

You asked me for a Kirby G5 when we were at Fred Nelson's and you were coveting his G5. I promised to find one for you. I did get one, in lovely condition, and have spent much time hand polishing it back to a brilliant shine. If you still want it let me know - as it is so nice I bet I could sell it in the store.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 13:54:34 (MDT)

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While at the convention, Fred gave me a very presentable Rainbow D-2, with hose. I would like to find a set of tools for it, along with an instruction manual, or a copy of one, at least. I would like to find out more about the Rainbow vacuum history, as it appears to be an interesting machine. I would also like to find a complete Rainbow system, with all accessories, etc. Again, I do appreciate the generosity of those who gave me vacuums again at this convention. Charlie is right when he says that the group is like a family, as it certainly is that way for me.

John

John Ziegenhagen
Fairborn, OH USA - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 11:38:56 (MDT)

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hi everyone, after returning home got a lot of to do list for my machines,looking for a owners manual for a kirby tradition, and bags for the GE i got at the convention any help apppreciated

ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 09:43:18 (MDT)

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Hi Marty

Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Monday, June 28, 2004 at 06:18:35 (MDT)

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Evan, I have those tools that you need. They are at my folks. I'll get then out to you ASAP!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 22:01:29 (MDT)

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To the forum

At this years convention, I bought a wonderful Tristar CXL from Clay Floyd. However, the dusting brush, upholstery tool, and crevice tool (all sparkly plastic) are missing. If anyone has any or all of these tools that they are willing to part with, please let me know.

Thank you very much

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, June 27, 2004 at 09:39:00 (MDT)

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Dear Friends,

I am a bit overwhelmed by your kind words. I want to thank you, our members for being so terrific during the last two years. Sure, there were times I wanted to pull my hair out, (just ask the Board!), but all in all in has been gratifying to be the leader of the club.

I think we can all agree that this club has allowed us to express our interests in vacuums and when we found it, it was a liberating and exhilating moment. That feeling of, "I am not alone!", is wonderful.

Also, as it has been expressed here, we are like a family and it touches me to see how well everyone looks out for each other. Some of us no longer have biological families and this wonderful group of people have come along and like magic--we do have a family with a sense of belonging and purpose.

So again, my thanks to all of you and I look forward to continued service on the Board. Lets all stay in touch here or by emails, phone, cards, etc.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 12:40:44 (MDT)

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Hi,

Does anyone have a Heritage II Mini emtor and fill tube? Im refurbishing a Heritage II for a lady and I need this. If anyone has one to sell please contact me!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Friday, June 25, 2004 at 19:56:55 (MDT)

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Hi Everyone,

Just want to add my thoughts of the convention! Many Thanks to Jeff and Fred for opening there homes to us! Your collections are wonderful!!!

Charlie W and the board did an outstanding job this year!! Thank You Thank You Thank You !!!!

This really was the best convention yet!!! I miss every one already!! Charlie, you were a wonderful President and i wish the best of luck and congratulations to RJ as the new president!!

I'm really looking foward to next year in LA, now i can bring some of my things to the convention!!!

Fred S. Thanks for showing me the workings of the convertible motor!!!

Well i look forwrd to seeing everyone next year!!!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Friday, June 25, 2004 at 13:48:32 (MDT)

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Hello, again:

In addition to my previous ramblings, I need to add my sincere thanks to Fred and Jeff. They were very gracious in allowing us to visit their homes and view their very interesting collections. I was fascinated with Fred's operable switchboard and with the kitchen appliances that Jeff has in his home. THey were both wonderful hosts and their homes highlights of the convention.

John Ziegenhagen
Fairborn, OH USA - Friday, June 25, 2004 at 10:52:25 (MDT)

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Hello convention goers:

I just want to thank everyone for a great time that I had at our recent convention in Chicago. They keep getting better and better, and this one would be hard to beat! This is largely due to Charlie and all his staff of board members and others who worked so hard and diligently to insure we all had a good time with lots of activites and social time together. I have made many good friends in this club in the last couple of years. You are part of my extended family, and I greatly appreciate all of you very much. Thanks for your generosity in selling and giving me some great vacuums for my burgeoning collection. The only part of the convention I did not like was Sunday morning when I had to leave all of you. I am already looking forward to next year's affair. I hope all the photos I took turn out to your satisfaction, as I enjoyed taking them. It is only a small contribution to the club and certainly insignificant compared to what Charlie, R.J., Tania, Ken, Dave, Chuck, and the other board members have done all along (not just this year) to make this club the great organization it has become. I have learned much from many of you, not only about vacuum cleaners, but also what it is like to have truly good friends. Your generosity is greatly appreciated. Mike, Ken, and Chuck come to mind here, but there are many others. Tom, thanks for all the advice you have given me, especially tips on how to vacuum for the contest this year and past years, also. I apoligise in advance for any I have forgotten to mention, as you are all very important to me. Thanks so much for your understanding and friendship.

John

John Ziegenhagen
Fairborn, OH USA - Friday, June 25, 2004 at 08:51:12 (MDT)

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Greetings To All, Having just returned from the convention and reading everyones postings I too wanted to add my thoughts and thanks. This was my fourth convention and I must agree that they just keep getting better and better. Charlie I thank you so very much for your dedication to this club. I agree that you should be an event planner for the rich and famous. You really out did yourself this year. You have done so much to bring the club to the level it is at today. Most of all I thank you for your friendship. You will be missed. RJ, I wish you the very best as well I know that you will continue what has already been started. My thanks also goes out to everyone else who helped to make it such a success.

A special thank-you to Jeff and Fred for opening their homes to us and sharing their fantastic collections with us. Jeff's collection of Hoovers are a sight to see. Fred's collection was awesome as well. Thank for hosting the dinner on Friday night, we all had a wonderful time. Chuck you always amaze me with your talents. The table centerpieces for the awards dinner Saturday night were a sight to see.

The fun began for me this year a day early as I met Michael Thomas and Roger LeQuea at the airport on Tuesday. We spent Tuesday and most of Wednesday seeing the sights of Chicago. This was Michaels first time there and it was fun to show them both around.

As always the time went way to fast and before we knew it Sunday morning was upon us. There were tears as many of us parted.

I left on Sunday with Ken Wagman and Mark Turbyfill. We went to Ken's house and spent the night and left there on Monday morning for Greenfield Ohio to visit with Mike Hays. The trip down was so much fun we stopped in a few small towns and checked out the vacuum shops. We arrived at Mike's Monday afternoon. I couldn't believe Mike's collection of vacuums, it is a sight to see. His collection of mixers, blenders, and such are unbelieveable. Mike was a great host and we had such a good time together. If any of you have the chance I know he would love to see you. Mike had made so many good things for us to eat his cheese cake is the best. I am sure I gained 5 pounds. Another treat was hearing Ken play the organ. Mike wanted Ken to see and play the huge pipe organ at his church. Ken has such a talent, I wish that all of you could have heard him on that organ it really brought chills to all of us. We left there and Wednesday morning, another round of good by's which are never easy.

We are all really blessed to be part of this wonderful family. I am already looking forward to next years convention. Thanks again to all of you for your friendship!

Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 21:11:05 (MDT)

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Hey Gang, thanks for making my first convention a memorable one, I'm still in shock. I can't beleive all the stories that sounded so mutch like my life. The only difference was that some one else was telling them. I can't wait for the next one in LA. Comming back to work in California was such a shock- i miss all of you. Thanks Chuck for the birthday cake & card. I knbow I have made some life long friends. Mikey

Mike Banta
San Jose, ca USA - Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 20:49:34 (MDT)

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Hey guys,

what a week in chi town

now home looking for bags for a GE I got there

looks like model number L

tan longish tank machine

thx if anyone wants a pic cd let me know

ron

ron jones
rockingham , nc USA - Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 16:33:20 (MDT)

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Hi Everyone:

Before I throw it away, does ANYONE need a Kirby Dual Sanitronic 80 (green) bag and sani-emptor?

It's in nice shape, and I saved it off a vacuum that we parted out. It's free to a good home, just pay for the postage. Let me know if anyone wants it.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 12:57:30 (MDT)

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Hey Guys!

Yes, it was truly another wonderful convention indeed! I am still too filled with emotion to be able to write anything coherent. (I am so blue these days and it doesn't seem to want to go away!)

I am already thinking back to last Wednesday evening when I was packing at this time. (Here comes that feeling again) Where did the time go? And, why I ask, so damn fast?

My sincere thanks to all who have helped to make this convention a success. Together, we can make great things happen. Let the momentum continue! My thanks to Charlie for a job well done and my congrats to RJ as he embarks upon his new endeavor as president. Jeff, I cannot wait to work with you. You're another fountain of knowledge! Thanks for your hospitality. Fred N., thank you for welcoming all of us into your home.

I eagerly await VCCC 2005. Hope to see all of you again next year--if not sooner! I love you guys!

Louis R
Madison, CT USA - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 19:13:50 (MDT)

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My mistake-

The link is without the "www." its just

photos.yahoo.com/retroderf

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 10:49:10 (MDT)

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Hey everyone--

You have all pretty well summed up what I wanted to say, the people who I wanted to thank, etc...

This convention was by far the best that this club has ever seen! Thanks again Charlie for making it wonderful! Thanks to Fred and Jeff for opening up their homes, and thanks to all that attended for making it a success as well.

If anyone who attended didn't get a "Welcome to Chicago" bag, I think I got the extras... contact me, and I'll see if I can spare one for you.

I have took a bunch of pictures that everyone is welcome to look at, and if anyone wants to "steal" any for whatever reason-print them, save them to your computer, etc... be my guest. Louis, feel free to use them for the newsletter, and Charlie Lester, feel free to use any for the website. Simply follow this link, or copy and paste it into your browser...

www.photos.yahoo.com/retroderf

Enjoy!

See everyone next year in LA!

Fred Stachnik
Milwaukee, WI USA - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 22:18:39 (MDT)

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Once again, a great convention of the Vacuum Collectors' Club. Every year seems to get better and better. Honestly, this year's convention was the greatest in our illustrious history.

Of course, my hat is off to Charlie Watrous. He did the impossible and made everyone feel welcome.

The food was 'to die for'.

I especially felt that our 'business meeting' this year was extremely productive. Thanks to everyone (Charlie W., R.J., etc.) for bringing a 'down to earth' attitude that was appreciated by all.

I want to say how much I enjoyed meeting new club members. I was quite taken with Mike Banta, who repairs large Kenmore appliances for a living. Mike was a wealth of information and a definate 'plus' to have in our club. Reggie Ridlin was also a delight to meet. As both he, and Evan Rogers, are just sixteen and have much in common, it was great to see those two hit it off. After all, our young members are just like 'we' were at that age. Evan's dad and Reggie's mom proved to be great people and a real inspiration to other parents. I sure wish my dad was as great a guy as Evan's dad.

Chuck C.'s centerpieces for the tables at the awards banquet were exceptional. He has outdone himself, which is no easy task after the previous meeting's wonderful table displays.

Fred Nelson's home and collection are extraordinary, just like he is. Fred has to be the nicest man in the club - always taking time to talk to everyone and make each person feel welcome. The biggest 'hit' I believe, of our club's visit to his beautiful home, was his TWO Kitchen-Aid dishwashers and his wringer Maytag. Oh yes, and his vacuums were awesome also. Especially his wonderful AeroDyne Hoover - simply a masterpiece.

I'm so happy that Jeff Parker and R.J. are going to be 'running' the club for the next couple of years. R.J. is a master with detail and Jeff is a wealth of knowledge. I can't wait for the L.A. convention in 2005. I spoke to Stan Kann about the club coming to St. Louis in 2006 and he's excited to be sharing his fabulous collection of one-of-a-kind machines.

I was so touched that our club presented an Award for Outstanding Club Member to Tania Voigt. She's beloved by the entire club, and I don't know what we would do without her. She never fails to remember a birthday or event with a phone call or card. She's truly the greatest Vacuum Club member of all. And her Silver Knight vacuum was stunning. Glad to see the Silver Knight win an award.

Well my friends, another great year and another great get-together. Until next year....

tom g.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 12:36:33 (MDT)

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Just returning from my third consecutive VCCC convention there's not a whole lot I can say that is any different from the others that have posted previous to my tardy entry.

I would though, like to personally thank Charlie for the outstanding job he has done in running the VCCC for two wonderful terms. YOU WILL BE MISSED!!. I would also like to thank Charlie, for the superior job of making this last convention a truly memorable one. That goes for Fred Nelson, as well. He not only opened his home to the club but he also opened his heart to us. THANK YOU FRED!. Without further a adieu, there was the most spectacular Hoover collection I've ever seen. That of course was Jeff Parker. HAT'S OFF TO YOU JEFF!!

I Would also like to acknowledge all of the Board Members for doing a smashing job of keeping our club moving onward and upward.

And last but certainly not least. WELCOME RJ, AS OUR NEW ILLUSTRIOUS LEADER. I look forward to the future in the VCCC under you leadership.

Best Wishes

Michael LaBue
New York, NY USA - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 10:45:59 (MDT)

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To Mark G-

It sounds like your Lux may have been a vac shop rebuild. I have seen every extreme in shop rebuild paint jobs, from magnificent to dreadful, and everywhere in between. There's no explaining why some shops put more time and effort into their re-painting than others.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 10:01:51 (MDT)

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I have a silver Lux Model "E" case. It appears that the case was blue then repainted. The paint job is pretty good and the script "Electrolux" in white letters is restored (I assume it had to have been painted over first). Yet there is a blue edge indicating it was painted intact (instead of with the cover off). Why would someone have gone to so much trouble to change the color??? Common practice??

mark goodall
omaha, USA - Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 07:30:31 (MDT)

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Friends

Well, another convention has come and gone. To echo others, you would ask yourself just how they keep getting better??... BUT THEY DO !! If I did not know better, You would think Charlie Watrous was really a high paid "event planner" for the rich and famous. Charlie we love you, and appreciate all that you have done to bring us where we are today.

Great thanks to Fred Nelson, and Jeff Parker for hosting the tours in their homes, sharing their vacuum collections with us all. Fred also deserves special thanks for hosting the evening buffet. My only question was, why no valet parking!!! :)

Our closing banquet was great, and special thanks to Don Clark for his presentation.

Many new faces this year, and they all fit right into our "little family".... Welcome aboard!!

Best wishes to RJ, Jeff, and Fred, on their new positions... You will be Fabulous.

Finally in closing, Thank you ALL for being a part of my life. It is truly made richer by each of you. The start of my 11 hour ride home was not easy, everything happens SOOOO fast at the convention, and then it ends. I do know that I am not the only person who shed a few tears as we departed, yet my mind and heart become strong with anticipation of the next time we can all be together again. The part that concerns me is that I looked like something from the "Lifetime" channel", speeding down the interstate, at eighty miles per hour, and crying like a baby.. OH GAWWD!!

Stay well,

Helen, Helen Lawsen

(Floral/Vac Designer)

Chuck Chatham
USA - Monday, June 21, 2004 at 19:00:31 (MDT)

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Hello All,

I am David Watters, one of the old members who has returned from a long absense. I am so sorry I missed another wonderful event. One of these years I will get to go again. It is an honor and a pleasure to be back in the club.

Just to let you all know that I am still collecting but now being a little choosy on what I buy. My room for my vacs has just recently been closed down and have had to put all my vacs in storage. Hopefully soon I will be able to get them out, when I find a better bigger place to live.

If anyone would like to chat about my collection feel free I would be honored to visit with you. I have still many rare and unusualy machines. Take care one and all and hope to hear from some you soon.

David

David Watters
Aurora, CO USA - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 22:46:11 (MDT)

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It may sound a bit redundant, but with this being my sixth consecutive convention, they just keep getting better every year. Hats off to Charlie W. and all the others who had anything to do with planning, to Jeff Parker and Fred Nelson for their gracious hospitality in opening their homes to membership tours, and to all the members who attended and brought machines to display, compete, sell, trade, donate, etc.

A special thanks also to the membership present for entrusting me with the position of president for the coming two years; I hope I can do justice to the position and continue to lead the group in a forward direction to help it grow and flourish.

I too am already looking forward to next year's convention in southern California, and looking forward to meeting some members that so far, have only been voices on the other end of the phone or names on emails.

I'l also be working very closely with our newsletter editor to get the convention issue "rushed" to print, so you can all share the memories of this year's convention before September. Please send your photos, stories, etc. to Louis AS SOON AS POSSIBLE so we can have the next issue in your hands before the summer's over.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue , WA - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 22:29:01 (MDT)

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Year Two, and the excitement of another convention under my belt. I would like to thank everyone who in any way helped in the planning of this years convention. It was GREAT!!!

And to Charlie Watrous, My hat is off to you!!! Your one of a kind and your leadership has been greatly appreciated.

Jeff and Fred thank you for opening your homes up to us all. That is an undertaking in itself and your collections are some of the finest. I finally got to see a Bison - Thank you Fred! And Jeff, Hoover has nothing over on you...

I can't wait to see the West Coast Collection and mabey finally get to meet the man that introduced to this fine Club.

Thanks again to all!!!

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 22:13:07 (MDT)

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Well, sounds as if "A Good Time Was Had By All." Makes me wish all the more that I could have made it, and yes, certainly, it would be GREAT to have a convention in Southern California next year, especially since there are, what, some dozen or so Club members out here now.

To those who will be sending photos, if you can either provide a "plain text" file with a list of captions to each photo, keyed by file name; or, more preferably, because less work for me, use a photo editing program (Photoshop, PaintShop, etc.) and type captions directly on the photo.

Either way, please size your photos down to a maximum of 600 pixels wide -- if you used a digital camera and had it set on "extra good" or "super duper" quality, the images will be too large to use on the web site without reducing them. Again, better y'all than me esp if you're gonna be sending LOTS of photos -- and one can only hope!

Glad you're all back -- it's been far too quiet in here!

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 21:29:12 (MDT)

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I'd like to take a moment also to say thanks to everyone who attended the convention, it was spectacular!

I also echo Charlie's feelings of sadness. It was over way too fast. Things are WAY too quiet in Hooverland tonight.

Charlie, you did a fantastic job as our president, I thank you for all your efforts.

I also say thanks to everyone who came over on Friday. It was a treat for me to have the club come over and see my collection, and I am very much looking forward to seeing the pictures that were taken. I look forward to seeing what other people saw, kind of like seeing my collection with new eyes.

I'm looking forward to LA next year too!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 18:30:36 (MDT)

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Dear Charlie Lester and others,

Charlie, guess you saw we are coming to your neck of the woods for 2005 under R. J. Vanik's leadership with Jeff Parker, new Vice-President assisting him.

You better make the 2005 convention! I'll let the members tell of their experiences before I post about the convention.

I just got home and I have a profound feeling of sadness in that so much planning went into the event and poof! In 72 hours or less it is over. So much happened with so much comraderie that it leaves you feeling empty when it is time to leave. On the plane home, I had to go over everything several times in my mind to make sure it wasn't all just a great dream.................I could go on but I would like those who attended to express their thoughts.

Best wishes to all and I can't wait for the club Commemorative Lux to arrive later this week!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 16:32:35 (MDT)

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Hello everyone

I just got back from the convention, and I had a WONDERFUL time! I would like to thank Jeff Parker and Fred Nelson for letting us come to their homes to see their collections, and a big thank you to Don clark for his awesome presentation. A sincere thank you goes out to Charlie Watrous for all the fabulous things he has done for us in the past two years. I would also like to congratulate R.J. on being the new club president. I think that he will be great!

Once again, I really enjoyed the convention, and I can't wait to see many of you again next year in L.A.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 14:45:03 (MDT)

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i finally got to go to my first VCCC convention! I really liked seeing all the vacuums and talking to all of the people there. I didn't expect to get so many vacuums, and really not a Lewyt. My favorite vacuum that I saw was the Silver Knight. The British Dysons were really interesting to use too. I can't wait for the next convention.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 14:37:24 (MDT)

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Charlie,

u r missed my pix will be on there way to u on a cd as soon as i arrive back in NC

ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 11:15:36 (MDT)

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Well, I was hoping some of the Conventioneers would post some messages "from the front lines" filling us in who can't be there. Guess folks are just having too much fun............. :(

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Saturday, June 19, 2004 at 11:13:45 (MDT)

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To Charlie W.

I want to thank you for being the best President that you could be as you did an awsome job.I wishingt you many sucesses in Life.

I also want to wish you all to help a wonderful convention and That hopefully next year i will be able to attend my first convention.

I was recently promoted into mangement with my company and I couldn't pass up the offer as i have been with them for 16 years and I'm 48 now so I'm not getting any younger so I felt it was time to give up the Truck and move ahead into the office as I don't want to be in my 50's delivering Liquior.

Who ever Our new President will be will have my upmost support.

Again hope you all have the time of your life at the convention and please take some pics so I can see what I missed

Happy vacuuming Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Friday, June 18, 2004 at 17:36:37 (MDT)

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Everyone

Just wanted to say Hello, safe travels and sorry

I could not be a live part of the convention this

time.

Will look forward to hearing all of the news.

Norm

Norm Brown
Col., Oh USA - Thursday, June 17, 2004 at 11:03:05 (MDT)

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The convention starts tomorrow night, I've been cleaning up like mad, and today Tom and I took "Hooverland" apart and dusted everything and arranged and re-arranged cleaners. Thanks to Tom, my friend Tony, and Mike Rogers for supplementing my collection for this weekend, I now have every Hoover Convertible model made in the 1960's under my roof, plus some other treasures. I am very much looking forward to having everyone tour on friday!

Something else interesting too: the last two weeks have had lots of vacuums in the trash around here. Not really much of anything worth saving, but they've run the gamut from Eureka Bravos and Hoover Elites to Electrolux Super J's to Dirt Devils. Last night while out walking Jack we even saw a Dyson sitting at the curb. It was pretty sad, and the bin was duct taped on to the handle, not to mention being totally full of what looked like mud! What really got me was Jack sniffing around, then he lifted his leg and aimed for the Dyson... I guess he's a Hoover dog after all, I trained him well!

Everyone travel safe, and I'll see y'all on Thursday night!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, June 16, 2004 at 17:21:33 (MDT)

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TO THE VCCC: AS THE CONVENTION STARTS TOMORROW, I WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A SAFE AND HAPPY MEETING. WISH I COULD BE THERE WITH YOU!

BEST REGARDS,

MIKE HAYS

Michael Hays
Greenfield, OH USA - Wednesday, June 16, 2004 at 09:25:14 (MDT)

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Hi, Steve Keisler sent me a copy of the print article on Fred and Jeff. I am going to scan the photos in and, with the html code from the paper's web site, put it in the secure "Members Only" section.

I also have gotten a nice batch of photos from Fred Stachnik that I will be featuring in the Members Only section, and I am still working on my "Vacuum Cleaner Obsession Autobiography." Stay tuned...

(To those who may ask, "Why put this stuff in the Memebers Only area where only members can see it? Well, first of all, some people may not want their photos and stuff where everyone in the world can see them; secondly, this may provide some inducement for more folks to join up, or renew their memberships!)

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 13:45:07 (MDT)

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To all club memebers,

I am in search of "Bugeye" Kenmore parts, specifically, headlamp lenses. If amyone should have parts to spare, please contact me. I also have several very old machines available for restoration or for parts. Most are uprights such as, Royals, GE, Hoover, Eureka, etc. I do have some older tanks including a pink Lewyt and some purple Air-way 55's. I also have LOTS of old parts, hoses, and attachments. Anyone interested in providing or acquiring parts please contact me.

--Bernie

Bernard Mehlbaum
Harrisburg, PA USA - Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 10:26:39 (MDT)

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To Charlie Watrous,

Just want to say thank you for leading the club in a positive direction. You did an exemplory job (I hope I spelled that right) despite a lot of discontention. You're a good man and a natural- born leader. Best wishes to you and for all your present and future endeavors.

--Bernie

Bernard Mehlbaum
Harrisburg, PA USA - Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 10:13:15 (MDT)

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A client came in yeasterday & told me her husband was recently on a trip to Alabama. His flight took him via Chicago, and he happened to pick up a copy of the Daily Herald (featuring Fred & Jeff) and sent it back for me, so i got to see the article, complete with pictures. For anyone who hasn't seen it, you're in for quite a treat!

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 06:11:07 (MDT)

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To President Watrous, I want to say my personal thanks to you for all the great work you did as President. Only you and I know some of the "backstage drama" that we had to deal with, and for your part it was always an easy go in terms of getting things resolved. I wish everyone in the club was as cooperative and worked with the same sense of team spirit. I'll miss working with ya...

Hope everyone has fun at the meeting. I was *THIS* close to coming ... one of my graphics cilents offered to underwrite, 100%, the cost of my trip out there as a special bonus. However, I still couldn't go because of my church commitments. Organists don't grow on trees, and finding not just one, but two (I play in two churches) at such short notice just wasn't possible.Maybe next year.....

Charles Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 14:38:29 (MDT)

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Owen:

Running a dry bearing will allow the bearing to heat up very quickly, within half a minute, to the point that damage to the 'balls' of a ball bearing will occur. I see it all the time with rainbows, in which the lower bearing is dry and cannot be lubricated due to damage, it must be replaced.

Hoover 700's are NOT fan cooled motors. The drag on the armature from a dry bearing (or bearings) will take itself out in two ways: the temperature at the commutator will increase greatly - breaking down the insulation. Second, the drag on the armature will take itself out on the field coil, increasing its temperature and causing insulation failure.

A Hoover 700 can be lubricated easily. Remove the top cover, and pry up on the brass cap over the top bearing with a small, flat blade screwdriver or the edge of a table knife. Fill the opening with grease, and replace the brass seal (you should hear a 'squish' as you replace the seal). Remove the fan and fan spacer from the bottom, and holding the grease tube point directly at the bearing, start the machine and squeeze the tube. The rotation of the motor will carry grease into the bearing until no more can be taken in. Replace the fan spacer and fan, and you are back in business.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 12:37:34 (MDT)

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Tom Gasko,

I checked with the hotel today and they have a 220 line in our meeting room.

Patti told me that you called last week so I guess you already have the news but I did want you to know I was following up on your question.

See you on Thursday. I'm leaving for Chicago tomorrow to get there early and stay with Fred Nelson for a few days.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Monday, June 14, 2004 at 11:15:47 (MDT)

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Dear Members:

As the "Eve" of my Presidentcy comes to a close at the convention in just several days, I want to take a moment to say few things to you.

It has been a priviledge to serve the VCCC as your President for the past wo years. The Board and I have been able to do a number of great things for the club such as: creating a new logo, introducing the position of Vice-President, bringing national awareness through our exposure on "CBS Sunday Morning", creating T-shirt sales, starting a raffle at our convention, starting new award categories at our convention, incorporating "new" competition for the 2004 convention, introducing our OWN website with an active forum---(special thanks to Charlie Lester), upgrading the convention in and of itself, auctioning last year's table centerpieces to increase club funds, having a guest speaker at the awards banquet, increasing our membership to well over 120 members and this year, introducing a 242 page video photo album of the last four conventions featuring the vacuums, our members with their vacuums and most importantly, the people--you who are the VCCC.

This has all come about due to your continued interest and membership in the VCCC. Your membership dues and generous contributions to get our website started have made us a truly viable organization. I could not have asked for a better Board to have worked with. I could not have asked for a better Vice-President to have worked with. I gratefully thank them all.

At the convention, the last one I will preside over, we will be electing a new President, Vice-President and Board Member. I will be electing R. J. Vanik, our Vice-President, to assume my position, indicating my belief in that he is the person to take us forward for the next two years.

So again, I say thanks to all of you and I hope you will continue to keep your interest in preserving our vacuum cleaner history alive and well by remaining members and attending conventions if you can.

Best wishes to all and grateful thanks for your support.

Charlie Watrous

President VCCC

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 17:22:23 (MDT)

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Tom,

I didn't know that running a cleaner with dry bearings could be injurious to the machine, as long as the armature spun alright. I didn't think about it overheating (especially taking into account how slowly the Model 700 motor runs compared to modern-day motors), only about the bearings 'squealing'.

That is good to keep in mind in the future.

Owen Perkins
Naperville, IL USA - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 21:05:47 (MDT)

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Fred N.:

The model 700 is very easy to lubricate without taking it apart. All you need is a tube of lubricant. If you don't have a tube of lube laying around, I'm bringing some with me. There's a method in my Hoover service manual for greasing it in a moment's time. Don't run any cleaner with dry bearings, they can overheat and become damaged in no time flat. Be more than happy to share the information with the entire club, if you wish to bring the machine with you, or I could show you at your home.

tom g.
park hills, mo USA - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 17:47:45 (MDT)

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To everyone planning on attending the convention here in Chicago:

The long term weather forecast calls for sunny weather in the mid seventies from Wednesday through Friday (no Saturday forecast yet). Of course, this is Chicago, and that can change at a moment's notice. It has been pretty rainy here.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 06:21:10 (MDT)

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Fred,

I would say that you'd be safe to run it after you made sure that you could easily spin the motor shaft by hand. If you want (and I always do this), you could do a quick continuity test, to make sure that the cleaner does NOT have continuity across the two plug prongs with the switch in one position, and that it DOES in the other position. If it passes those tests, I don't see why you would need to lubricate it until you wanted to take the whole motor apart and do a thorough rebuild, because while the bearings may be dry at its age, as long as the motor spins it shouldn't do any harm to the cleaner.

The 700 had one of those ball-bearing sealed "dustproof" motors where there was no cup at the top for oil, so you'd have to take it apart and grease the bearings. I did the one owned by my boss once when I restored it, but I have forgotten the exact steps. You might start by taking the two screws off the top and just taking a look in there. For a preliminary run though, I'd say these steps are mostly overkill because of how robustly built the 700 motor is.

On a side note, I saw the article in the "Homes" section of the Daily Herald the other day, and that Lux Model LX is brilliant. Wish mine were that nice.

-Owen

Owen Perkins
Naperville, IL USA - Friday, June 11, 2004 at 23:33:27 (MDT)

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HI All,

Just got back from the movie The Stepford Wives! I thought it was hilarious! The opening credits feature a GE Swivel Top on display with a bunch of other appliances and a Lewyt Big Wheel being used to clean a kitchen floor and to dust a picture frame. Of course i had to point this out to my friends that i was with.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Friday, June 11, 2004 at 22:58:18 (MDT)

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To Tom Gasko:

I just picked up a BEAUTIFUL Hoover Model 700 complete with attachments in their original box on Ebay for $25! I think that maybe no one else saw it?? because it was listed as a vacume. Anyway it works well but I am afraid to run it much because it must have been sitting for a long time because the underside is like new, the wheels are in great shape and it still has it's bumper intact and in good shape as well. Because it has been sitting I would like to lubricate it before really running it. I was hoping you could give me a quick lesson on 700 mechanics and lubrication while you are in town. (I assume that you will be dropping the house on Friday nite.)

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 19:50:13 (MDT)

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To Charlie W.:

Did you find out for me about the 220 volt outlet in the meeting room? Please let me know so I can bring some of my 220 volt machines, like the 1920's electrolux model 25. Looking forward to seeing everyone at the convention.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 17:05:18 (MDT)

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HI!

Does anyone have any extra chains for the older Kirbys vacs. I need a couple for 2 Sanitronics. Does anyone have a Couple bags for the Sanitronics? They dont have to be the original ones but I dont want them to have that dorky looking bag with the single K on it.....it doesnt even resemble a kirby bag. Thanks!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 22:20:06 (MDT)

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To Martin:

The 704-01 was a 1970 only model, the only Hoover Convertible model to have the cord reel. From what you describe, you have indeed found the reel/handle from one. The color would be that light seal griege(matches the base & handle color of the 1020/1070/589/719) and the gold would be the persian gold of the regular 704's

The only other Convertible style machines to have the cord reel were models made for JCPenney. One was 1966 in Jade green/white with the round cord reel, the other from 1970 in powder blue/white with a square cord reel.

I've got the 1966 Penney's model here, its a cool cleaner.

Hope this helps some!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 21:09:06 (MDT)

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To Jeff Parker or RJ Vanik:

This is in regards to the Hoover Convertible model 704-1. I have in my collection a model 704. I then read about the only Convertible that had a cord reel, other than the Penncrest model,is the 704-1. Can you tell me what the whole machine looked like? Was it yellow like the 704? I found an 80's convertible in a vac shop that had a blue DVC outer bag and the handel of an early covertible with a Hoover cord reel! It is square with rounded corners and it is off white in the front and yellow in the back. I have to tell you that i did buy the vacuum only for it's handle and reel. I put it on my 704 because it matches so well. Was this the way the 704-1 was? I'll have pictures of it in the "big book" when i come out to Chicago next week!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 19:21:20 (MDT)

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Hi everyone,

Here's the link to the article we all want to read

http://www.dailyherald.com/homes/homes_story.asp?intID=381450

The title is "The dirt on vacuums" if the link doesn't work. It's on the main page today.

Happy reading, and now, how about those pictures?

Dave

David Spradley
San Francisco, CA USA - Wednesday, June 09, 2004 at 07:21:53 (MDT)

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I rec'd the following reply from Lynne Dragomier of Maytag, regarding my email to her:

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Dear Mr. Lester:

Thank you for your email. Please let me correct your understanding of the situation. Hoover manufacturing and Research and Development remains in North Canton, Ohio, where we were founded in 1908. Hoover will remain a major employer and community member here in North Canton.

What was announced last Friday is that the Maytag Appliances, Hoover Floor Care and Maytag Corporation organizations are being consolidated for increased marketplace competitiveness. Those of us who "grew up" at Hoover are saddened by the changes this brings to our organization, but today's business world is all about change. Maytag is making every effort to treat affected employees fairly and with dignity and respect.

I hope we see a stronger Hoover emerge and enjoy the continuing legacy of a great brand.

Lynne Dragomier

- To which I replied -

Dear Lynne,

Thanks for your very kind and prompt reply, and thanks for the clarifications. I guess I had reacted "in shock" as did many people when the news came out. I am glad that the Hoover company will, at least for the time being, remain a vital presence in North Canton.

Best wishes,

Charlie Lester

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So, while the changes in North Canton are apparently not goint to be as far-reaching as it had seemed to me, any way you look at it, it is still a tremdendously sad situation.

I felt the same way when Electrolux announced that the Old Greenwich CT factory was going to close, back in the mid 1980s. Especially when I later heard that much of their historical artifacts in terms of paper archives, model samples, advertising materials, etc., got thrown in the dumpster. Whatever stuff that employees did not take with them as mementos was basically chucked out. Now how's THAT for a heartbreaker.

Really, the same thing has happened with many American companies and of course specifically home care -- Electrolux, Royal, Eureka, indeed even Maytag. It's all foreign-made plastic junk now. The handful of vacuum cleaners that are still made "the old fashioned way" -- Kirby, Air Storm, Filter Queen, etc., are priced way beyond the reach of the average consumer.

It's a tough time on Planet Earth, on many fronts. This is just one of them.

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 22:53:39 (MDT)

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NOTE:

I had posted a long, five-part message to the Forum about "sweeper obsessions" which I have since deleted. I decided to instead expand it, and will soon post it as a new feature in the "Members Only" section of the site and also submit it for publication in the newsletter.

Meanwhile, the relevant part of that posting was to say, in response to Fred Nelson's comments, that I was very surprised to read that he also ran around using all his friends' vacuum cleaners. I thought =I= was the only one who did that! hahaha!

"But Seriously Folks" ---- for many years, I -DID- think "I was the only one" who had this "strange" fascination with vacuum cleaners. "Who knew?!"

Every so often I get emails from parents, usually the mothers, of up-and-coming sweeper-obsessed children. Some of them have joined the club. It's interesting to see how the reactions vary from abject terror -- "Is my kid some kind of mental freak? Is there a drug for this??" To, "We think it's really interesting -- and clearly a sign that Little Freddie is very intelligent."

And that segued into my "sweeper life story" which, as I said, I'll repost very soon. Stay tuned.......

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 01:39:08 (MDT)

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I sent the following email to Lynne Dragomier, a Public Relations representative for Maytag.

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TO: ldragomier@maytag.com

RE: Closure of Hoover North Canton Ohio Plant

As a charter & founding member of the Vacuum Cleaner Collectors Club, I am writing to express my sadness and dismay over the announced abandonment of the North Canton, Ohio Hoover Plant.

After nearly a hundred years, the birthplace of the Hoover Vacuum Cleaner -- indeed, the electric vacuum cleaner as the world knows it today -- is going to be mothballed. What an ironic end to such a once-prosperous, trend-defining manufacturing facility.

Of course, a big factor that has ultimately led to this decision is that "The Hoover Cleaner" has not, for many years, upheld the company's original devotion to quality and craftsmanship. If Hoovers were still being made the way they were made until, well, the mid 1960s or so, the Hoover Company would most likely still be quite viable.

However, profit margins, bottom lines, perks for top-level executives, and the ever-increasing encroachment of global-based corporate enterprises have taken the place of quality and customer service. Greed-driven management and manufacturing decisions over the years have led to ever cheaper, poorly made machines such that today's machines must be making the Hoover founders "agitate in their graves."

More broadly, of course, this is simply another sad commentary on the current state of manufacturing and marketing in the U.S.

Really, it's all just very, very sad and disillusioning.

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, June 08, 2004 at 00:28:07 (MDT)

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Charlie L:

The article is now available online, sans pictures. As of this afternoon, there was a link to the story from the main page.

Go to WWW.Dailyherald.com and you should find it.

Fred S:

The news from Ohio(and Iowa) is very sad indeed. I talked with Tom Anderson over the weekend, and all thats left production-wise in North Canton is Steam Vacs and some commercial machines. Who knows how long that will even last.

Will they make it to 100?

I have my doubts.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 20:10:15 (MDT)

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Well, the bomb has been dropped.

I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say thanks, Charlie, for keeping us updated on the latest vacuum news.

As I slowly am coming to terms with this, in no way am I trying to defend what is happening with Hoover, because I of course don't want it to happen. I just want to sort-of soften the blow--and give this a better ending in my mind.

The news release that Maytag put out says:

"Integration of Hoover and Maytag Appliances into the new organization will eliminate about 20 percent of the salaried workforce, reduce Hoover's North Canton facilities to an R & D and Manufacturing site, and downsize Maytag Appliances and corporate headquarters."

From what I understand, Hoover will still be in North Canton-Researching and Developing, Manufacturing, and of course distributing parts and products.

I got handed the memo on Friday, and was bummed all weekend.

If anyone would like to read Maytag's press release, here's the link: (click on the first press release "Maytag announces major restructuring")

http://www.maytag.com/mths/our_company/default.jsp?L1=2&L2=0

I'll try to keep everyone posted with what I know, and what I am able to forward--without overstepping the confidentiality agreement I signed.

.....sigh

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 18:53:58 (MDT)

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Oh Brother! Channel 7 News here in Chicago picked up the story from the Daily Herald and wants to talk with me about a feature they do called "Collectors Corner". Anyway I will call them and see what they want. Perhaps they can visit or do a story when the club is here.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 13:06:11 (MDT)

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Charlie L: I looked on the paper's website yesterday and couldn't find the article. I will check again today and if not, have the article scanned. It has some great color shoots of Jeff's convertibles and a beautiful shot of my Lux LX. The article talks about the Lewyt Big Wheels as well. For some reason, they were fascinated with that machine. And she had to tell stories about my youth running around the neighborhood running the neighors vacuums (which, of course, I did).

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 07:33:07 (MDT)

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Re the article about Jeff and Fred, is it available online anywhere? Or could someone scan it and I could put it here on the VCCC site? And run it in the next newsletter?

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, June 07, 2004 at 00:13:41 (MDT)

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Fred Nelson:

You look very dapper on the front page, and I agree, the article came out very well and very positive for the club. I hadn't really told many people about the article, but my phone's been ringing all day from friends calling to tell me they've seen it.

It all came out very well.

See you in a couple of weeks!

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 20:19:37 (MDT)

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How's this for a sad shock.

The Hoover Company is closing the North Canton, Ohio plant where it began making the "Hoover Suction Sweeper" in 1908. Yes, after all these years, the birthplace of the Hoover Vacuum Cleaner is going to be closed. See A.P. article below.

The Hoover "Model O" was the world's first truly-portable electric vacuum cleaner.

In 1907, James Murray Spangler, a janitor in a Canton, Ohio department store, deduced that the carpet sweeper he used was the source of his asthmatic cough. He tinkered with an old fan motor and attached it to a soap box stapled to a broom handle. Using a pillow case as a dust collector on the contraption, Spangler invented a portable electric vacuum cleaner.

He then improved his basic model -- the first to use both a cloth filter bag and cleaning attachments -- and received a patent in 1908. He formed the Electric Suction Sweeper Company.

One of the first buyers was a cousin, whose husband, William H. Hoover, later became the president of the Hoover Company, with Spangler as superintendent. Sluggish sales were given a kick by Hoover�s 10 day, free home trial, and eventually there was a Hoover vacuum cleaner in nearly every home.

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Maytag to move Hoover headquarters from Ohio

Associated Press

June 6, 2004

NORTH CANTON, Ohio - Maytag Corp. announced a restructuring plan Friday that calls for vacuum maker Hoover Co. to move its headquarters from northeast Ohio to Iowa, eliminating hundreds of salaried jobs.

It's the second time in less than a month that a major northeast Ohio employer said it's moving jobs from the Canton area. Timken Co. said in May that it plans to close three bearings plants in the area that employ 1,300 workers because of declining production.

Maytag, the Newton, Iowa-based home and commercial appliance maker, said it will restructure its businesses to consolidate the Hoover Floor Care, Maytag Appliances and corporate headquarters divisions. The move will save Maytag $150 million annually and allow it be more competitive, officials said.

The plan includes shedding 1,100 jobs, or 20 percent of Maytag's salaried work force of 5,800. Manufacturing jobs were not affected. Under the restructuring, Maytag's total work force would fall to 19,500.

Maytag refused to say how many salaried workers in North Canton would lose their jobs, but spokeswoman Lynne Dragomier said the Hoover headquarters would be the hardest hit.

Mayor Tom Rice said the city hasn't figured out how much of the $1.5 million in tax revenues North Canton gets from Hoover will be affected. "But it will be significant," he said.

The $1.5 million represents about 15 percent of the city's tax revenue, Rice said.

"Today's news is very disappointing. In the short-term it's painful for the community, but I'm hopeful that in the long-run it may be a beginning of the company's goal of being more profitable, and that would bode well for the jobs we hope to maintain here," he said.

Hoover won't say how many are employed in North Canton. Rice and Jim Repace, president of International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 1985, said there are about 600 salaried employees in North Canton and 1,155 manufacturing employees in all of Hoover's Stark County facilities, with nearly all of them in North Canton.

Ralph F. Hake, Maytag's chairman and chief executive officer, said in a statement that the decision was difficult but necessary, partly because of weak sales of Hoovers.

"Maytag will be a much leaner organization, capable of better serving customers and more rapid decision-making," Hake said.

The company also lowered earnings guidance for the second quarter and all of 2004 to between $1 and $1.10 a share. Analysts surveyed by Thomson First Call had expected full-year earnings of between $2.25 to $2.40 a share.

Maytag said expects the "one-company" transformation to improve market competitiveness and achieve an 8 percent operating profit margin goal in the first quarter of 2005.

Analysts earlier this year said Hoover was a weak point for Maytag. In the first quarter, Hoover revenues dropped 22 percent and the brand lost market share in both higher priced vacuum cleaners - those selling for $300 or $400 - and at the lower-end pricing levels below $100.

Maytag shares fell $2.01, or about 8 percent, to $24.28 Friday on the New York Stock Exchange.

ON THE NET

Maytag: http://www.maytag.com/

Hoover: http://www.hoover.com/

North Canton: http://northcanton.com/gov.html

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 20:12:34 (MDT)

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Anyone notice that 519 on ebay....or wait...is it a 516?? HMMMM the person mixes them up...oh..and does anyone recognize the picture?? From ANYWHERE? ;)

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 18:55:05 (MDT)

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Well, the article was published in the Daily Herald today. It actually is a very well written piece of human interest. It has pictures of both me and Jeff right in the middle of a sea of vacuums. Jeff's prize-winning Golden Convertible with ribbons is featured as well as my restored Lux LX with the "brand new" hose from Tania Voight. As I said, very well written. Hopefully it will spur some interest for new membership.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 18:18:50 (MDT)

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Thanks Charlie, for doing a fabulous job keeping up the site! You rock, and I appreciate all that you do for us!

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Wednesday, June 02, 2004 at 17:54:44 (MDT)

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I just made a test posting and it bounced -- I had forgotten to re-enable the posting function after I finished the archiving.

If y'all ever try to post something and it craps out, please let me know, so I can (hopefully!) fix the problem -- you can always reach me at the site's email address ----- info@vaccc.com.

Thx

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Wednesday, June 02, 2004 at 11:54:40 (MDT)

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Hello dear Vaccc'ers ---

I have just archived May's postings - see links to the archives just above this section. I am going to TRYYYY to stay on top of this from month to month!

Enjoy!!

Charlie Lester
Hollywood, CA USA - Tuesday, June 01, 2004 at 14:04:16 (MST)

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Charlie L:

I like your packing guidlines, very thorough. I've had a few times where I've wondered how something would fit in a box, but always made sure when I sent something that the box was packed solid, and there was no flopping. Only once have I had something I sent be damaged, and my fault or UPS's I replaced the broken part.

My worst challenge has been sending Dial-a-Matic power drives to Australia. They end up going very disassembled and in seperate boxes. One for the base and another for the upright part, handle detached. Along with that went typed instructions on how to re-assemble too...

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Monday, May 31, 2004 at 14:50:24 (MDT)

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Following is my standard shipping instructions referred to in my previous post --- as I said, feel free to use this if you wish.

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Here are some tips on packing. This may seem presumptuous of me but please don't take it that way -- I don't mean to insult your intelligence ... I have simply learned not to assume that everyone knows how to properly pack a heavy item for shipping.

These instructions may seem very long and complicated, but just take them one step at a time and it will be a breeze!

The long handle of the sweeper motor -may- detach from the motor part at the bottom. If it does detach, easily I mean, there will be a screw or thumb screw holding the handle in place, and some sort of plug assembly where the cord attaches. If the handle does -not- come off easily, without having to un-wire or cut the cord, don't worry about it -- just sent the whole thing intact. It will, however, complicate packing the machine just a little.

Go to your local Mailboxes Etc. type of shipping place to get packing supplies. here is what you will need:

(a) If you can�t separate the handle from the machine, get two tall lamp-type shipping cartons. If you were able to remove the handle, you'll just need one box as long as it is at least 36-42" tall.Get the largest diameter box you can, probably 14" x 14" x 14". These will cost about $5 each. Whatever kind of box you get, make sure it's sturdy and well constructed.

(b) About 15 ft. of "big bubble" bubble wrap (about $5) -- the kind with bubbles about 3/4" in size, not the "tiny bubbles" kind.

(c) About two bushel baskets' worth of sytro peanuts (about $10)

(d) A roll of packaging tape, about $3

(Please do NOT use crumpled up newspaper, chunks of styrofoam from your new TV, etc. --- UPS does not treat large heavy packages very well, and the only way to ensure safe arrival is to pack carefully in a large sturdy carton with the proper kind of materials. If you do not have this stuff on hand and need to purchase it, I'll be happy to reimburse you. Rather that than to shed tears -- again -- over a nice old vintage sweeper that got here in a thousand pieces.......)

PACKING

1. Remove the cloth dust bag from the machine. First, remove the top of the bag from the tall handle -- there should be a long spring that unclips from the handle. Then remove the bag from the motor. If the bag have not been removed in a long time. it would be much better to leave it alone than than to risk damaging it. If the bag does come off, loosely roll it up with the open end of the bag tucked inside the roll, and store it in a sealed plastic bag.

2. LOOSELY wrap the cord around the handle. Don�t wrap it too tight as it may cause the outer rubber insulation-covering to crack.

3. Wrap the machine with 2-3 turns of bubble wrap and tape the bubble wrap securely in place. Make sure the front edges of the motor unit, the wheels, etc., are especially well protected. If you could not get the handle off, you can just wrap up the whole thing, otherwise, wrap the handle and motor unit separately.

4. Open out one of the lamp boxes and securely tape one end of it. Stand the box on the taped end.

5. If you are using two boxes, fold the second box into a "V" shape and slide it into the first one. Don't slide it all the way in, but just far enough so that the total height of the two boxes will exceed the height of the sweeper by about a foot. After you slide the second box in, spread it out with your hands into the first box. This might be a little tricky since both boxes are the same diameter. After you have spread out the box, tape around the "seam" where the two boxes overlap with several turns of tape. (Note: If the handle does easily remove from the machine, this step will not be necessary -- just skip this part and go on to step 6.)

6. Dump about a 6" layer of styro peanuts into the bottom of the large box. Place the sweeper into the box, centering it in the middle. If the attachments and flexible hose will fit in the same box, with room around for padding, you can slide these things down next to the machine and handle. (Note: You might have to pack the attachments and the machine in two separate cartons, if there is a box or caddy that holds the attachments. In that case, it will probably be less expensive to pack those items in a separate, smaller box than to put everything in one huge box.)

7. Dump more peanuts down into the box, lightly jiggling the box to help the peanuts settle all aournd the contents. Pour enough peanuts into the box so that they are up to the very top of the box and even bulging out so that when you press down on the flaps, the peanuts will be pressed together and "seal" the machine in place.

8. Insert a packing slip INSIDE the box as well as on the outside, in case the outer labels or marking come off.

9. Seal the other end of the box, and you�re ready to go!

If you pack the attachments and hose in a second box, just pretty much do the same thing as for the machine -- wrap the attachment caddy or carton, if there is one, in bubble wrap, and also the hose, making sure the metal ends of the hose are well protected so they will not get smashed. The hose can coil up around the attachments on top, but just make sure to tuck the metal ends in toward the middle of the box so they don�t rest near the edges where they can get bashed.

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 19:23:42 (MDT)

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Boy, can I ever relate to shipping disaster stories. I have had far more than my fair share. Here are two of the most incredible:

1. One time, a guy sent an old Kingston tank that he stuck in a flimsy box and "padded" the contents with plastic 2-liter soda bottles, not all of them empty, and a few handfuls of crumbled-up newspaper. The plastic bottles got smahed and busted up as UPS volleyballed the carton across the country. By the time it got here, there was a big hole bashed into one end of the carton. Soda goo from the plastic bottles got splattered all over the machine and the inside of the box. I had had the box shipped to my church office (I am a church organist for those who may not know it). The pastor was standing there when I opened it. His eyes bugged at the mess -- the goo, the busted-up soda bottles, the machine itself which looked like it had been pulled from a septic tank and was all full of dirt and cooties. The pastor said, "You take that mess out to the dumpster right now! Lord only knows what the heck's in that box!!

2. A lady who found my web site sent me her mother's vintage Kirby 510. She wrote and told me all about it -- was all original because it had been hardly used; was a wedding gift. All the original boxes and attachments. Well, it had the original box alright, and that's what she sent the machine to me in, with no padding or protection for the machine! The box, being 50+ years old, was of course fragile and brittle. It was all bashed up by the time it got here, plus it was ruined with all the UPS stickers and labels. To make matters worse, the UPS man left the box on my unenclosed front porch. When I got home, it was pouring rain. Imagine how my heart sank down to my toenails when I saw, from the street, a big maroon KIRBY box dripping, soaking wet, collapsing and melting like the Wicked Witch of the West. Again, most of the loose small parts were long gone by the time it got here. A real shame, as the machine had been in near-mint condition.

Now, whenever I get anything big or heavy on eBay, I do not hesitate to send the seller specific shipping instructions. I'll follow this post with my "boilerplate" instructions, which are tailored as necessary for each particular situation. You are welcome to use this if you wish. It may well save you a vew tears and gnashed teeth!

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 18:59:57 (MDT)

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It sounds as though people are having such fun with shipping matters. I have had a couple problems myself. I bought a cheap 511 Kirby online. The lady said it ran fine. I got it with no box and wrapped in duct tape fully assembled. The handle was busted along with the bag and no cord. Its really starting to turn me away from ebay anymore!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 23:02:50 (MDT)

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Fred S.: I'm amazed that a perfectly nice model 68 can't make its way 300 miles or so to Chicago from Kentucky, but yet Hoovers can make it all the way from Australia perfectly... Well there was my Dynamatic that took 8 months to get here, Australia post kept sending it off to Finland for some goofy reason.

My friend John who lives in Sydney told me about another Hoover he'd won from ebay. It was coming from somewhere in western Australia, and when the cleaner arrived at John's place, the seller had simply wrapped the bulk of the cleaner in newspaper, leaving the handle exposed, and then sealed everything with masking tape. It was intact and undamaged when it arrived at John's too...

Unbelieveable how clueless some people are.

Hope everything turns out ok with your Connie!

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 21:18:14 (MDT)

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Dear Members:

For those of you planning on attending the convention in just a few short weeks, here is the planned schedule of events. This will also appear in the next newsletter but by posting early, I hope it will help you with making plans.

VCCC CONVENTION SCHEDULE JUNE 2004 CHICAGO:

THURSDAY, JUNE 17

No planned group activities. Registration will begin in the afternoon once we are set up and ready "to receive". All attendees will need to sign in and will receive a registration packet that will contain maps to Fred Nelson's house and Jeff Parker's house, several "vacuum gifts" and REQUIRED name tags. Places to go thrifting/vac store raiding and competition rules will be in or have been in the newsletters.

Meals on your own. After registering, you will be able to bring your vacuums into our meeting room, first come--first serve. Payment of dues and registration fees will be verified. As stated before, "if the check is in the mail", you will need to pay and if the treasurer finds you have paid twice, you will be refunded most likely AFTER the event.

8:00pm--An imprumptu welcome by the President and Board. Review of agenda, any changes and competition rules.

FRIDAY, JUNE 18

9:30-10:30am--Board has private meeting. We will try to keep it to one hour. Registration will continue.

10:30-12:30pm--1st half of historical cleaning competition. 1st time for 1960-1980 vacuums.

12:30-1:115pm--Box lunch provided. Choice of sandwich with chips and beverage.

1:15-(no later than 4:00pm, hopefully earlier)--Competition break till Saturday.

Members will be divided into groups to visit Jeff Parker's famed "HOOVERLAND". Please STICK with assigned time slots and DO NOT DEVIATE from this schedule, (unless you are not planning to be part of the group activity). Those not going to Jeff's first may do vac hunting or stay in the meeting room to play with vacuums.

6:30pm--Caravan assembles in hotel parking lot for drive to Fred Nelson's house for buffet dinner.

7:30--approx. 10:00pm--Dinner, (lets eat first!), and visiting Fred's collection. Members divided into teams for "Vacuum Games" with fabulous prizes. Viewing of "Welcome To Chicago" video.

10:00pm--? Free time for the night owls.

SATURDAY, JUNE 19

9:30-(no later than) 11:30am--Club meeting. New President and Board Member elected. Discussion and resolution of member and Board concerns.

11:30 (or earlier)-12:30pm--Lunch break on your own. Hotel has great restaurant and restaurants nearby.

12:45-(no later than 4:00pm--2nd part of cleaning competition.

4:00-6:00pm--ALL MEMBERS LEAVE MEETING ROOM. President and judges to evaluate competition results, (lets keep it a secret this year folks!) and determine winners for non-cleaning categories.

Hotel will prepare room for dinner. Members can rest, visit Jeff Parker, go thrifting, etc.

6:15-7:00pm--"Social Hour" before dinner.

7:00-8:30pm--Buffet dinner

8:30-9:00pm--Blue ribbons and other awards presented.

9:00-9:45--Presentation by the "Legendary" Don Clark, formerly of Air-Way.

9:45-10:15pm--Special video, (262 picture video photo album of the last 4 convetions!), closing comments.

10:15-?--Free time for the night owls.

SUNDAY, JUNE 20

Convention is officially over. Please have ALL vacuums and vacuum related materials out of meeting room by NOON or hotel will dispose of anything left.

Remainder of day for thrifting, estate sales, or returning home.

THIS SCHEDULE MAY BE ADJUSTED, EMENDED OR CHANGED BY THE PRESIDENT AND OR BOARD AS DEEMED NECESSARY.

Hopes this gives you a good overview of what is going on. We are packing in a lot in 48+ hours. Volunteers will be needed. If interested, please see me or a Board Member at registration time. We need people to judge the competition, "man the door", be "dirt spreaders", sell raffle tickets, keep track of time and stokes during the competition, etc. I'm counting on you to help operate YOUR convention.

Everybody, have a fabulous and safe holiday weekend!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Saturday, May 29, 2004 at 07:34:59 (MDT)

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So, the latest in my saga: ((Not that anyone cares)) ;)

The post office said that the insurance claim would be denied--because the item was improperly packaged. And no word from the seller as of yet. Go figure.

Thats all for now! Cheers!

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Friday, May 28, 2004 at 10:00:15 (MDT)

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Oh, RJ... thankyouthankyouthankyou!

Jeff- I am shuddering from disgust after reading about your 68 tragedy... some people, i tell ya... They cut the wire??...

Well, I'm going to be interested in what this person has to say to the very well-worded E-mail that I sent her.

Enough for one night.. thanks again everyone for listening to me go on about this..

Happy Vacuuming.

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 22:38:29 (MDT)

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To Fred S-

I have a spare white handle for the blue 86. I can bring it to convention with me, or if you'd like it sooner, let me know & I'll send it beforehand.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 22:10:06 (MDT)

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Fred,

Glad to hear you had a good time with Deb. I agree with you it will be a fun story and portray the club in a very positive light.

My dog Jack also loved Deb, and as soon as she picked up one of his toys she was cooked. They wound up playing for 10 minutes in the living room so the photographer could shoot. The reason being is that everytime the photographer tried to get a wide shot, Jack would go and park himself in the picture, which prompted the photographer to comment that Jack's got some HAM in him.

Model 33: I love the cleaner, I have two in my collection. The one on display is the one my mother bought in January 1964, and she used it until 1998. In those 34 years it only had repairs made twice, once about 1973 for a broken handle bail and an outer bag that was more shreds than anything, and again in 1994 when I restored it to "new" for her using parts from about 3 other model 33's I had sitting around. Every once in a while I bring it upstairs and run it just for nostalgia.

Fred S: A few weeks ago I won a model 68 from ebay. It looked nice in the pictures, but there were some surprises when I opened the box: First the handle bail was broken...sure, lemme just pull an aqua blue handle bail outta my A**...but the real heartbreaker was the handle itself. The cleaner was shipped with the bag attached, and the upper handle was seperated from the lower. Well for whatever reason, they cut the wire that runs up the handle...

Similar stuff has happened to all of us...

I feel your pain...

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 20:42:30 (MDT)

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Jeff and all:

Well, we just had the interview and photographs. As Jeff said, Deb is a lovely lady and the photographer was very nice too. (She wasn't the one you had Jeff). They were genuinely interested in the hobby. The photographer was clearly interested in the design aspects of the machines as she stayed behind to do some "artsy" shots of the Lurelle Guild-designed Lux Model 30. My dog Bridgett found her sprawled on the floor to get some neat shots.

The surprise of the visit was their fascination with one machine out of the 50 or so that they saw - the Lewyt Big Wheels (thank you Charlie Lester). I, of course, told the history of why I liked the machine. I saw it on "The Bob Cummings Show" when Bob's sister was carrying one down the stairs after a day of cleaning while Bob just returned from the golf course with the story being "Men have it easy".

The photographer was genuinely interested in all the design aspects of the machines and made me pose among the upright handles. (I am ready for my close-up Mr. Demille!)

Well, we will see how it all turns out. Given the truly nice Midwestern types that they are, I am sure that the story, if run, will portray us in a very positive and interesting light. It is always interesting to have someone else look at your collection. It gives you a whole different perspective on it.

BTW Jeff, the 33 is also one of my favorites. My mom bought one at Polk Brothers and used it for years. I always loved that color! (Although was always sort of disappointed that it wasn't the "Deluxe" model with the wrap-around bumper and headlight.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 17:30:40 (MDT)

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Jeff and Fred~

Sounds like its going to be a fun article!! Thanks for giving the club good PR!

Ok. On a more personal level and note, I need HELP!

I am honestly on the edge of going crazy.. not to mention, Furious.

So earlier this month, I saw an auction that I thought would be neat to win-- see eBay item 2397521499 (a Hoover Constellation 86-the blue model like in "Who's Minding the Store?"

I followed the seller's directions of getting payment in on time, etc. I waited for my check to clear. It did. I got an email from the seller, saying that she "misplaced" my address. Hmm...

I got home today and there was the tag saying "oops, we missed you, come and pick up this package at the post office..." So I did.

There were a few dents in the box, and it sounded like something was broken or shaking around in the box.

Boy, was it ever. The Rug and Floor tool was completely shattered, and the machine's handle was broken off...

I took pictures, and emailed the seller--she charged me ten dollars more than it cost to ship the item--ten dollars I would not mind paying, however the item wasn't "handled." At least throwing the item with its accessories in a recycled box from Arby's and taping it shut (without newspaper, bubble wrap, styrofoam, or packing peanuts) does not fall under my definition of the word "Handling."

So, if anyone has a spare floor tool, or an extra white handle for a Constellation, let me know!

Boy, it feels good to vent !

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 17:00:25 (MDT)

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To Fred Nelson:

A cleaner can be entered into a particular category for the contest UNTIL it wins a blue ribbon. After that, it's retired from competing in THAT category again. Your beautiful AeroDyne can and should be entered this year.

We do have a Hall Of Fame for cleaners that have won double ribbons (in restored or original AND cleaning), those machines are then 'retired' from competition. That allows others to enter machines and have a fair chance of winning.

It would be great to get together the pictures of all the cleaners that have double ribbons for a Photo Shoot for the next newsletter.

I'm so excited about the meeting. It will be my first 'vacation' since last year's meeting. Can't wait to see everyone, long time members as well as all the 'new' faces.

tom gasko
park hills, mo. USA - Thursday, May 27, 2004 at 10:34:35 (MDT)

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Fred,

You are kinda wicked for asking me that, but I'll answer you as I answered Deb: I don't have one specific favorite, what I do have is many that are very near and dear to me

One is the 1060 Convertible that belonged to my grandmother, mainly because I've known it since it came out of the box back in 1967.

Model 33 is another one I've known all my life, my earliest memories are of trying to push that cleaner across the old braided rug we had in our den.

I like the Dial-A-Matics too, they fascinated me as a child because they were so different, a cleaner in my opinion years ahead of its time.

I like my UK and Australian machines too. The Dynamatic, the Juniors, the Senior and the two Aussie Convertibles. Its fascinating to me to see how they did it elsewhere. I'm thinking that I'll be entering the 6525B Australian Convertible in the cleaning contest this year.

I also chuckle at the secretary thing. Its month-end at work, I put in 13 hours on Monday and 15 yesterday. Today could have easily been just as long, but I ran out the door at 4pm leaving more than a few things unfinished. I'd told my boss last week I had an apointment with a reporter for an interview, but not what about. She was still curious today, so I've invited her to stop by this weekend sometime to see the new deck I just had built out back. When she walks down the steps from the living room and through the curtain, she'll find out. She's pretty hip, I think she'll get a kick out of it.

Let me know how your interview goes with Deb!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 20:59:18 (MDT)

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Fred Nelson and Jeff Parker,

Deb called me yesterday and we spoke at two different times for about an hour and a half. She wanted the entire history of the club and a profile of what the VCCC is all about.

As you know, I'm not much of a talker(?) so I had a great time telling her about our history and some of the members, not by name of course!

She was interested in why we collect, how we got started, what we like and why, etc. I had been a guest on a local talk radio show last week in Charlotte and the host asked many of the same questions.

I did invite Deb to visit us during the convention so she could "take it all in" first hand and see what we are all about and the club dynamics. I stressed that fact that vacuums brought us together and at the same time wonderful friendships have been established and have created mini-families all over the country.

I hope she is able to visit us and special thanks should be sent to Steve Keisler for making this all happen. We hope to see him in Chicago as well.

Later this week, I will be posting the entire schedule of events so those planning on attending will know what is going on. There have been many inquiries and the sooner you have this information, the sooner you can make appropriate plans.

Best wishes to all and see you in a few short weeks!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 20:51:45 (MDT)

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Jeff:

Alright, I am going to be wicked and ask: "Which one is your favorite?" I guess if I had to say for myself, it would be the Hoover AeroDyne since I went to so much trouble to get it and it won a ribbon in the competition. Taking Tom's lead, I may enter it in the cleaning contest again with some changes. Since it didn't win last time, I believe that the rules allow me to enter it again. I will practice and see how I do.

My assistant saw my appointment with Deb on my calendar. Usually, she is too discreet to ask any questions about my personal affairs, but an appointment with a reporter was too much for her. She asked me why I was meeting a reporter at home. I "came out" to her about my vacuum obsession and she thought it was great and ended up copying the last few issues of the newsletter for me to give to Deb. This ought to be fun and good PR for the club. I will let you all know what transpires.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 19:42:54 (MDT)

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Thanks everyone for answering my questions about rug shampooing... if I choose to do it, I'll let you know how it turns out. But it seems like more work than necessary--I love my SteamVac and the job that it does.

In regards to the "me moving" comment from my previous post, long story--but I'm not going to be getting rid of any of my prized possesions. :)

I'm getting excited about the convention!!

Thats all for now-

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 17:50:26 (MDT)

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I arrived home at 4:15 this afternoon to find Deb Donovan from the Daily Hearald sitting on my front steps... She was early, and the photographer had not yet arrived, so we came in and I showed her to Hooverland. She stayed for over an hour and we had a nice talk. She did ask which was my favorite machine, but the rest of the interview was more on colors and what year this or that machine came from, how long had I been collecting, and history. When she asked me what I'd recommend, I asked her right back "What do you want it to do for you?" The photographer took what seemed like a ton of pictures, some of me(UGH!) and lots of the vacuums. I brought the Golden Convertible down from the office, and I made sure it got photographed, as well as the British and Australian made Hoovers I have. It was a good time.

Fred, you'll enjoy talking to Deb, she seemed quite nice and was really interested in my collection. It will be a fun time.

One thing Deb couldn't do was give me the exact date the article will run... it will be either June 6th or 13th, and will be in the "Homes Plus" section on the front page.

I can't wait to see how it all turns out!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 at 17:12:31 (MDT)

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Tom Gasko,

THANK YOU so much for the taking are of the "dirt mixture". I'm sure you remember from your Presidential days that there is a ton of stuff to do at the last minute and this just makes it easier for me! Bless you!

I will be in touch with Patti at the hotel to check on the 220 line. I think she will do everything in her power to help us. Since her husband is an airline guy and I am too, we have formed a great bond that will help us in several ways.

As Fred Nelson mentioned, this convention is going to be lots of fun and since it is my "last hurrah" as President, we have planned a lot of really fun vacuum related/themed activities.

I hope to see as many of you that can attend. Thanks again Tom for your help.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Monday, May 24, 2004 at 20:43:21 (MDT)

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Here is the text of the email I received from the writer for the Daily Herald:

Dear Fred:

How are you? I am a writer for the Daily Herald, and I am going to do a

story about your club. I have an appointment next week to go visit Jeff

Parker. Steven Keisler told me about the club, then said he was promptly

leaving for Wisconsin for two weeks, so I can't include a picture of him in

the story.

Would you be willing to let us visit your home and shoot a few pictures of

your collection? We need to do this next week to get it in before the

convention.

This is a very fun story.

Deb Donovan, Homes writer, Daily Herald.

I have been thinking about all the questions she can ask including "How many vacuums do you have" Geez, I am going to have to count them, they are all over the place.

"What is your favorite" or, even worse "If you could only have one, which one would it be" Yikes!! Welcome to my worst nightmare.

Tom, I will tell her that the Dyson is the machine that is used to figure out how much dirt is left after the competition. That should pretty well sum it up.

Hope everyone is planning on attending. Charlie has some great stuff planned!

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Monday, May 24, 2004 at 20:15:56 (MDT)

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To Scott Wilson-

Most Compacts were originally painted with wrinkle-finish paint. The way it's done in commercial applications involves equipment not readily available to the hobbyist. However, there are some alternatives.

If the existing paint is in fairly good condition (maybe a few nicks, but no big chunks missing) it can be re-coated with an oil-based paint that should be available from you local paint store. Apply a VERY FINE coat with a brush, and use your brush to "push" the paint into the wrinkle texture underneath.

When selecting your paint, remember that most wrinkle-finishes are matte finishes, and should not be high gloss.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Monday, May 24, 2004 at 19:19:41 (MDT)

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To Fred S.-

I've often used the "two-step" method of carpet cleaning that Fred Nelson described below. First I shampoo with the Hoover Shampoo-Polisher, then I extract with a Rainbow Aqua-Mate (or other extractor) using only clear water to rinse. The carpets come out cleaner than with any other method I've ever used. (It makes sense, doesn't it? After all, we wash and rinse our dishes, clothes, bodies, etc.)

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Monday, May 24, 2004 at 19:06:30 (MDT)

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To Charlie W.:

I'd be happy to bring the dirt mixture to the convention. For anyone interested, the 'dirt' mixture recipe is: 4 lbs dry Capture Carpet Cleaner, 8 pounds fine, white sand, 2 lbs talc.

This mixture best represents real world dirt, without making our vintage cleaners dirty.

Capture represents coarse dirt, found in the middle and top of a carpet, sand of course represents the grit that destroys carpets (and must be removed at all costs), the talc represents the fine dust. It's in proportion to the other ingredients. It's role in the contest is to clog the vacuum bag (just as fine dust does), allowing the true nature of a vacuum design to come through. If the machine is not designed to handle fine dust well, it will show up. Capture fills a bag and presents difficulty to the machine only in the need for sufficient airflow to remove it to the bag. Sand removal represents how well a particular design (as well as the operator's movements) achieve the most important step in rug cleaning.

PLEASE people, if you are entering the cleaning contest, PRACTICE your technique.

I've been a judge at these contests long enough to have seen blue ribbons lost because the operator pushed too fast, or didn't adjust his machine properly (or the belt wasn't tight), etc.

The VCCC's Dyson, when used for contest purposes, allows the judges to not only weigh what the contestant vacuum has left in the rug, it also allows us to see the particular dirt ratio that's been left.

The Dyson separates the Capture and sand, from the talc, within the cyclones. It's easy to see, for example, little sand yet lots of talc, after a Hoover for example. Yet it's common to see much sand and almost no talc after an Electrolux.

YOUR TECHNIQUE in pushing and pulling the machine can MAKE OR BREAK a blue ribbon.

You have 16 strokes, eight forward and eight backward. MAKE THEM COUNT. Evaluate your machine before the convention. Use it on your own dirt 'mixture'. What pushing speed results in the best cleaning? Is there a 'best' way to hold the nozzle and wand? Experiment your way to a blue ribbon.

CHARLIE:

Would you please find out for me if the hotel meeting room has a 220 volt outlet in it. Last year we didn't have one, but the year before we did. Often, for portable food service appliances, these rooms do indeed have a 220 volt outlet. I would like to know before the meeting, as I have several 220 volt vacuums to bring (like the Electrolux model 25) Thanks for finding out for me.

To Fred Nelson and Jeff P:

When your magazine writer interviews you, one of the questions will surely be about modern vacuums and your opinion of them. I know you both like the Vintage models best (don't we all) - but there really are some very good modern vacuums, and not all of them are $1000. If they ask your opinion about bagless, please remember how well our club's Dyson performs. Jeff, your Golden Anniversary Hoover should definately be one you show. And Fred, your Hoover Aerodyne is 'to die for' gorgeous. You must show them off. Have fun with your interviews. And congratulations. Can't wait to see the article.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Monday, May 24, 2004 at 18:31:55 (MDT)

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Well kids, I am SO HAPPY to see such activity in the forum! Keep it up!!

I just got back from a "mini-meet" in Palm Springs with Martin Rocha, Kyle Mathews and new member Rick Benedict. I am going to post photos after I get settled back in after the weekend. We had lots of fun although the "thrift shopping" was overall disappointing as it is getting to be, more and more. Stay tuned.......

Charles R. Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 20:51:01 (MDT)

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Just a follow-up to this shampooing thread -

The only time I actually use a machine and rug shampoo (I have a beautiful blue Hoover 5460) is when the rug is particularly dirty. In that case I shampoo first (using only the highest quality rug shampoo - preferably commercial grade) and the follow immediately thereafter with extraction with either clear water or a light solution of extraction solution. I call this the two-step method. The problem with rug shampoo is getting it out of the rug. Extracting does a great job. The shampoo loosens the dirt the the extractor gets it out. Thank God those old Hoovers and Electrolux triple-brush machines still work great on polishing the wood floors!

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 18:18:44 (MDT)

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Fred,

RESIST THE URGE MAN!!! I've used my Hoover Floormax to shampoo, as well as the Kirby system with mediocre results. As Fred Nelson mentioned, the key is not overwetting, and vacuuming LOTS after its dry(A cleaner with a very agressive brush is best, such as a Concept or Windtunnel) With the Hoover you have a little more control, as you're squeezing a trigger to dispense soap.

I bought a steamvac last year when the basement flooded, and I use it regularly in my living/dining rooms especially in the traffic areas. Since my front door is located between these rooms and opens directly onto carpeting, its more than paid for itself, and the carpet doesen't look as dirty as quickly as it does using the shampoo method.

Just my two cents worth....

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 16:11:24 (MDT)

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Hey Fred -

To store wands I use a bucket or round container that stands the wands on end. You can then easily pick out the ones you want without disrupting the rest.

Rug shampooing is an older method for cleaning rugs - not that I would know anything about older methods. If you have a Hoover Shampooer with the shampoo tank, don't overwet the rug with the shampoo, let it dry and then vacuum the heck out of the rug. The trick is to not overwet the rug, then let it dry and vacuum the dry residue like crazy. It works, but not as easy as with the new extraction methods. The Hoover Steamvac does the best job.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 14:00:37 (MDT)

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One more thing--

Has anyone ever used a Hoover floor polisher to shampoo their rugs? I am kinda itching to try it, but I don't know what the outcome would be.

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 13:46:42 (MDT)

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Hello Everyone-

So, I have been spending some time in my basement doing the 'never ending organizing/cleaning/purging' in preparation for a move this summer (not looking forward to that)... I was wondering how y'all store and organize the wands from your machines. I have them at the bottom of two cabinets, just piled up (in a Hoover and non-Hoover pile), and I know there has to be a better way of storing them. Thats all for now.

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 13:44:25 (MDT)

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Charlie and all:

Jeff Parker and I have received phone calls from Deb Donovan, Homes Writer from a local paper The Daily Herald to come and see our collections and do a piece in the paper about the club before the convention. She will be visiting Jeff and his collection this coming Wednesday and visiting me the next day. Looks like we will be getting some local press coverage. I'll keep you posted.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 09:22:19 (MDT)

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Charlie and all:

Jeff Parker and I have received phone calls from Deb Donovan, Homes Writer from a local paper The Daily Herald to come and see our collections and do a piece in the paper about the club before the convention. She will be visiting Jeff and his collection this coming Wednesday and visiting me the next day. Looks like we will be getting some local press coverage. I'll keep you posted.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 09:22:01 (MDT)

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Does anyone know where I can get green paint to restore/repaint a compact canister? Its bluish green metalflake from all appearances. THank you.

Scott Wilson
Phoenix, AZ USA - Sunday, May 23, 2004 at 07:56:27 (MDT)

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Dear Tom,

Thanks for your really nice and informative posting here. We have missed you lately!

The Dyson was shipped to Fred Stachnik and he is bringing it to Chicago with him. He wanted to examine it in detail and since we all know him to be reponsible and a real vacuum enthusiast I know it is in good hands. Maybe some day he will be one of our officers?

Tom, I've been meaning to ask you or phone but time keeps getting by me and there are always a 1000 diversions, would you be able to do me and the club a HUGE favor? Would you bring the ingredints for the "dirt" mixture with you and we will gladly reimburse for the expense incurred. This would help me out greatly and if you can do that then I think, (for the moment), that all the bases are covered.

Re: touring the Dyson factory--any members interested are welcome to attend with you. On Friday per our schedule, we will be havng the first half of the vac competition in the morning, a box lunch will then be provided, competition will then continue until we break into groups to tour Jeff Parker's collection and go thrifting/vac shop hunting, etc. At approx. 6:30 pm, a caravan will meet in the hotel parking lot for the drive to Fred Nelson's for a visit of his collection and then a buffet dinner with other activities to follow.

A complete agenda will be in the newsletter due out the first week of June.

Tom, I know for you that the Dyson factory tour will outweigh the other events! I will leave it to members to decide what they would like to do. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Let me know on the dirt mixture and again, thanks for posting and don't be a stranger.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Saturday, May 22, 2004 at 19:29:08 (MDT)

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To Charlie Watrous:

I'm very happy to hear you have a wonderful Legend II Kirby. They were my favorite model that Kirby ever made. Truly a beautiful machine.

I recently got a Coronado tank cleaner, really a Kingston that was private labeled for Gimbels Department Stores. It was kept in a 'cart' (called a Car-e-vac) so it never got scratched up or banged up. The hose and tools are mint. The machine is a gorgeous copper color and runs VERY well. The motor has a date of February, 1950. I'm going to bring it to the convention.

Stan Kann and I had a nice visit on the Wednesday before my birthday. WE had a great time, he brought me a Lewyt 66 that someone had given to him. He doesn't like 'modern' type vacuums, as you know. Anything after world war II is too modern for Stan. I'm not a big Lewyt fan (have a model 44 that I like though), so it's one of the machines I'm bringing to give away at the convention. Also, I have a nice GE Tidy that I'll also bring for the 'free' pile.

Have you ever used a Royal Standard? It's a straight suction Royal with a very tall handle from about 1918. The bag opening is oval and the bag empties only from the bottom. The suction is amazing. I recently was gifted with one, and I just can't get over how much power the Royal had, especially so early on.

Now that you have the Kirby, is the dyson just sitting, gathering dust? I'll be sure to give it a hug (smile) at the meeting, as it must be VERY lonely at your house. By the way, Dyson Company is planning a tour of their offices and their vintage Dyson display on Friday. I'm going to go, and if any other club members want to take an hour or so to go, they are more than welcome.

Can't wait to see everyone at the meeting.

Tom G.

tom gasko
park hills, MO USA - Saturday, May 22, 2004 at 10:28:49 (MDT)

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Hey everybody-

I was wondering if anyone needs any parts off of a Hoover 61--either pieces here and there or the entire machine, less the bag. I'm not sure if the agitators are there either.

Let me know asap.. otherwise the machines are going in the trash.

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Thursday, May 20, 2004 at 14:05:47 (MDT)

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Attention Convention Going Members:

A few updates to help you:

The hotel is going to save various size boxes for shipping your vacuums home if you need to ship. Please bring or purchase your own packing material and tape. You can ship on Fed Ex if you provide a credit card number. This can be done ahead of time to make life easier. Call 1-800-GO-FEDEX.

If you plan on an early arrival on Thursday, either by driving in or flying in, (red eyes included), and would like to check in early for some down time, please let the hotel know and if you run into any obstacles, call PATTI CRICK, the Sales & Catering Manager. She has assured me that early arrivals will be able to get into their rooms if you contact IN ADVANCE!! Otherwise check-in time is 3:00 PM or later. Be forewarned!

Lastly, if you are shipping vacuums, DO NOT HAVE THEM ARRIVE PRIOR TO WEDNESDAY, JUNE 16th. Wednesday or later is fine. Please do ship them to this address:

Holiday Inn Itasca

ATTN: PATTI CRICK

VCCC CONVENTION MATERIALS

860 Irving Park Road

Itasca, IL 60143

I will be sending a like message to our members as well. I hope this helps with your travel and shipping plans. See you in June.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Wednesday, May 19, 2004 at 08:13:32 (MDT)

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To Charlie:

I just wanted to say thanks again for the 27, it is absolutely beautiful, and the one cleaner I need to complete the 1940's uprights. Tom Anderson also happened to have an extra model 27 original bag, so when you see the cleaner again it will be as it was new. I think in all the years I've been collecting, I've only seen two other model 27's, one in the Hoover Historical Center, and one in Tom Anderson's collection.

To Marty:

I'd love the 27 tools, that would round out the ensemble very nicely. Thanks very much.

Looking forward to seeing everyone next month too!

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Saturday, May 15, 2004 at 20:23:32 (MDT)

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Dear Club,

I have been reading some of the posts in the forum about the high prices being paid on Ebay for certain model machines. I feel you have lost sight of the forest because all the darn trees are in the way. Eventhough the prices are going higher on some models to outrageous levels. We must see the fact that they are not being thrown into the trash . At least someone with more money than sense will take care of the thing. And perhaps other machines will be saved as a result. Be put on ebay and the prices may eventually drop.

When looking on ebay I have found that auctions with poor spelling and poor pictures do extremely poorly and have gotten several model 30s for next to nothing. And also have been surprised when the box arrives and it is fill with the vacuum AND original attachments. Thanks for listening.

Pierre

pierre
Nashville, IN USA - Saturday, May 15, 2004 at 10:23:32 (MDT)

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In my last post I said, "If people want to email me their wish lists, I'll publish them in the "Notices & News" section of the Newsletter." Of course, what I meant to say was, "If people want to email me their wish lists, I'll publish them in the "Notices & News" section of the WEB SITE."

Charles R. Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, May 14, 2004 at 19:55:20 (MDT)

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One thing that I think might be a fun and useful addition to the site would be to post people's "Sweeper Wish Lists." I know in my case, it's quite long and detailed -- not so much with vacuum cleaners per se, other than a couple of exceptions, but more of stuff like attachments & accessories to fill in some of the holes in my collection.

If people want to email me their wish lists, I'll publish them in the "Notices & News" section of the Newsletter.

Also, it would be nice to have some more general newsy items for that section ... photos of mini club get togethers, favorites from your collection, etc. etc. This is the sort of material that will really make this web site come alive with good content. And, yes, a notice about the Club meeting should have been posted and I guess I kinda dropped the ball on that. But since I am not able to attend (again), it just really wasn't a "big thing" in my mind, if you know what I mean, and it just didn't occur to me to post anything about it in the news section.

People, do feel free to email me with this kind of stuff that should be posted, especially important club-related news. And to make sure you've got my attention, or that you get what you want, don't hesitate to state clearly -- "PLEASE POST IN THE NEWS SECTION" or whatever---

The other thing I have wanted to do for a long time is put up a "rogue's gallery" of members. It would be within the secure members-only section of the site. There are so many people in the club now, and I haven't ever met most of y'all nor know what you look like. It would be nice to be able to put faces to names.

Few things would make me happier than to see this site really come alive and become a vibrant, "living" part of the VCCC experience.

Charles R. Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 22:20:01 (MDT)

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To Jeff Parker:

Since Charlie W. sent you a nice hoover 27, would you like a model 27 tool kit to go with it? It's yours if you want it as a thank you for sending me those Singer Power Glide bags! Let me know!

Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 16:39:41 (MDT)

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PS--I forgot to add, let's get back to some posting here people.

I'll start! Well, I sent Jeff Parker a Hoover 27 for his collection since he was missing one. Since he is generously let us tour his collection when we are in the Windy City and only needed the 27 to round out his collection, I thought why not send the one I have collecting dust on the shelf to Jeff? Anyway, he got it and reported back that he is really happy to find space for it in his collection. The 27 has some interesting history. Just ask Jeff or any of our Hoover people. I learned quite a bit about them from Tom Gasko about 2 years ago.

About two years back, I send Tania Voigt a complete Legend II, (the machine only), since she did not have ONE upright other than her Air-Way Scout. Well, I thought, she should have at least some kind of newer upright and the LG II went off to Milwaukee as a X-mas gift. I have always had a "soft spot" in my heart for that model of Kirby and told Chuck Chatham about a month or so ago and would he mind keeping an eye open for a decent one.

Lo and behold, about 2 weeks after that call, he took a LG II in on a trade, complete with hose, attachments, owner's manual, original box, and rug renovator. The machine ran fine but needed a definate "face lift" as I like my stuff fairly pristine. I had done over so many other Kirbys that I decided to treat myself to the "Kirby Rebuild" treatment for quite a few $$$--a partial use of my tax refund gift to myself. (Could they do the same for me for the same amount?) So, off it went off to Cleveland and came back several weeks ago truly looking, "Mint, New in Box!", (my favorite ebay description!), and now my spouse uses it daily for carpet and non-carpeted surfaces and claims to, "Love it!" And I no longer have to vacuum the downstairs!

The attachments and hose were near perfect but when I found how much it was going to cost to have it "Kirbyized", I felt I should at least get something else replaced. So, a member who shall remain nameless, suggested, I line up the attachments in the driveway and back over them with my ghetto cruiser to get them replaced since Kirby said they would replace any that were, "cracked and worn". Talk about cracking and wearing! If that two-ton tessie car went over them it would be more like piecemeal and dust rather than cracked and worn!

I ended up wrapping one end of the hose in a towel and "accidentally" backing over it. True, it was now cracked and worn and replaced by a new, out of the box, mauve LG II hose! Thank you nameless member for your suggestion.

Now that I have worn my fingers to the nubs with some recent "Charlie Watrous" prattlings, I hope you other posters will jump on the bandwagon and get the banter back. See how easy it was?

Till later.....................and happy vacuuming.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 12:13:34 (MDT)

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Dear Members:

I feel that those of you that post here regularly or just read regularly derserve a bit of an explanation re: the fairly recent "discussion" between our webmaster and a member.

Since I am President, it was brought to my attention and the Board's attention by both parties and they requested our individual responses.

I thought it prudent to talk with R. J. Vanik, Vice-President. The Board does not converse daily, weekly or monthly. We do not make conference calls, but rather, send emails and make phone calls as necessary.

R.J. agreed with me that, at the convention, the members, who own this website, will, through a poll and vote, decide if any changes are needed to the moderation of our website. If needed, a poll may be taken by way of our next newsletter for a broader range of opinions for those not attending.

Based on that input, it will be determined if we open the Forum to the general public, allow open chat pertaining to ebay and prices, and establish written guidelines via the members and Board to be implemented re: loss of membership due to "bad behavior", restrict posting for the same reason, remove postings for the same reason and any other disciplinary action.

On the Board's agenda for our meeting, the first topic has been the website for some time. Concerns have been raised about it's utilization, "User Friendliness" for members, opportunites for advertising and most recently lack of promoting the Chicago convention. All of this leads us to discuss the future of our website or possible lack thereof.

With all these thoughts in mind, our webmaster, like the Board, Editor and President, maintains and moderates our site as an unpaid kindness to and for the club. If we ask him to make too many changes in utilization, moderation and general guidelines, he may not want to continue in his role. And remember what we went through when I was no longer able to do the newsletter.............................

Please do not barrage with emails as I am computerless for some time and still use the computer at the library. If you have valid concerns, I ask you to voice them at the convention. If you are unable to attend and want your voice heard, I ask that you write them to me and mail them to my address so that they may be included at the convention meeting. If this seems "too" much trouble, please write to a specific Board Member and ask him or her to be your "spokesperson".

My posting here today is meant to be thought provoking and in no way confrontational. I ask for no negative postings, negative email or any condemnations. Just thinking about what is best for the future of our website and how it will benefit our club in it's growth and outreach.

As President for only about one more month, please work with me, each other, the Board, and Charlie Lester, our webmaster. I have gone to great lengths with several members to put together a great convention and I want to keep it fun and upbeat.

In closing I leave you with this thought: Our vacuum interest is our hobby. Hobbies are supposed to be fun. We are about vaccums and people and people and vacuums. Please, let's keep it that way!

My best wishes to all and thanks for your support for the last two years,

Charlie Watrous

VCCC President

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:48:15 (MDT)

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This is another test. (Sorry, have to run a couple of routine tests on the Posting System.)

This is only a test. Were it an actual posting, you would be reading something worthwhile here. However, since it's just a test, there is nothing to read.

Except, of course, for the test.

Charles R. Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 00:27:35 (MDT)

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Just a note to advise that I have streamlined the Forum page a little, mostly aesthetic considerations, and have finished archiving off all the old months. This should make using the Forum easier.

Charles R. Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, May 10, 2004 at 18:23:00 (MDT)

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This is a test.

Charles R. Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, May 10, 2004 at 18:21:20 (MDT)

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As to the Ebay flap, I believe that there are not many people out there willing to pay $700 for a General Electric C-3. Sure, several lunatics may, with lack of self control, pay BIG BUCKS for what to many of us is common and ordinary (I've thrown away more than 50 of those GE's in my lifetime - at one time they were everywhere).

Once the one or two people with that kind of money bid (and in some instances, don't pay), sure; many people will suddenly put grant grandma's old GE on ebay with high starting bids. The law of supply and demand will take over naturally. There will simply be no bids if the price is 'too high'.

Let us not forget that one of our club members has, ON THIS VERY FORUM, offered to pay crazy amounts for old Rexair vacuums. Crazy, crazy amounts. To me, I feel that if he wants to pay that much, let him. I'll be happy to drain his checking account. I thought those old Rexairs were worthless.

The point is, they really are worthless, to everyone except him. Well, maybe not worthless, but worth less than 1/8 of the amount he has offered to pay. But again, if he's offering, I'll bite. Daddy needs a new leather jacket.

I've seen ridiculous prices paid on eBay for things I wouldn't sell a dog. All in all, ebay is really self monitoring. Once the one fool and his money have parted, the prices for the rest of the vintage cleaners, comes back down to earth.

tom gasko
park hills, mo �USA - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 13:05:09 (MDT)

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Yes, I know, I said I was not going to post any further about eBay etc. However, after re-reading Prudence's excellent and thought-provoking posting, it occurred to me that there are a few lingering points that beg to be addressed.

First, I do want to point out that my remarks about high bidding on eBay have NEVER been intended, nor should they be construed, as personal criticisms or attacks. In the vast majority of cases, I did not even know who the bidder was. And that was the case in point --- I did not know the the true identity of eBay user "sonicvisionltd" until that information was -- inappropriately -- posted to this forum. (And, indeed, to that end, to protect that person's privacy I have edited the name out of Prudence's posting. Please excuse the censorship but it's the best thing to do for all concerned.)

Furthermore, I have never had the pleasure of meeting "sonicvisionltd," have not even exchanged so much as an email with him. So my remarks were, again, not "ad hominum" attacks, nor slander, nor any of the other charges that Prudence has, in haste I feel, brought against me in the Court of Public Opinion.

Indeed, my sole reason in this instance for even bringing the matter up was because it did APPEAR that the eBay user in question DID have some pattern of high bidding and then not paying. And, as I said, I have heard that comment from more sources than just looking on eBay. I did not just make this up. This matter has been discussed at great lengths in other forums, and I have gotten private emails from people indicating that this was the point.

So, once again, my reason for saying something was purely a good-will effort on behalf of club members and fellow collectors, to alert them to the fact that apparently there was a person in our midst who was up-bidding auctions and then dropping the ball.

Let me now, please, for the record, extend a sincere and heartfelt apology to "sonicvisionltd" since he clearly has been wrongly accused. Again, I was merely going on information from other people.

Just wanted to set the record straight on this before further unfair accusations were levied against me!

I totally agree with Priscilla that this sort of thing, overall, is detrimental to the club at large. Again, I apologize deeply and profusely for any hard feelings or comments made out of hand. Again, I was merely (a) marveling at the incredible big-dollar auctions on eBay, and (b) advising collectors of what did SEEM to be a potential area of trouble.

Blessings to you all, and now --- GO VACUUM!!! :)

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 17:35:49 (MDT)

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Being new to the group, I thought I might tap the resources of your collective knowledge bank!

In my on-going quest to acquire all the major 'food groups', today's athletic Fed-ex driver delivered a rather nice, though not flawless Compact C-2, complete with original cord & plug, but sadly more brittle than the rock candy of my youth! Replacing the cord, of course, is no biggie. (Though choosing just the right cord and color will take some thought!)

But I do have two questions directly related, not so much to the dis-assembly, but more to the reassembly! Once the original seal(s) have been 'broken' (casing halves AND the motor seal), will this machine ever be fully air (vacuum) -tight again? It seems in my youth I took apart some tank that never really had a solid seal again, the design being nothing like a Lux.

My second question really pertains to the motor. While it runs well, there seems to be a definite singing or growl in the bearings. Can oil be introduced to the bearings of this motor and expect it to live to vacuum another rug, car, or dog? If so, what is the best way to do this?Any expertise will definitely be apprecited!

Rick :)

Rick Benedikt
USA - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 16:31:36 (MDT)

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Per Prudence McCullough's thoughtful and well-written post, I must note that I never identified "sonicvisionltd" by name ---- only by ebay username which is a matter of public record. Anyone who can go onto eBay can see who bids on what.

It was the anonymous poster who revealed the person's real NAME -- which is NOT a matter of public record -- who crossed the line and, yes, the posting was deleted because of that.

As for complaining about high prices on eBay, all I can say is, if people have the "right" to bid those amounts -- which, in some cases, anyone in their right mind would have to agree has been ludicrous -- then why do I, and others, not have the right to kvetch about it?

That having been said, I would never presume to tell anyone what the can and cannot bid on eBay. But I can certainly GRIPE about it, when these insanely high bids DIRECTLY AFFECT ME.

As someone pointed out on another forum, our once fairly "secret" affinity for old sweepers has been brought out into the open, in large part because of eBay and because of people over-agressively bidding and and sniping for every single sweeper-related thing that comes along.

And that overbidding has CLEARLY set into many people's minds the perception that, suddenly, old sweepers are worth huge sums of money. Take the Pink G.E. for example -- no sooner had the dust settled on the notorious $700 specimen than someone listed another one, with a starting bid of a hundred dollars. Can you deny that one affected the other?

But back to sweeper collectors on eBay, in certain cases, some of these high bidders are people who seem to have some kind of obsessive-compulsive complex (above and beyond the "garden variety" obsessive complex that pretty much all collectors have) in that they just can't get ENOUGH.

As I pointed out in Hooverland, there are people with so much stuff hoarded in their houses that they can't even get into the bathroom to take care of bodily functions. It's at that point when, yes, I do feel some sense of entitlement to speak my mind about excessive eBay bidding. Despite having so much stuff already, they just keep bidding and bidding, bidding to incredulous heights for some stuff. Then what do they do when it arrives? Just throw it on top of the piles already towering to the ceiling, probably not even opening the box to see what it is.

I do hope that if this discussion continues in our Forum that it can remain calm, civil and polite. There has been enough pot-stirring in other forums. We don't need it here as well. For myself, since I seem to have been the one to have caused the controversy at hand, I'll say no more about it. I've more than stated my position on this matter and feel that it's not necessary to defend my thoughts any further.

Thanks for listening.

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 14:24:44 (MDT)

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Mr. Watrous, anything you take on will be a stunning success, right coast or left coast, airborne or grounded. Since you've said the "e" word, I'm going to pick up the topic in a less lighthearted vein and post a few thoughts on that and related issues, to fellow club members, below.

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VCCCers,

I'm very bothered by something that's been going on in this forum that I believe is unethical and counter to the whole spirit and purpose of the club. I'm going to spell it out largely to lodge it as a complaint, and also to see whether anyone else perceives it as a problem, and would like things to change. If I'm out of step with the majority on this, it's not a problem--I can always take my crevice tool and play elsewhere, and the people who know me already accept me for the cranky wretch I can be. That said...

Regarding Charlie Lester's two-color bold-face reminder below about "anonymous" postings, the only one I've seen recently was a statement by a "John Doe" that identifes eBayer "sonicvisionltd," the person who'd been mentioned by Lester in a prior post, as [name deleted by moderator]. It appears that John Doe's message has been deleted.

Charlie Lester's comments about "sonicvisionltd" can be found in the April archived thread and include this statement, regarding the bidding on the now-legendary $700 GE sold on eBay: "But if you look at the feedback for one of the bidders, 'sonicvisionltd,' that person has had a pattern of jacking up bids on stuff and then not paying for the auctions he's won -- has gotten 2 negative feedbacks for that, and I have heard other people complaining about him as well."

Fact: "sonicvisionltd" appears to have had a bad experience with one seller, who left him 2 negs, to 146 positives. The seller who negged him has 5 negs himself. The fact that "sonicvisionltd" seems to have had a troubled transaction with one seller does not constitute a "pattern" of anything, and Lester's revelation that "I have heard other people complaining about him as well" speaks ill of no one but Charlie Lester.

The place for complaints about eBayers is Safe Harbor, not the forum. Bear in mind that beyond reflecting a phenomenal lack of discretion, making malicious, defamatory, and libelous statements about others violates the TOS of our site provider and can jeopardize the future of this website, which is owned by the VCCC and registered under the name of the treasurer.

Apart from that, I cannot believe that I am the only VCCC member who objects to the bullying and badgering we're subjected to here on the topic of eBay. Without exaggeration, we read that we're bad if we bid high on eBay, we're bad if we set high (market!) prices, we're "greedy" if we snipe, etc., etc. These pronouncements and condemnations are reversed on a dime when it suits the whims of the person making them. There's a word for that, and it's "hypocrisy." This is not in keeping with the the club I thought I joined. I was alarmed when Lester decreed months ago that we could not mention great (ongoing) eBay finds in the forum, and especially that he came down hard on a new member. That ban violates the kind and sharing spirit that characterizes MOST of exchanges between VCCC members. I firmly believe that prohibiting speech that harms no one should have to meet a higher standard than one person's contention that people "should take the time to learn -- how to use eBay's search function." I also believe that posting policy should be set by the VCCC board and/or a consensus of its members, not a sysop or any one individual who happens to have admin access. Don't you?

The browbeating has gotten so entrenched here that a collector--the person who bought the now-infamous $700 GE on eBay--has to be "defended" by another member for simply buying a vacuum cleaner. Why, in a forum for VACUUM CLEANER COLLECTORS, is the very act of acquiring machines and vacuum ephemera subjected to what is often malicious scrutiny and criticism? I don't know why no one protests, but if you think it's not that big a deal, consider one of its effects: Ever since I started reading the forum and saw what was done to buyers who displease the Price Police by having the audacity to pay more than thrift-shop rates for vacs, I've been very careful to avoid bidding on any items sold by a VCCC member, or even a seller who appears to be a collector and COULD be a member. I doubt I'm alone in this, so those of you who've been indulging your "pet peeves" in complaining about eBayers are doing it at the expense of every vintage vac dealer on eBay. Comfort yourself with the thought that you HAVE been holding prices down, but don't expect kudos from VCCC sellers for doing it.

Addressing the price issue, the truth is that an increasing number of people want old vacuum cleaners and are willing to pay for them. It doesn't take an MBA to know that unless an enormous cache of machines floods the market, it's very likely that inflation will continue, at least in the short term. If you want to lower prices, stop harassing collectors and interfering with free trade, and start emptying those storage rooms, garages, and barns. Some of the loudest complainers here have the biggest vac hordes, so we should see an immediate market correction if even a few of them put their Hoovers where their mouths are. And nothing over a no-reserve $9.99 starting bid, please. Fair's fair.

Prudence McCullough
Lewisburg, PA USA - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 14:02:32 (MDT)

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Dear members/forum:

First, thank you Michael for alerting the vacuum community at large of my "Motherboard" demise. However, since there are deadlines for the newsletter, I have taken to using the Library and UPS Store computers to get articles off to Louis by deadline. (PS--it was not a Sidekick, but a Disturbulator)

Also, I had heard that the continuing fracas about ebay soldiers on so I had to check things out myself one way or another!

Anyway, I will be computerless for a couple of weeks but able to check things on occasion. Most of you that need to get a hold of me know how to.......

Back to ebay--do you think I could start an east coast version of it? After all, ebay really is short for "east bay" in northern California named by it's owner. How about "tarheel" auction website?

Just a thought. I would like to quit flying one of these days you know.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 12:30:17 (MDT)

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I am looking for a metal handle for my Kirby Classic III. I am also looking for the Miracle had for that model.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co �USA - Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 21:15:42 (MDT)

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YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE:

Club members are hereby reminded that per Forum Guidelines, all participants MUST submit their REAL NAME and a VALID EMAIL address on all postings to this forum. Anonymous postings will not be tolerated. They will be deleted, and the offender may face expulsion from this Forum. (Yes, we can easily figure out who the culprit is.)

The Guidelines clearly state that those who fail to follow them TO THE LETTER may have their access to the forum suspended.

The Guidelines were put in place, and are actively enforced, in order to keep this forum free of the B.S. from infiltrators and trouble-makers that have infected, disrupted, and even closed down other forums.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 21:23:54 (MDT)

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Charlie - Since you quoted a famous Hollywood star, I will do the same since I lived out there for 21 years. It is one of my favorites and a line that I live by from "Mommy Dearest". "Who said life was fair?" As I always say - It ain't.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 20:00:02 (MDT)

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Mike,

I have to come to Teresa"s defense about the 700.00 Pink GE, IF this one certain person would have left well enough alone she would have gotten it around 430.00.

Keep in mind that he has bidded on several high dollar auctions and backed out of paying. In fact one of our members put up on a ebay a kirby model 515 and he won that auction and back out.

About Ebay:

IF you look hard enough like I do, you can get some real bargins still. Sunday I won a very rare Colbumbia vac-buffer for 50.00. Jimmy Martin told me that this machine is a very sought after item and a rare one at that. It was made in england but does have the american plug.

Again Like I said a few months ago when I won the bugeye. The seller listed it in the wrong catagory. I have a system set up to where I can find any vacuum, buffer, Mixer when it's listed in the wrong catagory.

IF any of you would like to see the vac-buffer I won IT's Item # 3289242395. It really looks to be in mint condition used very little I think. The seller said it was from the 1920's but Jimmy told me probably late 40's to early 50's.

I won't be able to go to the convention this year but hope all of you'll have a blast and really enjoy yourselves and that you'll get some good bargins too

Happy vacuuming Skip....

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, LA USA - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 16:11:18 (MDT)

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To all british vac lovers, @ a rummage sale, i found an absolutly perfect, if not new, "Charles" canister cleaner

w/ all tools. it's so powerful!!! i paid a whole

$15.00! though it isn't old @all , i think its cool.

Ben C.

ps. its the one w/ the happy face on the front!

Ben Clayton
Ewing, NJ �USA - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 07:06:03 (MDT)

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To all british vac lovers,

@ a rummage sale, i found an absolutly perfect, if not new,

Ben Clayton
Ewing, NJ USA - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 07:04:41 (MDT)

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Fred, thanks for your comments about "eBay Fever." I do know -- exactly -- what you mean. This last case of it, however, was the worst for me. I often see things I'd really love to have but, knowing there are so many other people with far deeper pockets than mine, (not complaining, just observing -- we all have some area of lack or shortcoming - mine just seems to be, chronically, income) ---- so I don't usually get my hopes up to high. But this bag was something special. We'll just see how it goes ------ meanwhile, "Thanks for commiseratin'" as Mae West would say!

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, May 03, 2004 at 20:35:59 (MDT)

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I think that eBay is totally out-of-control. I have never seen so many people who have absolutly no concept of fare value. I realize the we are at the mercy of those that have the money and don't care. But they are setting new stardards, that I hope fizzle out soon. Lets get back to a resonable price range for vintage vacs.

If that lady in NJ want to become a member we should probably tell her the the club membship this year and just for her is a reduced rate of $700.01.

Till Next Time

Michael
New York, NY �USA - Monday, May 03, 2004 at 11:39:10 (MDT)

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BREANKING NEWS!

This news comes to you via Charlotte, North Carolina: Our illustrious Club President (not being a techno janitor) has blown out the �Mother Board� in his computer. Therefore rendering him �Computerless�

I believe he mention in his voice mail to me, that he was trying to clean the board with his Electrolux Sidekick! Hmmm, wonder why he just didn�t use the dusting brush?

Please do not attempt to send him an email until further notices.

Now on to our next story��..

Michael
New York, NY USA - Monday, May 03, 2004 at 07:36:28 (MDT)

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Hello again-

In re-reading my (initial) posting about collecting, and more to the point, acquiring a Hoover 51 or 53, I hope to clarify that it was not my intention to give the impression that I am hoping for a gift, but rather to find someone willing to part with (read sell) one of these unique machines. I have already heard from one generous member, but again, although I would be thrilled to eventually acquire both models,I am happy to pay for such a machine. I look forward to hearing from collectors in general, too!

Best regards,

Rick :)

Rick Benedikt
Orange Curtain!,, CA USA - Sunday, May 02, 2004 at 14:47:52 (MDT)

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Hi, Everyone

I just picked up a lux model 1205, It has no # on the bottom front wheel and it has a sticker on the doortop . (not raised lettering like the other 1205 i have. ) differant years. I also have a Eureka blue 4 ft. original hose with a straight 6 in. metal end, was this hose sold separatly for the eureka princess -

Any info would help.

Thanks, Russ

Russ
Ma. USA - Sunday, May 02, 2004 at 14:47:12 (MDT)

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Caryl McCain!

Eureka! They're here! The bags arrived today! Thank you so much! My vacuums are HAPPY! See you in Chicago!

Anyone want to help a fellow American down on his luck? I an looking for a headlamp lens cover for a Hoover convertible 69. Can anyone help me? Charlie Watrous, are you using yours? (kidding)

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 22:28:48 (MDT)

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Hi, all-

Yep, I am the (a) new kid on the block, but not to vacuum collecting, just to openly admitting it, and to be part of a gret club. But it was time I came out again, anyway. For those of you in either a generous or an entrepreneurial mood, I am actively seeking a nice Hoover Areo-dyne, particularly a 51 or 53, if I have my numbers correct! So I would be especially interested in hearing from anyone that might be open to parting with such a machine!

I, myself, have been acquiring from about the age of 6, a Premier Pick-up being my first acquisition. Many have followed, but few of those remain as "the P's " were less enthused than I, and pesky interrunptions like college and mrelocating got in the way. However, I have begun again with renewed interest. I am over 6 now! I am sorry to have to miss the Chicago convention but hope to attend the next.

Rick :)

Rick Benedikt
USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 21:48:39 (MDT)

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Looking for an early 20's Premier Duplex upright vacuum in good to very good condition. This is the model (pre-1927 I believe) that has the front wheels on the outside of the nozzle housing and the on/off switch is in the END of the handle rather than along the upper shaft.

If anyone has one of these machines or knows of one that is available please contact David Olsen at dav36@earthlink.net

Thanks

Dave
Tigard, OR USA - Friday, April 30, 2004 at 01:34:33 (MDT)

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Dear Members:

Well based on what I have seen re: ebay and the emails I have received re: ebay and vacuums I can only sit back and shake my head! (I am considering putting myself on ebay with all my old vacs as a package deal and starting the biddng at a reasonable $9.99, no reserve! And no smart comments please!)

Back to business, just a reminder folks that if you are planning to attend the convention in Chicago, (June 17-20), and have not registered, the registration fee is still $40 until May 15th when is GOES UP to $45. The 15th of May is 16, (SIXTEEN), days away!

All attendees will need to sign in at the door so we can check their payment status and to see if anyone owes the club a $5 late fee. PLEASE HAVE YOUR ENVELOPE POSTMARKED BY OR BEFORE MAY 15TH TO QUALIFY FOR THE LOWER RATE.

We don't want to seem to regulated or controlling but the club size dictates a system of checks and balances.

If you need registration information, contact Louis Rescigno at Lres1@aol.com. Fees should be sent to David Olsen, VCCC Treasurer, 10445 SW Greenleaf Terrace, Tigard, OR, 97224. You must also have paid your 2004 membership fee to attend. Also, this will be checked at the door.

Please see your last newsletter for FAQ's, (Frequently Asked Questions) before emailing any Board Members with questions.

I hope to see many of you there as we have a very nice convention planned for you with some great events in addition to the usual proceedings.

Best wishes and don't blow it all on ebay! At the convention there will be vacs for Buy/Sell?trade as well as misc. parts and supplies from our members.

Similar information will be sent to all members with email shortly.

See you in June!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, April 29, 2004 at 07:50:39 (MDT)

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Well Charlie � It appears that you have succumbed to the condition that I refer to as �Ebay Fever�. I think that I will submit it to the American Academy of Psychiatrists to classify as a new condition. God seems to work in mysterious ways and has had you experience what many do when they lose consciousness and sanity and bid to the death for an item on Ebay. This activity is strictly driven by emotion and not by reason. Your comments of late regarding why people bid the prices they do are strictly driven by emotion and nostalgia and you have just experienced it. That pink GE might have been owned by the buyer�s mother or aunt and the nostalgia drive is so great that someone will pay a very high price for an item that someone else would ignore. Having done it myself a few times, I truly believe that emotion takes over, reason is left behind and one is driven to �have to have it� at any cost. If I had children, I can imagine in that driven haze in the last few minutes of bidding thinking � �Oh well, Johnnie doesn�t have to go to Harvard, Illinois State will do just fine.� Who hasn�t woken up in the morning to go out into the living room or wherever, found something that you have just purchased and said �What have I done?�

Among other things that I indulge myself with are vintage major home appliances. Vintage Maytag washers and KitchenAid dishwashers. A few months ago, a brand-new-in-the-box 1976 KitchenAid Superba dishwasher with a stainless steel front came onto Ebay. I knew I was in deep trouble in that I was going to bid to whatever it took to get that machine. It was strictly emotional. I had bought one new in 1976 when I moved in with my partner. I have always loved those machines and feel that the KDS-17 was the best. I recently bought a used one off of Ebay before out of Palm Springs in good shape and have in installed in my Kitchen, but a brand new one in the box, surely I had died and gone to heaven! Well, someone else wanted it, contacted the seller, offered a great deal of money and the seller withdrew the auction and sold it to the other party. I was so upset; I was ready to call Guido to do a special job for me involving cement overshoes. (This is Chicago, after all). I still haven�t recovered. It�s amazing what we will do (including sniping) to get something we want.

I could go into a technical explanation of economics and market forces and how Ebay creates a more efficient market which truly sets what a �market price� (the price that a willing selling is willing to sell to a willing buyer) is. The fact of the matter is that most of these high dollar purchases are emotional and that there is no rational explanation for them. To tell the truth, I nearly fell off my chair this morning when reading your post. Having been there, I knew exactly how you felt. Anyway, look at it this way � you can use the money you saved not getting that Kirby bag for a ticket to Chicago and join us at the convention. You will get a chance to see the Hoover 53 Aero-Dyne I bought in a fit of emotion (and don�t regret for a second) off of Ebay as well as all the other toys.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 14:58:29 (MDT)

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To Joe Falsetta:

I tried writing to you about a Gold/green color Rexair model D that I got from Goodwill - with the word Rainbow painted on it.

I wrote to the email address I have for you:

sonicvisionltd@aol.com

but it came back as undeliverable. Do you have another email address?

You've said that you pay big bucks for these kinds of things: so before I put it on ebay I wanted to give you a shot at it.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Wednesday, April 28, 2004 at 07:28:49 (MDT)

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Well, a new and shocking high -- or low?! -- has been reached on eBay, and I, I am ashamed to say, had a part in it.

Up for auction was what the seller described as a "1950 fabric bag new in the package." See auction number 2396109770.

The seller is incorrect -- it is NOT a "510" bag but actually an after-market replacement bag introduced in the late 1950s and available until at least the mid-late 1970s. I remember seeing a box of them in the Kirby dealership (where I worked as a "body buffer") as late as 1976.

That logo pattern (where the K and Y of "Kirby" meet in a long point down the front of the bag), on that fabric (gray corduroy with a "streaky" silver silkscreen overprinting), was never original to any Kirby machine. (Over the years, Kirby has had a variety of special after-market replacement bags -- this was just one of several different varieties.)

The two models that did use that "long-pointy" logo, the 514 and 515, both had plain gray corduroy bags. Furthermore, the later 500-series Kirbys, with the textured-silver pattern overprinted on the bags, only had the plain "Kirby in a Circle" logo.

The reason -I- wanted that bag so badly was because when I was a little boy, my beloved aunt had an old 505 that had been dealer-rebuilt -- so it had that bag on it, along with all-new red trim, and gray wheels and cord.

I have been looking for one of those bags for almost 30 years. Stupidly, I did not buy any of them from the Kirby dealer when I could have gotten them because he wanted too much for them, I felt. I have not seen another one since the 1970s. I have found a couple of the plain-gray fabric types, but none like this one.

When I saw one "brand new" on eBay, yes, I just about "s#!t myself."

I placed a fairly early bid on it, and then, wanting to "clinch" the deal because I really, reeeeeally did want that bag, I also placed a last-minute snipe on it, at a ridiculously high amount that I just KNEW no one else would be foolish enough to top, just to ensure that I'd win the snipe.

{{{*WRONG*!!!}}}

Welllllll ..... Guess I'll have to keep looking. Such is life. *sigh*

BECAUSE, apparently someone else surely must have really wanted it as well. Even more than I did. I never could have imagined. (I don't know who "electrohygiene" is, but I hate her.)

That's pretty disturbing -- that someone else would get as crazed as I did over a SWEEPER BAG. On many counts.

Not the least of which is that I feel quite foolish being willing, potentially, to spend that much money for - can we say it again - a BAG. And that I would do something that I regularly rail against others for doing -- sniping. (But, I must say, I guess sniping once or twice a year is not as bad as doing it on every sweeper-related thing that comes along, as some of us tend to do.)

And no, to those who may be wondering ... I did not suddenly come into money or find a rich sugar-whatever. I certainly did not have the kind of money to spend that I put down. I just really didn't think anyone else would bid THAT high ... on a BAG. Guess I misjudged the lengths people will go to to get stuff they want...

God Help Me!!

P.S.: I do have two brand-new-in-the-package, VERY EARLY Kirby bags -- jet black with orange and gold overprinting. These were original to some of the earliest Kirby models up through the 505 (1945). There was just ONE earlier version of the Kirby bag, where the gold circle that the "Kirby" logo was enclosed in was solid; whereas with the next version, the circle was hollow.

Wonder how much THOSE bags would bring on eBay... I had been saving them for when I get around to restoring my two very-rare Kirbys - including a 2-R (early 1930s "retail" model with switch in the handle), but.......

Hmmmmmmm... Wonder if "electrohygiene" might want to trade a gray aftermarket bag for a black, mint-condition original bag........

Oh, the pain, the pain.......................

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 23:55:12 (MDT)

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Skip

Hopefully the $700.00 GE was just a fluke and that the rest of us have enough sense not to fall under that spell and bid on any of the other two swivel tops on ebay right now. $99.00!! and buy it now for $250.00??? Starting bid $150.00?? Good grief!!

Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 22:08:08 (MDT)

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To All Members:

The winning bidder of the salmon colored GE is a 50 yr old Lady from New jersey. She is planning to join our club.

She has a total of 10 vacuums in her collection and GE is her favorite one to collect.

In Talking with her she seems to be a real nice person, but myself I would have never paid that much for any vacuum.

The bad thing now about ebay is the selles see how high these people are paying and therefore now they are starting there bids at 99.99 to 150.00 now.

It seems like now it will be impossible to buy any vintage vacuum for a fair price now.

But here lately I have managed to get some for a very decent winning bid.

In fact I just won a vintage Atlas red canister for 9.99 no one bidded on it but me, that was luck. If any of you have any extra attachments for the REd Atlas I will buy them from you as minbe just has the floor brush with it.

Happy vacuuming

Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 at 16:17:11 (MDT)

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Judging from the buzz in my in-box, I guess people have pretty much gotten the word on the $700 pink G.E. on eBay (2395418996).

It's a head-shaker all right, and indeed may be a record-setter for the highest bid on a canister sweeper.

But if you look at the feedback for one of the bidders, "sonicvisionltd," that person has had a pattern of jacking up bids on stuff and then not paying for the auctions he's won -- has gotten 2 negative feedbacks for that, and I have heard other people complaining about him as well.

I don't know who the other big bidder is, "harleyuki." Have not had any dealings with him or her.

All in all, I smell a rat anyway you look at it. There's just no way someone would consider that machine worth that kind of money, even in the relatively nice condition it's in (big flaw -- replacement cord). If it was brand new in the box, MAAAAYBE I could see it.

Truly amazing.

Maybe my dad's prophesy will come true after all -- he said, "One of these days, you're gonna get rich with all this stuff, and you'll be laughing all the way to the bank at all the people who have been making fun of you."

Only time will tell...

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, April 26, 2004 at 20:55:47 (MDT)

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Hi,

That was a Regina , not a Regins canister. Just had a thought! Would a Sunbeam Courier bag work?

Thanks, Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 16:12:28 (MDT)

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Hi,

I just found a Regins canister from the 70's. Model V497A It has the three pushbutton power selection buttons on top. The hose is also offset to the side in the handle at the frony of the machine. Does anyone have a extra bag or package of bags that they can sell? I'm also looking for the attachments: duster, upholstery nozzle and crevice tool. They would be white with the Regina logo on them ( the two L's the stand back to back) Thanks, Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 16:08:30 (MDT)

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Hi,

Does anyone have an original bag for a 519 or a Sanitronic model? It doesnt have to be perfect or anything...I just want the two machines to be as original as possible. Does anyone also have any extra saniemtors for a sanitronic? Thanks, Just email me if you have something to sell!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Sunday, April 25, 2004 at 11:15:10 (MDT)

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To all kitchen mixer collecters,

this has nothing to do w/ vacuum cleaners, but

I just found a "Magic - Maid" red stand mixer!

does N-E one know N-E thing about it? if so,

let me know.

T.T.Y.L.

Ben C.

ben clayton
ewing, nj USA - Friday, April 23, 2004 at 05:44:45 (MDT)

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Charlie,

I have that model 69 handle you're looking for, complete with HOOVER embossed grip. Email me at the above address, and we'll get you your handle.

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, April 22, 2004 at 21:48:45 (MDT)

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Members:

Would anyone happen to have a Hoover 2-piece handle in "Pearl White", (or a similar color), that has the spring clip for bag attachment for sale or trade? I just snapped the SECOND one on my Hoover 69 and would like to replace it without buying a complete machine. (I already did that to get the handle that cracked today)!

If you only have a complete machine or one that you are parting out, please let me know as I am trying to keep the 69 original. Thanks.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 at 15:22:55 (MDT)

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Hi Ben:

Yesterday Sunday April 18,2004, You turned the big 16 So HAPPY BIRTHDAY And hope you had a great day. How many vacuums did you get? I'm not sending you a vac for your Birthday but will send you the Bags I promised you.

Well Ben hope you have many many more and that you get tons of vacuums down the road.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Ben ( SWEET SIXTEEN)

Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Monday, April 19, 2004 at 21:34:39 (MDT)

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Charlie,

I will take you up on those Air-Way parts! I was talking to Mike Rogers the other night and he asked me when I had last changed the filters on it. I couldn't remember exactly when I had, just that it was sometime shortly after I recieved the machine in October 2000. I guess that means its due for some new filters!

I will have a list of thrift stores and a few vac shops ready for you when you call.

Take care!

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, April 16, 2004 at 14:53:39 (MDT)

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Hey!

Today I was in an antique store and noticed the owner was using a Royal. Well, I took one look at the bag and of course it was so full the bag was dragging on the ground. It still suprises me how people dont notice these things!!! I also was wondering if anyone is interested in trading or buying a Eureka I cleaned up or a sanitaire that needs work. If anyone is interested please mail me.

James W.
Beaverton, MI USA - Saturday, April 10, 2004 at 21:20:32 (MDT)

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Jeff,

If you ever need parts/supplies for your Air-Way(s), I sell to club members at my cost plus shipping. I think the Air-Way is such a superior product that every home should have one.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 07:41:49 (MDT)

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Jeff,

I totally agree that some of the most effective vacuums com from "customizing" such as R. J. wrote about in the newsletter.

In Portland, OR, 3 yrs. ago at the convention we introduced the "Monster Vac" categorey just for that reason. I put the same VGIII P/N on a Rowenta Revo compact cannister that I sold on QVC and it did an amazing job. To date, I think it removed the most of the dirt mixture of any vacuum used in competition. So, I say mix and match and make the best better.

I will be in touch with you this month re: the convention and tour plans of your collection. Thanks in advance for the information that you will be sending me re: thrifting and vac stores.

Have a great weekend!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, April 09, 2004 at 07:40:08 (MDT)

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DYSON - REGINA - ROYAL

I was at my local Costco store this evening and I always have to wander down the vacuum aisle to see what they're currently carrying. To my surprise on the end of the aisle was the Dyson DC07 - I think it was the "full gear" model in silver/grey and pastel blue for $429.00. I glance quickly at the box to see what came with it and noticed that it included the bare floor tool and turbo-upholstery nozzle. That seems like the best price I've seen do far with those accessories.

I was also looking at the Royal website the other day and noticed that Regina is now one of the "Royal" brands, marketing a trio of cleaners as a single purchase; bagless upright, steamer, and hand vac. I think I've seen this trio at Home Depot.

I also got a call from my local vac shop yesterday (they're authorized Royal dealers) and they said that sales had been flat on the Royal PowerCast. Those of you who were at the Milwaukee convention last summer may remember Mike Rogers bringing one for us to check out, and what a powerful machine it was. My local dealer is willing to offer them to VCCC members for a special price, rather than sending them back to the factory. If anyone is interested, contact me at my email address bleow.

R. J.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 22:02:41 (MDT)

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Charlie,

Sometimes the best machines come from a bunch of mismatched parts!

That Hoover telescoping wand would work well, since it has the little vinyl seal on the one end, there would be minimal air leaks. It sounds like you built a nice little machine!

I've got two Kenmore Powermates from the 70's, I think 1976 and 1977, the Lady Kenmore models, two speed with the woodgrain top cansiter. I don't use them very much, but they are fun to play with. I remember them well both in the stores and in the catalogs.

I just bought the Airway enhanced powernozzle and hose for my Vita-Vac. I've had the canister for several years and never had a decent hose for it so I splurged. It does an pretty good job cleaning, but I just can't get used to a canister for cleaning carpets. I do like that it fits under the bed, and under the chair in the living room, something my Royal 2028 or Hoover Convertible will not do. The Vita-Vac also did not pass the "Jack" test, that is my dog barked and howled at the cleaner the whole time I was using it. I guess he's not impressed with canisters either...

Take care and happy cleaning!

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 21:23:18 (MDT)

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Jeff,

I talked with R. J. at great length about the brushroll. He seemed to think it was from the early/mid 1970's based on information he found in a Sear's catalogue. He did not find the machine but the paper bag number and that was in the 1974 edition I think.

I tried yesterday modifying a Bissell b/r but it still would not work with the tools and equipment that I have.

I gave up and have put on a Eureka VGIII, (originally designed for a central system), used a Hoover convertible telescoping and secured the power nozzle cord with lux exterior hose straps for a cord to a power nozzle! So, there is a bit of mismatching going on but the p/n works great with the Kenmore base machine and I can still use the orginal p/n for show purposes while using the "modified" p/n for daily effective cleaning. And, believe it or not, there is minimum leakage between connection points.

In the meantime, I'll be on the lookout for a NOS p/n for that powermate!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 08:51:07 (MDT)

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to all

I can't believe e-bay prices! i got a perfect chrome top at a yard sale for $10.00, it

has everything including P.N. & 4 qt. basin!

I recently got an electro hygene upright w/ tools & box from e-bay ,it's from the 60s. i payed a whopping $26.00 plus s&h! those are the kind of prices that should be payed on e-bay, NOT $201.00!!! whell that's my thoughts on e-bay any way.

T.T.Y.L.

Ben C.

ben clayton
ewing, nj USA - Thursday, April 08, 2004 at 06:59:40 (MDT)

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Charlie,

If the brushroller in that Kenmore powermate has non-replacable brushes, its a 1960's model. Sears used the 10" nozzle on for all the powermate machines until 1974 when the 12" models came out.

I just realized too that the brush strips used in the current Airway rugmaster would work for the older Kenmores with replaceable brushes as well.

Happy hunting!

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 20:50:42 (MDT)

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Marty,

I have had an 880 as well as other Royal models. I'm thinking the 880 might have been produced in the late 60's. I believe the 880 was a popular model and proved to be a good machine capable of going the long-run, as many seem to be in daily service. The 880 has the thumb-knob-type height adjuster rather than the step-on quick adjuster featured on more recent models. This, of course, is not gospel but hope it helps.

Bernie

Bernard Mehlbaum
Harrisburg, PA USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 20:25:24 (MDT)

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Royal 880:

Does anyone know about this model Royal? It seems to have had a long production run. I've seen older looking ones and newer style ones. I found one the other day and the serial number is A82D53154. For a 4.5 amp motor it's pretty strong!

Louis, you might know something about this.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 18:22:08 (MDT)

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Charlie Lester, You'll appreciate this. Another perfect example of idiots over bidding on eBay. A Rainbow Chrome Dome just sold for $201.00. Just last week there was a D with all original attachment in mint condition which included the box in perfect condition. That machine ended at $99.00 and well worth it. This week same machine in OKAY condition as well except there were two idiot's who continued to outbid each other until they drove the price to over $200.00.

There are at least two Ds a month. Not sure what to make of these eBay buyers that lack any knowledge of how to bid intelligently on eBay or the know the worth of vintage vacuums being sold on eBay.

Best Wishes

Michael
New York, NY USA - Wednesday, April 07, 2004 at 10:19:46 (MDT)

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Jeff,

Without measuring, I think it is a 10" brushroll and it is a wood, non-tufted, non-brushstrip type. Agreed, it was nothing that great to begin with! The belt is smooth and still available. I called Sears and gave them the model number and they said it was discontinued. It shows NLA in the ESSCO catalogue although the hose and belt is still orderable.

I think I will try one of our vac shops locally and see what b/r is similar and then try to make it work.

Anything else you have to offer is appreciated!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 19:51:21 (MDT)

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Charlie,

Which powernozzle do you have? The early early ones were 10" wide, and starting in 1974 there were 12" models. Neither one was anything spectacular to begin with.

You might want to try some new bristle strips. You should be able to get those still from Sears Service centers. Making the brush roll a double bristle will help the performance some. If you can't get brush strips from Sears, you can use Eureka Vibra-Groomer I strips. They fit pretty well.

Hope this helps some

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 17:07:11 (MDT)

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Forum/Members:

Anybody got any ideas on how to replace and upgrade a brushroll on an early 1970's Kenmore power nozzle?

The existing one is okay but now very effective on my carpet. Is there a replacement, non-original, non-Kenmore that the end caps will fit into with modification if necessary?

I would like to make the vacuum a bit more effective for daily use.

Thanks!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Tuesday, April 06, 2004 at 14:17:43 (MDT)

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Hey Gang!

Dan Brown, what a great gift with the Canadian

Lux. I have seen that one, wish I had parts to

help you out! See you at the convention?

If any one has any info on Air Way for Jan Collins, let me know too. As I am right here in

col. O. also. I will be gald to let him know!

I too, am looking for hose plus all attachments

for my 55 Air Way.

Looking forward to Chicago and seeing everyone!!

Norm Brown

Norm Brown
Col, Oh USA - Saturday, April 03, 2004 at 08:55:07 (MST)

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Dear VCCC folks,

You've been really helpful in the past helping me find parts for obscure machines. Here's a new one: a friend just gave me an Electrolux model ZB55 (Canadian) with a neat silver alligator skin finish on the body. It doesn't have any hose or attachments and none of the Electrolux hoses I have (American) fit it. Any leads would be greatly appreciated. It's a lot like a model XXX, but the cloth bad is deeper and the flat runners are wider. It has black bakelite ends while the XXX has cast aluminum.

Dan Brown
Spokane, WA USA - Friday, April 02, 2004 at 10:41:45 (MST)

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As a newbe member it's my first time here, and I'm curious about two things:

1. Any good place to see historical vacuums in the Los Angeles, Ca. area?

2. Do any members here have _really_ Old Miele vacuums, such as the melinor?

Just wondering...thanks! Nice newsletter, by the way! Kurt W.

kurt wiley
stevenson ranch, ca USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 21:21:18 (MST)

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To Marty,

You can use a model 60-64 fan on that 913, it will work just fine. I've also experimented with using a metal Convertible fan, and that will also work, just use the Convertible's belt pulley. The only real difference between the 913 original fan and the 60-64 or Convertible fan is the thickness of the aluminum.

As for belts, I've used both Eureka and Hoover belts on the machines I have(a 913 and 2 918's) from my experience, the Hoover belts give better service. Eureka belts stretch out too fast.

Hope this helps some, take care!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 20:05:38 (MST)

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Let me add my kudos to the others regarding the newsletter! Great job everyone, and very enjoyable.

Russ - I have two Gold L's and had a brand new one as well. The Gold L was made at the same time that the Super J (and perhaps the Golden J). The hose was a beautiful yellow-gold color with a blue tracer. They did not have the hose protector at the wand end (which I hate). They are verrrrrry hard to find. Usually pretty beat up from use. I am always on the lookout for them. Tania Voight, Charlie Watrous and I went vac hunting on the south side of Chicago a few weeks ago at a place that Tania knew of. This guy has a brand new Super J, brand new Olympia, brand new Compacts, and brand new Kirby Classic IIIs and Traditions. Unfortunately, the reason he still has them is that the prices he is asking are exhorbitant. Now people who know me, know that I spend freely on sweepers, but this guy was even out of my price range. An interesting trip nonetheless. BTW he also has a brand new green Bison.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Thursday, April 01, 2004 at 18:02:46 (MST)

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To Martin R-

I can only guess that the fan MIGHT still be available; your best bet might be to call before you make the hike. As far as the belt goes, others might have differing opinions, but I'd try the Eureka belt first; if it doesn't slip, then stick with it.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 22:52:52 (MST)

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RE: Newsletter

This is one of the best newletters ever!!! Louis and everyone who contributed did a great job!! I especially like the Convertible production list that Jeff sent in. I have many many Convertibles in my collection and that list is a great help.

I also enjoyed the Hoover history by Tom G. I'm a BIG Hoover fan! Thanks for comments on my scrapbook, it's getting another revision because i'm getting rid of some things.

Hey RJ!!! I'm going to get my Tri Star up to code thanks to you!!!!

Now for a vacuum question!

I found a Hoover 913 today at the thrift store. A big dirty thing with EVERY single blade on it's metal fan broken. Can i still get a fan at the Hover Factory store (we have one in San Diego) ,and will a convertible belt work or should i use a Eureka belt. Oh yeah, the fan had 12 blades on it. It also has an after market bag that i can live with. Help!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 19:29:53 (MST)

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Hi, Everyone

Just got the Newsletter, Great job ! Great info too.

I have a Gold Electrolux model L, Can anyone tell me what color hose went with it ,

Thanks Russ

Russ M.
Easton, Ma. USA - Wednesday, March 31, 2004 at 19:03:53 (MST)

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Fantastic Job Louis!! Thanks so much to you and everyone else that added articles to the newsletter. You really did an outstanding job. I have just returned form Tucson and Phoenix. Roger Le Quea, Michael Thomas, Scott Onasch, and I had a mini convention. On Saturday John Lucia joined us for a day of fun. We didn't find any treasures but sure had a lot of fun looking.

Both Roger and Michael are great hosts and it was fun to get-together.

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 22:06:47 (MST)

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Louis:

OMG!!!!!! You did such a great job on the newsletter!!!!But you didn't have to pay me for the kirby parts you know. But i did forget my wallet today when i went to work so i will consider my lunch today an you! I didn't have time to read it , just leafed through it so i'll read it soon. I'm looking foward to seeing everyone in Chicago. I will talk to you soon!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 21:50:09 (MST)

Members:

Member Jan Collins in Columbus, OH called me today and we had a great yak about Air-Ways and other vacuums. He does not have a computer so I told him I would post for him.

He is looking for, is his words: "a maroon 55 Air-way and a green 55 Air-Way". I've only seen purple and blue/green 55's and 55A's. He is also looking for other parts for the 55 models.

If any of you have extra parts or vacuums, please call him at 614.759.7888 and let him know. He is at somewhat of a disadvantage by not having access to our forum so any help will be appreciated. Thanks!

Charlie Watrous